[Rhodes22-list] The following post is Political, Religious, Educational, point of discussions, Big Al delete!

[john Belanger]

herb
  i seem to recall a little skirmish with n korean boats off their coast, there's gulf of tonkin, shooting down 707 off kimchatka, reaction by soiets to u2's, and that recon plane the chinese forced down. what i'm getting at is if a russian plane or ship showed up near our shores, we would react quickly. and not with speedboats. if the iranians had sent out a warship or any unknown vessel at night, we would not be debating it now. very dangerous.  

Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
  Absolute BULL. We would not "do the same thing." I challenge you to back 
it up. Show me one instance where we have ever rushed a Chinese, Korean, 
Russian, etc. ship with high speed boats and ignored radio hailing.

No, we don't know where the radio transmissions came from. However, were 
it me on one of those high-speed boats, and the ship was hailing me, you 
can be there'd be transmission from ME.

Unless of course, I WASN'T just "checking things out".

And I agree, we'd be better off as allies. They don't want us as allies.

john Belanger wrote:
> herb,
> when you put the shoe on the other foot, we would do the same thing, as have the chinese, koreans, russians, etc. when our ships or planes show up near their shores. complicated by narrowness of the straits of hormuz. its very dangerous in those waters but i have to emphasize one thing. we don't know where the transmission came from, as far as i have heard so far. i'm not excusing their actions. i think we were very restrained. i still say they and we would be better off as allies. if you think about it the whole situations results could have been very different if those boats had showed up at night. close call. 
>
> Herb Parsons wrote:
> What a bunch of bunk. We weren't in their waters. They didn't "send 
> someone out", they sent five high speed powerboats with full crews, and 
> there were radio transmissions that the naval ship was going to be 
> "blown up".
>
> But then, I forget; there are some people that are bound and determined 
> that no matter what this country does to defend itself, it's the wrong 
> thing.
>
> john Belanger wrote:
> 
>> the solution we seem to be going for seems to be control. i will ask the obvious question: if ships of a foriegn nation were passing close to our shores, would we not send someone out to see whats going on? would we have any shortage of volunteers? think about this: make iran an ally. its much cheaper. if iran is on our side, many problems go away. no, really, think about it. even israel would be happy. better yet, who would be unhappy? bolton?
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>
> 

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Herb Parsons
S/V O'Jure - O'Day 25
S/V Reve de Pappa - Coronado 35

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