[Rhodes22-list] Politics continued - John misleaderon W.E.B.DuBois

[Herb Parsons]

My comment about "anti-American" had nothing to do with being against 
the "policies of the current (and some prior) administraions". It had 
everything to do with the comments made. It's blatently obvious what 
you're doing, and I notice you didn't answer the questions (which is why 
I'll stick to my opinion). I'll make an effort to answer yours though.

How can you possibly know whether or not I confuse dissent with treason? 
I've said nothing on this mail list about treason. Do your capabilities 
now extend to "knowing" what I think? (I don't think so).

As for my personal responsibility - you've improperly phrased the 
question. Go back and look at the resolution that took us into this war 
(that was passed by Congress, I might add). It said nothing about 
"getting Osama bin Laden", or are you now reading President Bush's mind 
as well?

But in short, no. I do not feel any "personal responsibility".  Obeying 
orders (including, but not limited to, those by the Commander in Chief) 
is what they signed up for when they singed up. It was that way when I 
joined, it was that way no. I'll respect their sacrifice (even those 
that don't die, merely serve), I'll even ride at their funerals when 
they do pay the ultimate price. But no, I don't feel any personal 
responsibility.


Robert Skinner wrote:
> Herb - One can be against the policies of the current 
> (and some prior) administrations without being 
> anti-Anerican.  You have a nul argument there.
>
> You and many others confuse dissent and active debate 
> with treason.  This is my country, as much as it is 
> yours, and I'm stickin' to it.  
>
> And I accept some blame for voting for some lousy 
> Republican - and Democratic - politicians who have 
> acquiesced to King George's stomping on the 
> constitution with golf shoes.
>
> Doesn't your sense of personal responsibility include
> some culpability in the deaths of our nation's finest
> who have been put in harm's way as a result of Bush's
> wishful thinking about what it takes to actually get
> Osama bin Laden?
>
> /Robert
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Herb Parsons wrote:
>   
>> Is Japan a "colony"? Was that a "war of  colonization"? We were there a
>> very long time. How about Germany? We're STILL there.
>>
>> Of course they weren't. However, the use of stupid terms like "war of
>> colonization" helps the anti-America rhetoric, so it's used. More power
>> to you, but at least spare us the professions of innocence. What you're
>> doing is very obvious.
>>
>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>     
>>> Herb - I'll accept your correction on the word "infer"
>>> with thanks, but long term occupation remains effectively
>>> equal to colonization in my book.  We do need the oil,
>>> don't we?
>>>
>>> As to propaganda - Hell, Herb - don't you know a bit of
>>> satire when you hear it?
>>>
>>> /Robert
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Gotta love it when folks misuse "infer"? When one makes a statement, he
>>>> implies something. When someone hears a statement, he infers (or draws
>>>> an inference) from that statement.
>>>>
>>>> But it does sound cool, right?
>>>>
>>>> Besides, when you see us colonize something, then you can talk about a
>>>> colonial war. Otherwise, you're just spouting more propaganda.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and
>>>>>> for all." [Nikita Khrushchev , February 25, 1956 20th Congress of the
>>>>>> Communist Party]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is
>>>>>> best for society." Hillary Clinton, 1993
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> So, ED, I guess you mean to infer that social
>>>>> considerations are negligible when compared to
>>>>> individual rights.  So why are individual
>>>>> rights being made subservient to Bush's
>>>>> colonial wars?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or are you saying that the right's position is
>>>>> anti-social?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or that social costs should be subordinate to
>>>>> individual advancement?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or are you just repeating word games you have
>>>>> heard from your fellow dittoheads?
>>>>>
>>>>> /Robert
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
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>>>> Herb Parsons
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>>>> S/V Reve de Pappa - Coronado 35
>>>>
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>> Herb Parsons
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Herb Parsons
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