[Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel

[stan]

yes - every night.

never sure about Jack London's park - like going cause our kid lives in 
Santa Cruz but bringing a boat back with these gas prices !

ss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Crispel" <ccrispel at jeffnet.org>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel


> Stan:
>
> Do you plan to be at Sail Pacific in April?  If you are would love to 
> spend
> some quality time with you.
>
> Stan, it has been about two years since we chatted last.  Have you made 
> any
> improvements to the boat in the last two years.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>
>
>>I might point out that Chris is the noted skipper sailing his old Rhodes 
>>in
>> the cover  illustration of one of the latest books that they insist
>> publishing about the Rhodes.   In this book the author, who is a Catalina
>> man, waxes on to say, "From the deep blue ocean to shallow coves, the
>> Rhodes
>> covers it all.".
>>
>> ss
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Chris Crispel" <ccrispel at jeffnet.org>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>>
>>
>>> Your on!  Will give you a call tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>>>
>>>
>>>> Aw Chris,
>>>>                What a bummer, I just opened my email after a bit of a
>>>> haietus to find a felow (well potential) Rhodie right next door from
>>>> Medford
>>>> where I live.  Tell you what, I'll try to change your mind AND I buy 
>>>> the
>>>> beer at Standing Stone.   Give me a call at 857-1061 anytime after 6 
>>>> pm.
>>>> I
>>>> have a lot of sailing experience and have admitidly pushed the limits 
>>>> on
>>>> the
>>>> boat but didn't find them, well maybe that one time with the
>>>> tornado........
>>>>
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>> Medford, OR
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Chris Crispel" <ccrispel at jeffnet.org>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:44 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Robert, unfortunately it looks that way.  Not enough boat for my
>>>>> intended use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:16 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Chris, given what you have laid out as
>>>>> > requirements, and the nature and depth
>>>>> > of your objections, it appears that you
>>>>> > have ruled out the Rhodes 22.  Is that
>>>>> > the case?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > /Robert
>>>>> > ---------------------------------------
>>>>> > Chris Crispel wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi Mary Lou:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Most of the vessels that ply that country are at least 27' vessels,
>>>>> >> usually
>>>>> >> with a cutaway full keel, or a fin keel with a lot of lead in the
>>>>> >> fin.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Chris
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>>>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:46 AM
>>>>> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > Chris,
>>>>> >> > A few more thoughts.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I think Steve (Slim) makes a good distinction between two kinds 
>>>>> >> > of
>>>>> >> > sailing. Do you want a small trailerable boat with its attendant
>>>>> >> > characteristics or do you want a more solid ocean going boat that
>>>>> >> > is
>>>>> >> > less trailerable. (Most boats under 40ft. are transportable if 
>>>>> >> > you
>>>>> >> > have access to a crane (on both sides of the country) and a
>>>>> >> > flatbed.
>>>>> >> > The real consideration in my mind is how far you have to go and
>>>>> >> > likely are you to get caught out in real weather - your 
>>>>> >> > definition
>>>>> >> > but in my mind "real weather" does NOT include the passing 
>>>>> >> > squall.
>>>>> >> > If
>>>>> >> > you remember Paul Cleavenger's description of his capsize he says
>>>>> >> > that had he been able to get the bow into the wind he might have
>>>>> >> > weathered even the microburst. Note that the wave that capsized
>>>>> >> > him
>>>>> >> > built in a shallow river. I don't know the depths where you might
>>>>> >> > be
>>>>> >> > sailing but in true ocean depths waves won't build in a short
>>>>> >> > squall.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I think the question for you may be how likely are you to get
>>>>> >> > caught
>>>>> >> > out in weather systems that raise the winds above 25 knots for a
>>>>> >> > day
>>>>> >> > at a time? Wind blowing 25 knots for 24 hours or more will build
>>>>> >> > up
>>>>> >> > bigger waves than a sudden brief squall. Somewhere between 20 and
>>>>> >> > 30
>>>>> >> > knots, the Rhodes becomes less able to tack into the wind.  The
>>>>> >> > windage of the flared hull, the freeboard and rigging combine 
>>>>> >> > with
>>>>> >> > the larger waves throwing you about and it all catches up to you.
>>>>> >> > If
>>>>> >> > you are sailing on the ocean, what are the distances between you
>>>>> >> > and
>>>>> >> > a safe harbor? Would you have enough notice of a weather system
>>>>> >> > coming in to get there?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > We sail all over the Chesapeake in our Rhodes. Weather 
>>>>> >> > forecasting
>>>>> >> > and delivery of weather information is good. We can pick our
>>>>> >> > weather
>>>>> >> > windows. Safe harbors are never more than 8 hours away.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > What do folks who sail your prospective cruising grounds sail? 
>>>>> >> > Are
>>>>> >> > there boats under 30 ft? If folks are sailing newer small
>>>>> >> > Catalinas
>>>>> >> > and Hunters, they are probably not much more seaworthy than the
>>>>> >> > Rhodes.We spend a lot of time with folks with bigger boats and
>>>>> >> > while
>>>>> >> > we are perhaps more cautious where the weather is concerned (our
>>>>> >> > motto is "why get beat up if you don't have to?"), we don't miss
>>>>> >> > much. For the most part we find that when we stay in because of
>>>>> >> > the
>>>>> >> > wind and waves, our friends in Catalinas stay in as well. Some of
>>>>> >> > our
>>>>> >> > friends in Island Packets or the guy with the Heritage West 
>>>>> >> > Indies
>>>>> >> > 34
>>>>> >> > will go out in higher winds and be comfortable.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Again best of luck with your decision,
>>>>> >> > Mary Lou
>>>>> >> > 1991 R22 Fretless
>>>>> >> > Rock Hall, MD
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > At 09:48 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote:
>>>>> >> >>Steven:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>You have given sound advice.  I was just about to pack it in when
>>>>> >> >>I
>>>>> >> >>received
>>>>> >> >>your e-mail.  Of course your right and will proceed cautiously.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>Thanks Again
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>Chris
>>>>> >> >>----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> >>From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> >> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:51 AM
>>>>> >> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> > Chris,
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > I think it all depends on how you like to sail.  Obviously the
>>>>> >> >> > R22
>>>>> >> >> > is
>>>>> >> >> > much
>>>>> >> >> > more tender than a full keel boat like the Dana, Flicka, Cape
>>>> Dory,
>>>>> >> >> > whatever, but I've been caught in high winds and have been way
>>>>> >> >> > over-powered
>>>>> >> >> > and dunked my rails and shipped water into the cockpit many
>>>>> >> >> > times.
>>>>> >> >> > If
>>>>> >> >> > you
>>>>> >> >> > don't mind riding a spirited horse then you'll be fine.  The
>>>>> >> >> > boat
>>>> is
>>>>> >> >> > seaworthy as hell but in high winds, you're in for some "X
>>>> sailing."
>>>>> >> >> > Secure
>>>>> >> >> > your gear and sail her like a laser.  I'm fine with that and
>>>>> >> >> > the
>>>>> >> >> > boat's
>>>>> >> >> > fine
>>>>> >> >> > with that, but the Mrs. doesn't like it that much.  Therein
>>>>> >> >> > lies
>>>> the
>>>>> >> >> > question:  What does the Mrs. want?  I've finally learned to
>>>>> >> >> > reef
>>>>> >> >> > way
>>>>> >> >> > the
>>>>> >> >> > hell in and sail upright in high winds and keep the crew happy
>>>>> >> >> > and
>>>>> >> >> > safe.
>>>>> >> >> > This is the beauty of the Rhodes IMF with furling
>>>>> >> >> > Genny--infinite
>>>>> >> >> > reefing
>>>>> >> >> > capabilities.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > That said, the highest wind you can comfortably sail the R22 
>>>>> >> >> > in
>>>>> >> >> > is
>>>>> >> >> > about
>>>>> >> >> > 27.  Beyond that the hull has too much windage to tack about.
>>>>> >> >> > In
>>>>> >> >> > that
>>>>> >> >> > case
>>>>> >> >> > you have to jibe about, but you can still make way.  And if
>>>>> >> >> > you're
>>>>> >> >> > going
>>>>> >> >> > downwind, you'll be a happy guy!
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > As for toughness, the R22 has 9 stays--each with it's own
>>>>> >> >> > chainplate.
>>>>> >> >> > You
>>>>> >> >> > could lose any two and the mast would still stand.
>>>> Ummm...probably.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > You said you are enamored by the Rhodes (as well you should 
>>>>> >> >> > be)
>>>> for
>>>>> >> >> > her
>>>>> >> >> > many
>>>>> >> >> > great features.  You said you want to explore the 
>>>>> >> >> > islands--with
>>>> the
>>>>> >> >> > combination keel of the Rhodes you can easily beach your boat
>>>>> >> >> > on
>>>>> >> >> > those
>>>>> >> >> > islands.  You certainly can't do that with a full keel.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > You're an experienced sailor and you know big WX can f**k you
>>>>> >> >> > up
>>>> no
>>>>> >> >> > matter
>>>>> >> >> > what boat you're on.  Examine your needs and wants and ask 
>>>>> >> >> > more
>>>>> >> >> > questions
>>>>> >> >> > here.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > Re Panama, the San Blas are on the Caribbean side which is far
>>>> more
>>>>> >> >> > calm
>>>>> >> >> > than the Pacific.  I think you'd be fine with the R22.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > Slim
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > On Jan 23, 2008 12:50 AM, john Belanger <jhnblngr at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >> i have to ask a question. why are you buying a boat here and
>>>> taking
>>>>> >> >> >> it
>>>>> >> >> >> to
>>>>> >> >> >> panama? are you sailing it to panama, shipping it or driving
>>>>> >> >> >> down
>>>>> >> >> >> with
>>>>> >> >> >> it
>>>>> >> >> >> on
>>>>> >> >> >> a trailer?  i may have missed part of your explanation,
>>>>> >> >> >> somewhere
>>>> .
>>>>> >> >> >> sorry,
>>>>> >> >> >> i
>>>>> >> >> >> just don't get it. are you going to be on the atlantic  or
>>>> pacific
>>>>> >> >> >> side?
>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> Chris Crispel <ccrispel at jeffnet.org> wrote:  You mean like a
>>>>> >> >> >> larger,
>>>>> >> >> >> heavier boat with a diesel engine and prop (under
>>>>> >> >> >> the hull)
>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> thanks, you and others are helping me make a decision.
>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> Chris
>>>>> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> >> >> From: "Just bent"
>>>>> >> >> >> To:
>>>>> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:10 PM
>>>>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >> > Chris,
>>>>> >> >> >> > I have not been sailing long but I have been out in some 
>>>>> >> >> >> > big
>>>>> >> >> >> > weather
>>>>> >> >> >> > in
>>>>> >> >> >> my
>>>>> >> >> >> > R22, (on a lake) and the one thing that was a problem for 
>>>>> >> >> >> > me
>>>> was
>>>>> >> >> >> > the
>>>>> >> >> >> motor
>>>>> >> >> >> > hanging off the back of the boat. I was rolling so much the
>>>> prop
>>>>> >> >> >> > would
>>>>> >> >> >> > come
>>>>> >> >> >> > out of the water. I remember thinking it might be better if
>>>>> >> >> >> > the
>>>>> >> >> >> > prop
>>>>> >> >> >> > was
>>>>> >> >> >> > under the boat.
>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >> > Jb
>>>>> >> >> >> > Just bent
>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >> > Chris Crispel wrote:
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >> Hi Tootle:
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >> I'm here on "the list" because I have been taken with the
>>>> Rhodes
>>>>> >> >> >> >> 22
>>>>> >> >> >> >> but
>>>>> >> >> >> >> have
>>>>> >> >> >> >> a major question that needs to be put to the members of
>>>>> >> >> >> >> 'the
>>>>> >> >> >> >> list".
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >> My wife and I will be moving to the Republic of Panama to
>>>>> >> >> >> >> make
>>>>> >> >> >> >> it
>>>>> >> >> >> >> our
>>>>> >> >> >> >> future
>>>>> >> >> >> >> home. As you may know, there are no bays (to speak of) or
>>>> lakes,
>>>>> >> >> >> >> just
>>>>> >> >> >> >> the
>>>>> >> >> >> >> ocean. My question is multifaceted- have any of you sailed
>>>>> >> >> >> >> offshore
>>>>> >> >> >> >> in
>>>>> >> >> >> >> the
>>>>> >> >> >> >> Rhodes?, how does she handle ocean swells, what 
>>>>> >> >> >> >> adjustments
>>>>> >> >> >> >> (modifications)
>>>>> >> >> >> >> would you make to increase safety and comfort aboard. Yes,
>>>>> >> >> >> >> I
>>>> do
>>>>> >> >> >> >> know
>>>>> >> >> >> >> that
>>>>> >> >> >> >> one can sail in a cork, but who wants to be battered about
>>>>> >> >> >> >> in
>>>>> >> >> >> >> the
>>>>> >> >> >> ocean.
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >> I have been sailing since the age of 16 and now I'm way,
>>>>> >> >> >> >> way,
>>>>> >> >> >> >> beyond
>>>>> >> >> >> >> that.
>>>>> >> >> >> >> I am a highly experienced sailor and my common sea sense 
>>>>> >> >> >> >> is
>>>> that
>>>>> >> >> >> >> this
>>>>> >> >> >> >> vessel
>>>>> >> >> >> >> is to small and subject to being tossed about like a cork.
>>>>> >> >> >> >> So,
>>>>> >> >> >> >> please
>>>>> >> >> >> >> tell
>>>>> >> >> >> >> me that I am wrong and making to much out of this.
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >> I currently reside in Ashland, Oregon and would love to
>>>>> >> >> >> >> meet
>>>>> >> >> >> >> other
>>>>> >> >> >> owners
>>>>> >> >> >> >> and their vessels. California and Oregon are the States
>>>>> >> >> >> >> where
>>>>> >> >> >> >> that
>>>>> >> >> >> would
>>>>> >> >> >> >> be
>>>>> >> >> >> >> possible. However, if I can't meet everyone, then I will
>>>>> >> >> >> >> have
>>>> to
>>>>> >> >> >> >> be
>>>>> >> >> >> >> satisfied with "the list".
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >> Many Thanks
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >> Chris Crispel
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> >> >> >> From: "Tootle"
>>>>> >> >> >> >> To:
>>>>> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:42 AM
>>>>> >> >> >> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> Chris,
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> Welcome to the Rhodes List. Now, just who are you? And
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> where
>>>> ya
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> be?
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> And
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> why ya here?
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> Ed K
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> fishin' is like a box of chocolate.. u never no what your
>>>> gonna
>>>>> >> >> >> catch..
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> and
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> sometimes you catch nothing! Unattributed
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> --
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> View this message in context:
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> http://www.nabble.com/Chris-Crispel-tp15022481p15022481.html
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> Nabble.com.
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
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>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >> > --
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>>>>> >> >> >> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>> >> >> >> >
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