[Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel

Thu Jan 24 20:52:58 EST 2008

He stan,
    Check our February's Cruising World on page 22.  There is a picture of
the book's cover which is a picture of the Rhodes, picture that!  Kind of an
egnima, wrapped in a mystery, surounded by......
Chris da'Greek
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel


> I might point out that Chris is the noted skipper sailing his old Rhodes
in
> the cover  illustration of one of the latest books that they insist
> publishing about the Rhodes.   In this book the author, who is a Catalina
> man, waxes on to say, "From the deep blue ocean to shallow coves, the
Rhodes
> covers it all.".
>
> ss
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Crispel" <ccrispel at jeffnet.org>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>
>
> > Your on!  Will give you a call tomorrow.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
> >
> >
> >> Aw Chris,
> >>                What a bummer, I just opened my email after a bit of a
> >> haietus to find a felow (well potential) Rhodie right next door from
> >> Medford
> >> where I live.  Tell you what, I'll try to change your mind AND I buy
the
> >> beer at Standing Stone.   Give me a call at 857-1061 anytime after 6
pm.
> >> I
> >> have a lot of sailing experience and have admitidly pushed the limits
on
> >> the
> >> boat but didn't find them, well maybe that one time with the
> >> tornado........
> >>
> >> Chris Geankoplis
> >> Medford, OR
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Chris Crispel" <ccrispel at jeffnet.org>
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:44 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
> >>
> >>
> >>> Yes, Robert, unfortunately it looks that way.  Not enough boat for my
> >>> intended use.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:16 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Chris, given what you have laid out as
> >>> > requirements, and the nature and depth
> >>> > of your objections, it appears that you
> >>> > have ruled out the Rhodes 22.  Is that
> >>> > the case?
> >>> >
> >>> > /Robert
> >>> > ---------------------------------------
> >>> > Chris Crispel wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi Mary Lou:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Most of the vessels that ply that country are at least 27' vessels,
> >>> >> usually
> >>> >> with a cutaway full keel, or a fin keel with a lot of lead in the
> >>> >> fin.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thanks
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Chris
> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >> From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> >>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:46 AM
> >>> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > Chris,
> >>> >> > A few more thoughts.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I think Steve (Slim) makes a good distinction between two kinds
of
> >>> >> > sailing. Do you want a small trailerable boat with its attendant
> >>> >> > characteristics or do you want a more solid ocean going boat that
> >>> >> > is
> >>> >> > less trailerable. (Most boats under 40ft. are transportable if
you
> >>> >> > have access to a crane (on both sides of the country) and a
> >>> >> > flatbed.
> >>> >> > The real consideration in my mind is how far you have to go and
> >>> >> > likely are you to get caught out in real weather - your
definition
> >>> >> > but in my mind "real weather" does NOT include the passing
squall.
> >>> >> > If
> >>> >> > you remember Paul Cleavenger's description of his capsize he says
> >>> >> > that had he been able to get the bow into the wind he might have
> >>> >> > weathered even the microburst. Note that the wave that capsized
him
> >>> >> > built in a shallow river. I don't know the depths where you might
> >>> >> > be
> >>> >> > sailing but in true ocean depths waves won't build in a short
> >>> >> > squall.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I think the question for you may be how likely are you to get
> >>> >> > caught
> >>> >> > out in weather systems that raise the winds above 25 knots for a
> >>> >> > day
> >>> >> > at a time? Wind blowing 25 knots for 24 hours or more will build
up
> >>> >> > bigger waves than a sudden brief squall. Somewhere between 20 and
> >>> >> > 30
> >>> >> > knots, the Rhodes becomes less able to tack into the wind.  The
> >>> >> > windage of the flared hull, the freeboard and rigging combine
with
> >>> >> > the larger waves throwing you about and it all catches up to you.
> >>> >> > If
> >>> >> > you are sailing on the ocean, what are the distances between you
> >>> >> > and
> >>> >> > a safe harbor? Would you have enough notice of a weather system
> >>> >> > coming in to get there?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > We sail all over the Chesapeake in our Rhodes. Weather
forecasting
> >>> >> > and delivery of weather information is good. We can pick our
> >>> >> > weather
> >>> >> > windows. Safe harbors are never more than 8 hours away.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > What do folks who sail your prospective cruising grounds sail?
Are
> >>> >> > there boats under 30 ft? If folks are sailing newer small
Catalinas
> >>> >> > and Hunters, they are probably not much more seaworthy than the
> >>> >> > Rhodes.We spend a lot of time with folks with bigger boats and
> >>> >> > while
> >>> >> > we are perhaps more cautious where the weather is concerned (our
> >>> >> > motto is "why get beat up if you don't have to?"), we don't miss
> >>> >> > much. For the most part we find that when we stay in because of
the
> >>> >> > wind and waves, our friends in Catalinas stay in as well. Some of
> >>> >> > our
> >>> >> > friends in Island Packets or the guy with the Heritage West
Indies
> >>> >> > 34
> >>> >> > will go out in higher winds and be comfortable.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Again best of luck with your decision,
> >>> >> > Mary Lou
> >>> >> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> >>> >> > Rock Hall, MD
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > At 09:48 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote:
> >>> >> >>Steven:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>You have given sound advice.  I was just about to pack it in when
I
> >>> >> >>received
> >>> >> >>your e-mail.  Of course your right and will proceed cautiously.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>Thanks Again
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>Chris
> >>> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>> >> >>From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
> >>> >> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> >> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:51 AM
> >>> >> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> > Chris,
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > I think it all depends on how you like to sail.  Obviously the
> >>> >> >> > R22
> >>> >> >> > is
> >>> >> >> > much
> >>> >> >> > more tender than a full keel boat like the Dana, Flicka, Cape
> >> Dory,
> >>> >> >> > whatever, but I've been caught in high winds and have been way
> >>> >> >> > over-powered
> >>> >> >> > and dunked my rails and shipped water into the cockpit many
> >>> >> >> > times.
> >>> >> >> > If
> >>> >> >> > you
> >>> >> >> > don't mind riding a spirited horse then you'll be fine.  The
> >>> >> >> > boat
> >> is
> >>> >> >> > seaworthy as hell but in high winds, you're in for some "X
> >> sailing."
> >>> >> >> > Secure
> >>> >> >> > your gear and sail her like a laser.  I'm fine with that and
the
> >>> >> >> > boat's
> >>> >> >> > fine
> >>> >> >> > with that, but the Mrs. doesn't like it that much.  Therein
lies
> >> the
> >>> >> >> > question:  What does the Mrs. want?  I've finally learned to
> >>> >> >> > reef
> >>> >> >> > way
> >>> >> >> > the
> >>> >> >> > hell in and sail upright in high winds and keep the crew happy
> >>> >> >> > and
> >>> >> >> > safe.
> >>> >> >> > This is the beauty of the Rhodes IMF with furling
> >>> >> >> > Genny--infinite
> >>> >> >> > reefing
> >>> >> >> > capabilities.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > That said, the highest wind you can comfortably sail the R22
in
> >>> >> >> > is
> >>> >> >> > about
> >>> >> >> > 27.  Beyond that the hull has too much windage to tack about.
> >>> >> >> > In
> >>> >> >> > that
> >>> >> >> > case
> >>> >> >> > you have to jibe about, but you can still make way.  And if
> >>> >> >> > you're
> >>> >> >> > going
> >>> >> >> > downwind, you'll be a happy guy!
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > As for toughness, the R22 has 9 stays--each with it's own
> >>> >> >> > chainplate.
> >>> >> >> > You
> >>> >> >> > could lose any two and the mast would still stand.
> >> Ummm...probably.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > You said you are enamored by the Rhodes (as well you should
be)
> >> for
> >>> >> >> > her
> >>> >> >> > many
> >>> >> >> > great features.  You said you want to explore the
islands--with
> >> the
> >>> >> >> > combination keel of the Rhodes you can easily beach your boat
on
> >>> >> >> > those
> >>> >> >> > islands.  You certainly can't do that with a full keel.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > You're an experienced sailor and you know big WX can f**k you
up
> >> no
> >>> >> >> > matter
> >>> >> >> > what boat you're on.  Examine your needs and wants and ask
more
> >>> >> >> > questions
> >>> >> >> > here.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Re Panama, the San Blas are on the Caribbean side which is far
> >> more
> >>> >> >> > calm
> >>> >> >> > than the Pacific.  I think you'd be fine with the R22.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Slim
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > On Jan 23, 2008 12:50 AM, john Belanger <jhnblngr at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> i have to ask a question. why are you buying a boat here and
> >> taking
> >>> >> >> >> it
> >>> >> >> >> to
> >>> >> >> >> panama? are you sailing it to panama, shipping it or driving
> >>> >> >> >> down
> >>> >> >> >> with
> >>> >> >> >> it
> >>> >> >> >> on
> >>> >> >> >> a trailer?  i may have missed part of your explanation,
> >>> >> >> >> somewhere
> >> .
> >>> >> >> >> sorry,
> >>> >> >> >> i
> >>> >> >> >> just don't get it. are you going to be on the atlantic  or
> >> pacific
> >>> >> >> >> side?
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> Chris Crispel <ccrispel at jeffnet.org> wrote:  You mean like a
> >>> >> >> >> larger,
> >>> >> >> >> heavier boat with a diesel engine and prop (under
> >>> >> >> >> the hull)
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> thanks, you and others are helping me make a decision.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> Chris
> >>> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >> >> >> From: "Just bent"
> >>> >> >> >> To:
> >>> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:10 PM
> >>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > Chris,
> >>> >> >> >> > I have not been sailing long but I have been out in some
big
> >>> >> >> >> > weather
> >>> >> >> >> > in
> >>> >> >> >> my
> >>> >> >> >> > R22, (on a lake) and the one thing that was a problem for
me
> >> was
> >>> >> >> >> > the
> >>> >> >> >> motor
> >>> >> >> >> > hanging off the back of the boat. I was rolling so much the
> >> prop
> >>> >> >> >> > would
> >>> >> >> >> > come
> >>> >> >> >> > out of the water. I remember thinking it might be better if
> >>> >> >> >> > the
> >>> >> >> >> > prop
> >>> >> >> >> > was
> >>> >> >> >> > under the boat.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > Jb
> >>> >> >> >> > Just bent
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > Chris Crispel wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> Hi Tootle:
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> I'm here on "the list" because I have been taken with the
> >> Rhodes
> >>> >> >> >> >> 22
> >>> >> >> >> >> but
> >>> >> >> >> >> have
> >>> >> >> >> >> a major question that needs to be put to the members of
'the
> >>> >> >> >> >> list".
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> My wife and I will be moving to the Republic of Panama to
> >>> >> >> >> >> make
> >>> >> >> >> >> it
> >>> >> >> >> >> our
> >>> >> >> >> >> future
> >>> >> >> >> >> home. As you may know, there are no bays (to speak of) or
> >> lakes,
> >>> >> >> >> >> just
> >>> >> >> >> >> the
> >>> >> >> >> >> ocean. My question is multifaceted- have any of you sailed
> >>> >> >> >> >> offshore
> >>> >> >> >> >> in
> >>> >> >> >> >> the
> >>> >> >> >> >> Rhodes?, how does she handle ocean swells, what
adjustments
> >>> >> >> >> >> (modifications)
> >>> >> >> >> >> would you make to increase safety and comfort aboard. Yes,
I
> >> do
> >>> >> >> >> >> know
> >>> >> >> >> >> that
> >>> >> >> >> >> one can sail in a cork, but who wants to be battered about
> >>> >> >> >> >> in
> >>> >> >> >> >> the
> >>> >> >> >> ocean.
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> I have been sailing since the age of 16 and now I'm way,
> >>> >> >> >> >> way,
> >>> >> >> >> >> beyond
> >>> >> >> >> >> that.
> >>> >> >> >> >> I am a highly experienced sailor and my common sea sense
is
> >> that
> >>> >> >> >> >> this
> >>> >> >> >> >> vessel
> >>> >> >> >> >> is to small and subject to being tossed about like a cork.
> >>> >> >> >> >> So,
> >>> >> >> >> >> please
> >>> >> >> >> >> tell
> >>> >> >> >> >> me that I am wrong and making to much out of this.
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> I currently reside in Ashland, Oregon and would love to
meet
> >>> >> >> >> >> other
> >>> >> >> >> owners
> >>> >> >> >> >> and their vessels. California and Oregon are the States
> >>> >> >> >> >> where
> >>> >> >> >> >> that
> >>> >> >> >> would
> >>> >> >> >> >> be
> >>> >> >> >> >> possible. However, if I can't meet everyone, then I will
> >>> >> >> >> >> have
> >> to
> >>> >> >> >> >> be
> >>> >> >> >> >> satisfied with "the list".
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> Many Thanks
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> Chris Crispel
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >> >> >> >> From: "Tootle"
> >>> >> >> >> >> To:
> >>> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:42 AM
> >>> >> >> >> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >> >>> Chris,
> >>> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >> >>> Welcome to the Rhodes List. Now, just who are you? And
> >>> >> >> >> >>> where
> >> ya
> >>> >> >> >> >>> be?
> >>> >> >> >> >>> And
> >>> >> >> >> >>> why ya here?
> >>> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >> >>> Ed K
> >>> >> >> >> >>> Greenville, SC, USA
> >>> >> >> >> >>> fishin' is like a box of chocolate.. u never no what your
> >> gonna
> >>> >> >> >> catch..
> >>> >> >> >> >>> and
> >>> >> >> >> >>> sometimes you catch nothing! Unattributed
> >>> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >> >>> --
> >>> >> >> >> >>> View this message in context:
> >>> >> >> >> >>>
http://www.nabble.com/Chris-Crispel-tp15022481p15022481.html
> >>> >> >> >> >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at
Nabble.com.
> >>> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> >> >> >> >>> Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help?
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> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________
> >>> >> >> >> >> Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help?
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> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > --
> >>> >> >> >> > View this message in context:
> >>> >> >> >> >
http://www.nabble.com/Chris-Crispel-tp15022481p15034016.html
> >>> >> >> >> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > __________________________________________________
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> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>
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