[Rhodes22-list] Water Under V Berth? Water in side &forwardbilges; Reply...
Lou Rosenberg
lsr3 at nyu.edu
Wed Jul 2 14:11:06 EDT 2008
Andrew
I don't know if this will matter but I had a small annoying leak
through my hull / deck joint last summer. I had
to cauk it with Boatlife polyurethane sealant. At some point I want
to change my original rub rail so I used polyurethane instead of 3M
5200.
When I get the new rub rail and do more painting, I would use the
5200 on it.
just my 2 cent
Lou Rosenberg
sv Miracles
On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:31 PM, andrew collins wrote:
> Mike
>
> No, the sink drain goes directly out the hull above the waterline.
> A valve
> there sounds like a good idea.
>
> The genoa restraining tie is a practice I am adopting as of now. My
> mooring
> location is one of swirling winds and at times the south-facing
> harbor mouth
> allows the wind to come in unobstructed. Should the genoa get
> loose, there
> would be havoc as the adjacent moorings are occupied by 30-40
> footers all
> worth 10 times what mine is worth, and then there rocks.
>
> A check of the water tank showed that it did not spill much of
> anything, but
> the ball check vent on it is only a vent, no ball.
> I drilled holes laterally into the adjacent bilge compartments and
> this
> helps the drainage into the center compartment. The forward
> compartment is
> lower than the one containing the CB trunk, but the water can be
> sponged
> from there. Sitting in the back of the boat for a while brings it
> out. So
> progress is being made and all the compartments are now only damp.
>
> thanks
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Michael D. Weisner
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> The more I read about this "knock down" while moored, the more it
>> sounds
>> like water that came in the sink line and ran backwards into the
>> bilge
>> through a bilge pump with a bad check valve. Do you have a pump
>> connected
>> to the sink discharge line?
>>
>> A few years ago, the harbormaster called me to inform me that my
>> Rhodes
>> went
>> sailing without me and was heeled over with the Genoa fully
>> deployed, at
>> anchor. It seems that the Genoa unfurled and developed enough
>> force to
>> drag
>> our 200 lb. mushroom anchor out of the mud and about 500 feet!
>> When I got
>> on board, she was far enough over to starboard that the sink line
>> was in
>> the
>> water and we had taken on water through the bilge pump. A new
>> pump solved
>> that problem and I never leave her without securing 2 sail ties
>> around the
>> Genoa to prevent deployment even if the furling line breaks.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "andrew collins" <engineerpac at gmail.com>Sent: Tuesday, July
>> 01, 2008
>> 5:16 PM
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>> It was a mix of salt and fresh. My water tank has an air vent
>>> valve with
>> a
>>> little float in it, so that should have prevented the tank from
>>> emptying
>>> much. My curiosity is now piqued so I will visit the boat tonight
>>> and
>>> check
>>> the water level in the tank. Then I might have to go sailing.
>>>
>>> As mentioned, the carpet, cushions, etc were dry, so the pop top
>>> did not
>>> admit much of anything.
>>>
>>> The ports are also not suspects as the galley counter had paper
>>> and rags
>>> on
>>> it- all dry, cushions all dry. My money is on the hull deck
>>> joint, and I
>>> solemnly promise to search the archives for the caulking
>>> procedure and to
>>> change the subject line if I have anything to add after
>>> searching. Of
>>> course, I am also not going to do anything without calling Stan!
>>>
>>> Now, tell us about the time you laid her on her side ...I only
>>> ask in
>>> order
>>> to avoid doing the same. Was it a broach?
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:48 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just had another thought. The time that I laid Rum Runner over
>>>> on her
>>>> side
>>>> while under sail, water did come into the cabin over the deck.
>>>> With the
>>>> pop
>>>> top in the lower position, it could allow water to enter the
>>>> cabin. With
>>>> 80
>>>> mph winds, it could also just blow in. The pop top isn't sealed
>>>> tight
>> to
>>>> the
>>>> deck.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 7/1/2008 11:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Andrew,
>>>> Speaking from first hand experience, I can assure you that when
>>>> laid
>>>> over,
>>>> the sink drain is indeed in the water. I do not know if it
>>>> would allow
>>>> water
>>>>
>>>> into the cabin because it would depend on the height of the
>>>> sink at
>> that
>>>> angle.
>>>> My guess would be that the water came in from the hull/deck
>>>> joint. It's
>>>> an
>>>> easy thing to fix. Once again, it's been covered many times on
>>>> this
>>>> list,
>>>> but
>>>> if you can't find anything in the archives, I will be glad to
>>>> repeat
>>>> the
>>>> instructions I got from Sir Stanley.
>>>> Another source of water could be your water tank. It has an air
>>>> valve
>>>> that
>>>> could let water out when laid over. Do you know if the water in
>>>> the
>>>> bilge
>>>> was
>>>> salt water or fresh water?????
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 7/1/2008 11:00:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> engineerpac at gmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>> Backflow through the sink is possible as it is open, but the
>>>> increased
>>>> flotation when the flare is in the water would probably still
>>>> keep the
>>>> drain
>>>> at some height above the water.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>> If it's the starboard side and it was a knock down situation,
>>>>> how
>>>>> about
>>>>> backflow through the sink drain? - rob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>>>> collins
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:51 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water Under V Berth? Water in
>>>>> side &
>>>>> forwardbilges; Reply to Andrew, Michael C et al...
>>>>>
>>>>> MJM and Ed
>>>>>
>>>>> The water is behaving as Michael described. The bilge is now dry
>> with
>>>>> very
>>>>> little water seeping in from the adjacent bilge compartments, so
>>>>> happiness
>>>>> abounds. Three or four 1/4" holes thru the partitions from
>>>>> the bilge
>>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>> forward and port compartments will speed up drtainage if it
>>>>> happens
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> The boat is a 1986 recycled in 2006. Leakage has historically
>>>>> been
>>>>> wind
>>>>> driven rain into the starboard hatch and under the pop top,
>>>>> but this
>>>>> last
>>>>> one only when on the trailer. My guess is that the wind
>>>>> builds up a
>>>>> little
>>>>> wavelet at the pop top and manages to push it over the lip. The
>>>>> amount
>>>>> is
>>>>> not worth worrying about.
>>>>> All thru hull fittings are closed and connections are dry.
>>>>> New hoses
>>>>> were
>>>>> fitted this year.
>>>>> The source of water from the knock down: now wouldn't I like to
>> know!
>>>>> From
>>>>> drip marks and debris trails on the interior of the hull
>>>>> under the
>>>>> galley
>>>>> counter, I reckon it was on its starboard side (also the port
>>>>> fender
>>>> was
>>>>> in
>>>>> the cockpit). So the hull deck joint is the prime suspect,
>>>>> and this
>>>> will
>>>>> get
>>>>> inspected in the fall. No water seemed to come in through ports,
>>>>> hatches, or
>>>>> companionway, the carpet was dry ... so the forensic effort CSI
>> Grass
>>>>> Island is ended.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will search the archives for the deck-hull connection info
>>>>> and/or
>>>>> caulking
>>>>> procedure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>> s/v Carmen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew & Michael C:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew, I do not remember where you are or what year your
>>>>>> boat is.
>>>> A
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> more information would be helpful. Regardless, you need to
>>>>> immediately
>>>>>> determine the source of the water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Possible sources include the vent that Michael C keeps asking
>>>>>> about.
>>>>> Or,
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> it your fresh water tank or hoses and connections to it? A
>>>>>> search
>>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>>> archives might reveal where another boat needed a new tank or
>> hoses
>>>>> (for
>>>>>> sure). This issue needs to be addressed before you sustain
>>>>>> water
>>>>> damage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael C - the shelf is where it was... yes, it can catch
>>>>>> stray
>>>> drops
>>>>> of
>>>>>> water. The idea was not mine, so there are other Nicro
>>>>>> vents out
>>>>> there on
>>>>>> Rhodes 22's. What they did with their trays is a question
>>>>>> waiting
>>>> for
>>>>> an
>>>>>> answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About the list answering questions lately, there are reasons
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> failure
>>>>>> of the list to appropriately and quickly respond to questions.
>>>>> This
>>>>> is
>>>>>> prime vacation time. There are several members of the forum on
>>>>> vacation
>>>>>> this week and others getting ready to go next week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then there are the archives and newbies need to use them.
>>>>>> Older
>>>>> members
>>>>>> have answered the same questions many times. I joined this
>>>>>> motley
>>>>> crew in
>>>>>> the last century. At a point some just get tired of typing the
>>>>>> same
>>>>> words
>>>>>> and answers, so use the archives to do simple research. If
>>>>>> you do
>>>> not
>>>>> know
>>>>>> how, ask.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then another answer is political. This forum has a
>>>>>> predominance
>> of
>>>>> social
>>>>>> democrats and beltway bureaucrats who talk a good deed but
>>>>>> stumble
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> routine blue collar help. The exception is the signee who
>>>>>> claims
>>>>>> to
>>>>> be an
>>>>>> enlightened capitalist. The help that this list has given is
>>>>> gratuitous.
>>>>>> Unfortunately many recipients' of the help, no longer nor maybe
>>>> never
>>>>> have,
>>>>>> feel any obligation to continue the gift.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Furthermore, there are those who ascribe to keeping the list
>>>>>> email
>>>>> volume
>>>>>> low. The failure to do so has irritated them that they no
>>>>>> longer
>>>>>> subscribe.
>>>>>> While this is a loss, it is really a demonstration of a
>>>>>> short fuse
>>>>>> or
>>>>> the
>>>>>> above stated failure to continue the gift.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew, I encourage you to repost your questions and
>>>>>> research the
>>>>> archives.
>>>>>> Again, find the source of the water problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>
>> http://www.nabble.com/Water-Under-V-Berth--tp18164488p18179820.html
>>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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