[Rhodes22-list] Water Under V Berth? Water in side &forwardbilges; Reply...
R22RumRunner at aol.com
R22RumRunner at aol.com
Thu Jul 3 16:14:35 EDT 2008
Andrew,
Am I to understand that you actually drilled holes in the stringers? If this
is what you have done, did you do anything to seal the now exposed wood?
Rummy
In a message dated 7/2/2008 12:32:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
engineerpac at gmail.com writes:
Mike
No, the sink drain goes directly out the hull above the waterline. A valve
there sounds like a good idea.
The genoa restraining tie is a practice I am adopting as of now. My mooring
location is one of swirling winds and at times the south-facing harbor mouth
allows the wind to come in unobstructed. Should the genoa get loose, there
would be havoc as the adjacent moorings are occupied by 30-40 footers all
worth 10 times what mine is worth, and then there rocks.
A check of the water tank showed that it did not spill much of anything, but
the ball check vent on it is only a vent, no ball.
I drilled holes laterally into the adjacent bilge compartments and this
helps the drainage into the center compartment. The forward compartment is
lower than the one containing the CB trunk, but the water can be sponged
from there. Sitting in the back of the boat for a while brings it out. So
progress is being made and all the compartments are now only damp.
thanks
Andrew
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> The more I read about this "knock down" while moored, the more it sounds
> like water that came in the sink line and ran backwards into the bilge
> through a bilge pump with a bad check valve. Do you have a pump connected
> to the sink discharge line?
>
> A few years ago, the harbormaster called me to inform me that my Rhodes
> went
> sailing without me and was heeled over with the Genoa fully deployed, at
> anchor. It seems that the Genoa unfurled and developed enough force to
> drag
> our 200 lb. mushroom anchor out of the mud and about 500 feet! When I got
> on board, she was far enough over to starboard that the sink line was in
> the
> water and we had taken on water through the bilge pump. A new pump solved
> that problem and I never leave her without securing 2 sail ties around the
> Genoa to prevent deployment even if the furling line breaks.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "andrew collins" <engineerpac at gmail.com>Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008
> 5:16 PM
> > Rummy
> >
> > It was a mix of salt and fresh. My water tank has an air vent valve with
> a
> > little float in it, so that should have prevented the tank from emptying
> > much. My curiosity is now piqued so I will visit the boat tonight and
> > check
> > the water level in the tank. Then I might have to go sailing.
> >
> > As mentioned, the carpet, cushions, etc were dry, so the pop top did not
> > admit much of anything.
> >
> > The ports are also not suspects as the galley counter had paper and rags
> > on
> > it- all dry, cushions all dry. My money is on the hull deck joint, and I
> > solemnly promise to search the archives for the caulking procedure and to
> > change the subject line if I have anything to add after searching. Of
> > course, I am also not going to do anything without calling Stan!
> >
> > Now, tell us about the time you laid her on her side ...I only ask in
> > order
> > to avoid doing the same. Was it a broach?
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:48 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I just had another thought. The time that I laid Rum Runner over on her
> >> side
> >> while under sail, water did come into the cabin over the deck. With the
> >> pop
> >> top in the lower position, it could allow water to enter the cabin. With
> >> 80
> >> mph winds, it could also just blow in. The pop top isn't sealed tight
> to
> >> the
> >> deck.
> >>
> >> Rummy
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 7/1/2008 11:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> R22RumRunner at aol.com writes:
> >>
> >> Andrew,
> >> Speaking from first hand experience, I can assure you that when laid
> >> over,
> >> the sink drain is indeed in the water. I do not know if it would allow
> >> water
> >>
> >> into the cabin because it would depend on the height of the sink at
> that
> >> angle.
> >> My guess would be that the water came in from the hull/deck joint. It's
> >> an
> >> easy thing to fix. Once again, it's been covered many times on this
> >> list,
> >> but
> >> if you can't find anything in the archives, I will be glad to repeat
> >> the
> >> instructions I got from Sir Stanley.
> >> Another source of water could be your water tank. It has an air valve
> >> that
> >> could let water out when laid over. Do you know if the water in the
> >> bilge
> >> was
> >> salt water or fresh water?????
> >>
> >> Rummy
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 7/1/2008 11:00:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> engineerpac at gmail.com writes:
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >> Backflow through the sink is possible as it is open, but the
increased
> >> flotation when the flare is in the water would probably still keep the
> >> drain
> >> at some height above the water.
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Andrew,
> >> > If it's the starboard side and it was a knock down situation, how
> >> > about
> >> > backflow through the sink drain? - rob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> >> collins
> >> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:51 PM
> >> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water Under V Berth? Water in side &
> >> > forwardbilges; Reply to Andrew, Michael C et al...
> >> >
> >> > MJM and Ed
> >> >
> >> > The water is behaving as Michael described. The bilge is now dry
> with
> >> > very
> >> > little water seeping in from the adjacent bilge compartments, so
> >> > happiness
> >> > abounds. Three or four 1/4" holes thru the partitions from the
bilge
> >> to
> >> > the
> >> > forward and port compartments will speed up drtainage if it happens
> >> > again.
> >> >
> >> > The boat is a 1986 recycled in 2006. Leakage has historically been
> >> > wind
> >> > driven rain into the starboard hatch and under the pop top, but
this
> >> > last
> >> > one only when on the trailer. My guess is that the wind builds up a
> >> > little
> >> > wavelet at the pop top and manages to push it over the lip. The
> >> > amount
> >> > is
> >> > not worth worrying about.
> >> > All thru hull fittings are closed and connections are dry. New hoses
> >> > were
> >> > fitted this year.
> >> > The source of water from the knock down: now wouldn't I like to
> know!
> >> > From
> >> > drip marks and debris trails on the interior of the hull under the
> >> > galley
> >> > counter, I reckon it was on its starboard side (also the port fender
> >> was
> >> > in
> >> > the cockpit). So the hull deck joint is the prime suspect, and this
> >> will
> >> > get
> >> > inspected in the fall. No water seemed to come in through ports,
> >> > hatches, or
> >> > companionway, the carpet was dry ... so the forensic effort CSI
> Grass
> >> > Island is ended.
> >> >
> >> > I will search the archives for the deck-hull connection info and/or
> >> > caulking
> >> > procedure.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the advice.
> >> >
> >> > Andrew
> >> > s/v Carmen
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Andrew & Michael C:
> >> > >
> >> > > Andrew, I do not remember where you are or what year your boat is.
> >> A
> >> > > little
> >> > > more information would be helpful. Regardless, you need to
> >> > immediately
> >> > > determine the source of the water.
> >> > >
> >> > > Possible sources include the vent that Michael C keeps asking
> >> > > about.
> >> > Or,
> >> > > is
> >> > > it your fresh water tank or hoses and connections to it? A search
> >> > > of
> >> > the
> >> > > archives might reveal where another boat needed a new tank or
> hoses
> >> > (for
> >> > > sure). This issue needs to be addressed before you sustain water
> >> > damage.
> >> > >
> >> > > Michael C - the shelf is where it was... yes, it can catch stray
> >> drops
> >> > of
> >> > > water. The idea was not mine, so there are other Nicro vents out
> >> > there on
> >> > > Rhodes 22's. What they did with their trays is a question waiting
> >> for
> >> > an
> >> > > answer.
> >> > >
> >> > > About the list answering questions lately, there are reasons for
> >> > > the
> >> > > failure
> >> > > of the list to appropriately and quickly respond to questions.
> >> > This
> >> > is
> >> > > prime vacation time. There are several members of the forum on
> >> > vacation
> >> > > this week and others getting ready to go next week.
> >> > >
> >> > > Then there are the archives and newbies need to use them. Older
> >> > members
> >> > > have answered the same questions many times. I joined this
motley
> >> > crew in
> >> > > the last century. At a point some just get tired of typing the
> >> > > same
> >> > words
> >> > > and answers, so use the archives to do simple research. If you do
> >> not
> >> > know
> >> > > how, ask.
> >> > >
> >> > > Then another answer is political. This forum has a predominance
> of
> >> > social
> >> > > democrats and beltway bureaucrats who talk a good deed but stumble
> >> > > on
> >> > > routine blue collar help. The exception is the signee who claims
> >> > > to
> >> > be an
> >> > > enlightened capitalist. The help that this list has given is
> >> > gratuitous.
> >> > > Unfortunately many recipients' of the help, no longer nor maybe
> >> never
> >> > have,
> >> > > feel any obligation to continue the gift.
> >> > >
> >> > > Furthermore, there are those who ascribe to keeping the list email
> >> > volume
> >> > > low. The failure to do so has irritated them that they no longer
> >> > > subscribe.
> >> > > While this is a loss, it is really a demonstration of a short fuse
> >> > > or
> >> > the
> >> > > above stated failure to continue the gift.
> >> > >
> >> > > Andrew, I encourage you to repost your questions and research the
> >> > archives.
> >> > > Again, find the source of the water problem.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ed K
> >> > > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > View this message in context:
> >> > >
> http://www.nabble.com/Water-Under-V-Berth--tp18164488p18179820.html
> >> > > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >> > >
> >> > >
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