[Rhodes22-list] Information gathering

[Arthur H. Czerwonky]

John,

I have no objection to having a poll.  Rummy, are you worried what results will show?  Stan has sent potential skippers to the list as a promotional witness, I have some doubts about whether it helps his efforts.  I think the prime objective for those subscribing to the list is building their sailing knowledge and cohesion in the fleet.  The often exagerated and pointless emotion and language may provide a momentary email thrill, but face it folks, there are better ways to get the points across.  

A poll could have distorted for sure, but not only because of the votes of new skippers who are sick of political posturing, but due to the loss over time of excellent former members who were sick of the bickering and were labeled as internet police and the like, just for expressing their feelings honestly.  Numerous newbies and veterans have been treated in this way.

It has been suggested that the Rhodes 22 sailing advocates post their messages on Sailnet or some other forum instead of this one.  I suggest that Rhodes22.org is by definition a Rhodes22 sailing site, and that if someone really wants to post political swill, they should have no right to soil the Rhodes22 skipper list or the Rhodes 22 name.  Maybe a more appropriate site should be their destination when they lose control.  

Nothing wrong with meaningful political insights, but in the tone and manner I have seen, it is just way overdone.

I refer back to sometimes comments about an unnamed member of our fleet - those who cannot get their point across in a civil way are demonstrating their 'mounting problems' to everyone now or later who reads about our Rhodes 22 boat and fleet.  Some legacy we help provide to Stan.  As he has gotten into some of the dialogue, I have not seen a need by him to be foul in doing so.  Maybe we could follow his example...

Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>Sent: Jul 22, 2008 7:04 PM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Information gathering
>
>John,
>Taking a poll is a lousy idea. You are giving people that have never and  
>probably will never add anything to the list decide what direction we go in. I  
>think if anyone wanted to, they could certainly express their opinions freely 
>on  da list. I think the majority of the people like it just fine. Everyone 
>knows  how to use the delete button. There are times when I don't have the time 
>to read  all posts, but will sift through the ones that are sailing related.
> 
>Rummy
> 
> 
>In a message dated 7/22/2008 4:58:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
>jlock at relevantarts.com writes:
>
>At 04:25  PM 7/22/2008 -0400, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>I wonder if we can try to  solve the problem a bit differently than chasing
>>otherwise good folks  off the list.  Maybe John can set up a third
>>distribution mode in  addition to "Non-digested" and "Digested", something
>>called "Sailing  limited" which would only receive items of sailing interest.
>>Maybe we  could use a prefixed subject line modifier such as "Sailing:" to
>>direct  these posts to the limited list as well as the general list.
>>Forgetting  to add the subject line modifier will only affect those who do
>>not wish  to be on "da list", not the rest of us.  John, is such a  thing
>>doable?
>
>Doable, but probably not practical.  Besides  the programing involved, 
>it depends on the poster remembering to place the  magic word in the 
>subject line.  We all know how well THAT  works!
>
>Seriously... before we can discuss making any changes, we need  more 
>information.  Right now we have no sense of what the majority  
>wants.  We've heard from the usual suspects on what they want, but  
>there are 268 list members; most of whom have not stated a  preference.
>
>We might assume that everything is hunky-dory, since we  don't have 
>268 complaints.  But that may be because no good  alternatives have 
>been proposed.
>
>I'd like to suggest a simple  poll.  I can whip one up in a few 
>minutes and post the URL to the  list.  We'll run it for a couple 
>weeks and see what kind of stats  come out.  Might be interesting to 
>have some facts to kick around...  yes?
>
>Cheers!
>
>John Lock
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>s/v Pandion -  '79 Rhodes 22
>Lake Sinclair,  GA
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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