[Rhodes22-list] Information gathering

Wed Jul 23 07:59:19 EDT 2008

Arthur,
As has been stated previously, this list was started because we wanted to  be 
able to post pictures and not have to worry about a sailnet moderator  
stepping in to control our conversations. With all due respect, you are very new  to 
all of us and I don't believe that you are in a position to decide where the  
list should go or how it should be run. This is a community. We have a 
charter  and when someone steps over the bounds of the charter, we police ourselves. 
Yes,  I am concerned that a poll from 268 non participating people would lead 
us in a  direction the original founders and participating members of this 
list don't  want it to go in. We have lost a few people over the years, but the 
list is  still strong with a large knowledge base and we will continue this 
way for many  years. Read the charter. Understand it and if you think someone 
has stepped over  the line, call them on it, but leave this site the way it is.

Rummy said that.

In a message dated 7/22/2008 9:54:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
czerwonky at earthlink.net writes:

John,

I have no objection to having a poll.  Rummy, are you  worried what results 
will show?  Stan has sent potential skippers to the  list as a promotional 
witness, I have some doubts about whether it helps his  efforts.  I think the 
prime objective for those subscribing to the list  is building their sailing 
knowledge and cohesion in the fleet.  The often  exagerated and pointless emotion 
and language may provide a momentary email  thrill, but face it folks, there 
are better ways to get the points  across.  

A poll could have distorted for sure, but not only  because of the votes of 
new skippers who are sick of political posturing, but  due to the loss over 
time of excellent former members who were sick of the  bickering and were labeled 
as internet police and the like, just for  expressing their feelings 
honestly.  Numerous newbies and veterans have  been treated in this way.

It has been suggested that the Rhodes 22  sailing advocates post their 
messages on Sailnet or some other forum instead  of this one.  I suggest that 
Rhodes22.org is by definition a Rhodes22  sailing site, and that if someone really 
wants to post political swill, they  should have no right to soil the Rhodes22 
skipper list or the Rhodes 22  name.  Maybe a more appropriate site should be 
their destination when  they lose control.  

Nothing wrong with meaningful political  insights, but in the tone and manner 
I have seen, it is just way  overdone.

I refer back to sometimes comments about an unnamed member of  our fleet - 
those who cannot get their point across in a civil way are  demonstrating their 
'mounting problems' to everyone now or later who reads  about our Rhodes 22 
boat and fleet.  Some legacy we help provide to  Stan.  As he has gotten into 
some of the dialogue, I have not seen a need  by him to be foul in doing so.  
Maybe we could follow his  example...

Art

-----Original Message-----
>From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com
>Sent: Jul 22, 2008 7:04 PM
>To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Information  gathering
>
>John,
>Taking a poll is a lousy idea. You are  giving people that have never and  
>probably will never add  anything to the list decide what direction we go 
in. I  
>think if  anyone wanted to, they could certainly express their opinions 
freely  
>on  da list. I think the majority of the people like it just  fine. Everyone 
>knows  how to use the delete button. There are  times when I don't have the 
time 
>to read  all posts, but will  sift through the ones that are sailing related.
> 
>Rummy
>  
> 
>In a message dated 7/22/2008 4:58:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time,  
>jlock at relevantarts.com writes:
>
>At  04:25  PM 7/22/2008 -0400, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>I wonder  if we can try to  solve the problem a bit differently than  
chasing
>>otherwise good folks  off the list.  Maybe John  can set up a third
>>distribution mode in  addition to  "Non-digested" and "Digested", something
>>called "Sailing   limited" which would only receive items of sailing 
interest.
>>Maybe  we  could use a prefixed subject line modifier such as "Sailing:"  to
>>direct  these posts to the limited list as well as the  general list.
>>Forgetting  to add the subject line modifier  will only affect those who do
>>not wish  to be on "da list",  not the rest of us.  John, is such a   thing
>>doable?
>
>Doable, but probably not  practical.  Besides  the programing involved, 
>it depends on  the poster remembering to place the  magic word in the 
>subject  line.  We all know how well THAT  works!
>
>Seriously...  before we can discuss making any changes, we need  more  
>information.  Right now we have no sense of what the  majority  
>wants.  We've heard from the usual suspects on  what they want, but  
>there are 268 list members; most of whom  have not stated a  preference.
>
>We might assume that  everything is hunky-dory, since we  don't have 
>268  complaints.  But that may be because no good  alternatives have  
>been proposed.
>
>I'd like to suggest a simple   poll.  I can whip one up in a few 
>minutes and post the URL to  the  list.  We'll run it for a couple 
>weeks and see what  kind of stats  come out.  Might be interesting to 
>have some  facts to kick around...  yes?
>
>Cheers!
>
>John  Lock
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>s/v Pandion -  '79 Rhodes  22
>Lake Sinclair,   GA
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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