[Rhodes22-list] Political question.

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Sat Jul 26 07:33:57 EDT 2008 

Elle,

You guys haven't solved this yet?  I went back to the hangar yesterday
afternoon to piddle (and got a ride in a SR-22, fast-as-hell plastic
airplane).

Nixon probably was a watershed, the election of 2000 and the aftermath was
perhaps a bigger one as far as polarization in politics goes.  Al Gore could
have spared us that by carrying his home state of Tennessee, or by following
Nixon's example of 1960 by conceding an election he probably won (but for
some dead people voting in Chicago), but it all worked out for the best, Big
Al is now saving the world.

First the good news, the federal government is so huge and so cumbersome
that the entrenched bureaucrats in every department pretty much go about
business as usual regardless of who is the POTUS.  Now for the bad news, the
federal government is so huge and so cumbersome that the entrenched
bureaucrats in every department pretty much go about business as usual
regardless of who is the POTUS.

What I fear most is a substantial shift leftward just as Europe is moving
right in their economic policies, and the Asian economies are pursuing
wide-open capitalism at breakneck speed.  If you believe Amity Scales "The
Forgotten Man", FDR's programs actually lengthened the Great Depression, but
many of those programs are still with us.  Johnson's Great Society programs
are still with us, including what must be a record number for any city,
hundreds of shuttered public housing projects here in Memphis (this months
Atlantic has a great article about how section 8 housing has moved crime
into otherwise stable neighborhoods).  These programs never end. The offer
still stands for anyone wanting a tour of the MS Gulf Coast to watch your
tax dollars at work (and in the interest of full disclosure, we did in fact
earn $2400 from the feds collecting dead chickens off the beach.  Every
thing we've done since has been private work).

Now, you might convince me to vote for the Chicago Savior if someone,
anyone, could point out one successful project he's accomplished in the last
two decades.  Anything will do. Just one.

I'm still waiting.

Brad



On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:34 PM, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> YIKES! School marm...aieeee! Man, I pitched the pince-nez when I sashayed
> out the classroom door for the last time...;^)
>
> In the climate since Watergate, (before that presidental faux-pas-s
> (there's a plural in there somewhere...) were ignored/covered up/etc. Y'all
> know what I mean.
>
> After Nixon, we have become so critical, so teeth-bared..it is a wonder
> that anyone does step up. The process begins at brutal and proceeds from
> there.. Is it any wonder that only ego maniacs think they can do the job?
>
> So, I think the question was spot on...who will do the least damage?
>
> And because someone's candidate will not win this (and you're right..was it
> Hank or Rik...there are no Presidental candidates yet, although OBam-one is
> acting mighty presidential...) Just give him the 100 day honeymoon, then
> he'll be in the holding tank .
>
> It will be interesting...but I truly feel disgusted as to the legacy we are
> leaving our children.....
>
> elle
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/25/08, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political question.
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 2:19 PM
> > Elle,
> >
> > Your 'school marm' effect sent me off on a wild
> > goose chase looking for "Age
> > of Turbulence", recently written by Alan Greenspan
> > ('cause I'm conditioned
> > to the teacher actually making me display the book for the
> > report.  It
> > either "developed feet", or, my six year-old
> > daughter is reading it).
> > Anyway, Greenspan suggested, tongue-in-cheek, that we pass
> > a constitutional
> > amendment that anyone who was willing to run for POTUS was
> > automatically
> > disqualified.
> >
> > Unless I live through eight or ten more elections, my
> > favorite will always
> > be Reagan for answering the question, "how does being
> > an actor qualify one
> > to be the President of the United States".  Answer,
> > "how can one do the job
> > without being an actor?"
> >
> > I'm being half-assed serious here - for any applicant
> > for any job, there
> > comes a point where you have to ask the following question,
> > "your resume is
> > printed on nice paper and it looks glowing, but, what have
> > you actually
> > done?"
> >
> > There's probably a good reason I stuck with the labor
> > side of my profession
> > and didn't go 'whole hog' into management.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Hank
> > <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Elle,
> > >
> > > I've thought for a long while now, that our
> > political system and methods
> > > for
> > > choosing our candidates has denigrated to such a level
> > as to ensure that no
> > > one who is actually qualified to have the job would
> > voluntarily seek the
> > > job.  So no matter what, we're going to always be
> > stuck with the "lesser of
> > > the evils".
> > >
> > > Hank
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/25/08, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There is no lesser of the two evils
> > here...American people have really
> > > > messed over themselves.
> > > >
> > > > Rough four years ahead....Those who don't
> > know the lessons of history are
> > > > condemned to repeat them. Yea, No Child Left
> > Behind. We have all reached
> > > the
> > > > nadir of mediocrity.
> > > >
> > > > My last political statement.
> > > >
> > > > elle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We can't change the angle of the wind....but
> > we can adjust our sails.
> > > >
> > > > 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06
> > "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 7/25/08, R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Political question.
> > > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > > Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 1:05 PM
> > > > > I'm just wondering, which one of the two
> > (presidential
> > > > > candidates) would do
> > > > > the least harm to our country for the next
> > four years?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rummy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2008 12:48:51 P.M.
> > Eastern Daylight
> > > > > Time,
> > > > > engineerpac at gmail.com writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > Elle
> > > > >
> > > > > Hear, hear! I do think that sailing should
> > be the focus,
> > > > > and that the
> > > > > bullying is unnecessary. The folks on
> > 'da list' are
> > > > >  intelligent and have
> > > > > varying opinions: excellent!- but: exchanges
> > without
> > > > > grinding profanity and
> > > > > a little respect would be welcome.
> > > > > Andrew  C
> > > > > s/v Carmen
> > > > > Grass Island CT
> > > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:05 PM, elle
> > > > > <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I can't necessarily disagree
> > w/some of the
> > > > > comments re: the tone of the
> > > > > > list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The  tone of some political posts can
> > be downright
> > > > > bullying.....and the
> > > > > >  name-calling....and that is
> > discomforting, even if
> > > > > the topic and the
> > > > > >  discussion may be worthy of a
> > read.....it's a
> > > > > huge turnoff for me
> > > > > >  personally, and obviously for newbies.
> > Bullies are
> > > > > turnoffs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  Please reread your posts tone it down
> > before hitting
> > > > > send.  Your points
> > > > > are
> > > > > > better made with fluency and reasoning,
> > not force.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  You guys are a unique bunch with a
> > huge spectrum of
> > > > > occupations &
> > > > > >  educational backgrounds, giving unique
> > perspectives
> > > > > to the politics
> > > > > swirling
> > > > > > around us.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The discussions do bring out  points
> > that I find
> > > > > interesting ...and often
> > > > > > you guys find stuff that  is not in the
> > news....but
> > > > > no one is going to
> > > > > > change anyone  else's minds about
> > the candidates.
> > > > > But these are not
> > > > > > discussions any  more...they  are
> > diatribes &
> > > > > anyone who does not agree is a
> > > > > >  &%$#(*&^)#.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So let's stop the bullying,
> > namecalling,  and
> > > > > label the posts as political
> > > > > > to be deleted at will.. ...and maybe
> > we can get some
> > > > > fresh insights and new
> > > > > > buds to hoist one  with.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > elle
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can't change the angle  of the
> > wind....but we
> > > > > can adjust our sails.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  1992 Rhodes  22   Recyc '06
> > > > > "WaterMusic"   (Lady in  Red)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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