[Rhodes22-list] Which is Fastest?

[Hank]

Lee,

I'm really going to have to come out and see your boat.  Maybe in late July
we can work something out.  I'll be recovering from shoulder surgery, but I
can still hold a rum and coke with my other hand and watch you sail!

Hank


On 6/4/08, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
>
> Hank,
>
> Here's a picture from the Rhodes Owners' website that shows it without
> the side running track.
>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/RAILS1.jpg
>
> You can always run the sheet from the cam cleat to the winch, but I
> agree with Mary Lou in that the cam cleat holds it well.  In fact, it
> holds so well that it is difficult to release the sheet without taking
> pressure off of the sail.
>
> Lee
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hank [mailto:hnw555 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:42 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Which is Fastest?
>
> Thanks, ML.  That describes and displays it very well.
>
> Hank
>
>
> On 6/4/08, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hank,
> > Here is a link to a pic I posted in May 2007 in a similar discussion.
> > It's of our cabin top so you can see the position of the cleats.
> >
> >
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20070522/857
> 7bc4a/attachment.jpg
> >
> > With the genny furled to the point where you can sheet in over the
> > cabintop there's not all that much sail out and it's a pretty
> > straight run. The cam cleat holds the sheet well. Its a straight
> > steady pull on it. Nothing to pop it out.
> >
> > Here is what I said about the three sheet locations:
> > "The coaming track is next to the cockpit and the winches. Different
> > era boats seem to have different length track. Ours goes from the
> > front of the coaming (just aft of the cabin) to adjacent to the winch.
> >
> > The side deck track runs alongside the cabin. I've attached a picture
> > but I haven't had any luck getting pictures through to the list so
> > I'll copy you on it directly.
> >
> > The cabintop lead consists merely of a lead with a cam cleat - no
> > track - if you get the picture you can see the cleat between the
> > cleat for the topping lift and the poptop. There's a bullseye lead
> > further forward that I think we use with this but without a better
> > picture or being at the boat I don't recall. We haven't used the
> > cabintop sheeting arrangement enough. Usually when we get winds high
> > enough to make it useful, the waves are big enough that we don't want
> > to be out in it."
> >
> > Capt. Slim had this to say about rerouting the sheets underway:
> > ">OK, Bud, I'll take this one.  I have a 175% genny and I have to reef
> it
> > in
> > >to about 125(?) to get it inboard of the upper shrouds.  It's only a
> > matter
> > >of clearing the spreaders.  The sail has to be shortened enought so
> that
> > it
> > >can get under the spreaders without interference.  The exact amount
> may
> > vary
> > >from rig to rig.
> > >
> > >I re-route the sheets to the fair leads along side the cabin top
> (some
> > boats
> > >may not have this equipment)  and then to the winches.   My boat is
> also
> > >equited with fair leads and cleats on the cabin roof if I want to
> sheet
> > even
> > >closer-hauled.  I'm just under 6' tall and I can re-route the jib
> sheets
> > >from the cabin. if I have some one at the helm.  If I'm at the helm
> and my
> > >first mate is doing it, she has to go forward on deck because her
> arms
> > >aren't long enough to do it safely from the cabin.
> > >
> > >If I make this change under way, first I re-reout the windward
> (slack)
> > sheet
> > >to the inboard fairlead and winch.  Then I tack and reef in when the
> sail
> > is
> > >flagging and come about with the jib sheets in the new position.
> Then I
> > >re-route the now-windward sheet to the new position and I'm set.
> > >
> > >It helps a lot to have an experienced crew to execute this smoothly.
> but
> > if
> > >not, or you're single-handing, you can always "heave to" when making
> > >changes.
> > >
> > >This only happens in higher winds when I have to reef in, AND I'm
> trying
> > to
> > >point as high as I can.  I have the pop top down to decrease windage
> and
> > >heel, and the boom in the lower position (so-called "first reef")
> and, I'm
> > >going fast so I can bring up the center board to about 3/4 to 1/2.
> The
> > >faster you go, the less board you need.  The less board, the less
> > heel--but
> > >the more side-slip leeway, so you have to learn to judge for yourself
> the
> > >right balence for your boat, passengers and destination."
> >
> > To which I replied:
> > "Ditto what Slim said - excellent description! One thing to add - I'm
> > short - a hair under 5 feet. If I have remembered to put the leads
> > on the inside track at mid point I can make the changes to the lazy
> > sheet using a boat hook to snag it and bring it back to the cockpit
> > inside the shrouds.  I don't let the bitter end  go until I have the
> > bight of the sheet in a good grip."
> > I was talking about the inside track on the sidedeck but it also
> > applies to the cabintop leads (no track to worry about on the cabin
> top).
> >
> > Hope this helps clarify.
> >
> >
> > Mary Lou
> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> > Rock Hall, MD
> >
> >
> > At 07:07 AM 6/4/2008, you wrote:
> > >Lee,
> > >
> > >Can you take a picture the next time you are down at the boat so I
> can see
> > >what you are talking about?  If I understand you correctly, you don't
> have
> > a
> > >block on a track, just the sheet led through a cam cleat?  How do you
> keep
> > >it from popping out?
> > >
> > >Hank
> > >
> > >
> > >On 6/3/08, Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bob,
> > > >
> > > > I have a cam cleat on the cabin top for running it between the
> mast and
> > > > inner shroud, and a cam cleat on the side of the cabin for running
> it
> > > > between the inner and outer shrouds.
> > > >
> > > > If the downside to furling headsails is poor sail shape and most
> > cruisers
> > > > have furling headsails, I'm surprised more don't have multiple
> methods
> > of
> > > > running their sheets.  The shape may not be perfect, but it's a
> huge
> > > > improvement.  From inside the cabin you can easily and safely
> change
> > the
> > > > non-working sheet to all three positions.
> > > >
> > > > Lee
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bob Keller wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Lee,
> > > > > I have a question: How do you run the genoa sheet between the
> mast
> > and
> > > > > inner shroud as indicated in B below?  I have never had any
> success
> > doing
> > > > > this, but it seems like it would help (I was trying to point
> into
> > 18-20
> > > > > knots last weekend and could have used that).
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > Bob K> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:50:54 -0700> From:
> LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> > To:
> > > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Which is
> > Fastest?>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Great afternoon of sailing. Played around with three different
> sail
> > > > > plans to> see which would be the fastest. For all three; true
> wind
> > was
> > > > > about 12-14> knots, centerboard was down, close reach of about
> 50
> > degrees
> > > > > with sails> adjusted properly, 10-15 degree heel, and the tiller
> was
> > > > > locked straight. I> did need to occasionally shift my weight
> slightly
> > to
> > > > > keep on tack.> > A. Boom down. Genoa sheet between mast and
> inner
> > shroud.
> > > > > Genoa reefed to> about 70%. Full main.> > B. Boom up. Genoa
> sheet
> > between
> > > > > inner and outer shrouds. Genoa reefed to> about 110%. Main
> reefed to
> > > > about
> > > > > 60%.> > C. Boom up. No Genoa. Full main.> > Which do you think
> was
> > > > > fastest? Results surprised me.> > Lee> 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease>
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