[Rhodes22-list] political : marines in iraq...big al delete

[Brad Haslett]

Herb,

Hope this link works -

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121400406620193453.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

If it doesn't, let me know and I'll just send the article (I have a
subscription to the WSJ).

Did you read the story in the MSM about the recently released GITMO prisoner
who was caught, AGAIN, killing our boys?  Probably not because it doesn't
fit the story line.  Now Barry O just this week was showing his ignorance of
history once again (his friends in college say even today he wasn't
interested in history) by saying we should handle combatants like we did
Nazi's at Nuremberg. Uh, Barry, hello!  The Nuremberg trials were not run
according to US jurisprudence, the defendants were not accorded an appeal,
and THEY WERE EXECUTED.  Since the GITMO boys chose not to belong to a
regular army, wear uniforms, and in general, conform to the Geneva
Conference standards, they ought to be happy they get three meals a day and
a nice climate along with their health care.

What our men and women have had to go through trying to fight a PC and media
war in Iraq is very troubling.  The fact that they are succeeding and get so
little positive press coverage for their heroic efforts  is even more
troubling.

Brad

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
wrote:

> 3-4 years back, one of my daughters was was engaged to a marine who'd
> served two tours in Iraq (they later broke off the engagement). He
> brought home a raw video of a in "insurgent" being killed. He showed the
> raw video of the insurgent firing at a building with marines, AND at the
> location the from which the video was being shot. Both sides exchanged
> fire for several rounds. The rifle the insurgent had looked antique, and
> he was definitely out-gunned, but bullets is bullets, and old guns kill
> too.
>
> He finally ran out of ammunition, and stood up from his crouching
> position. I couldn't tell for sure if it was a "Send me to Allah"
> moment, or just a confused guy not knowing what to do, but he didn't get
> to stand long. He was gunned down, and on his knees in a few short
> bursts. Firing stopped for a few seconds, then he moved a little, and
> they tore him up with bullets.
>
> Then Mike showed me the media version of the same incident. It STARTED
> when the insurgent stood up. Watching that view, you saw an "unarmed"
> man (you had to look on the ground for his gun) standing up, getting
> shot down, moving again, and being killed.
>
> I was disgusted. By the press.
>
> We trained ourselves, as a nation, to make pariahs out of those that are
> risking their lives to devend our way of life. As a nation, we should be
> ashamed at best. At worst, we deserve what's probably coming down the
> road. When the best, brightest, and bravest decide that we're no longer
> worth it, we're in trouble.
>
> Brad Haslett wrote:
> > Herb,
> >
> > When the "puppy" story broke it reminded me of a story about my dad that
> was
> > included in a book one of his unit members wrote about their experiences
> in
> > WW2.  Dad and another Mid Western farm boy knew how to butcher, so when
> they
> > had some down time (which wasn't often) they were known to 'liberate' a
> > French cow and feed their fellow soldiers steaks.  I can see the USAToday
> > coverage of it now: "US Soldier Brutally Hacks Cow In Small Pieces".
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> John, the military hasn't changed that much, the capabilities of the
> >> information age have changed. My step-father was an officer, had had
> >> some pretty "interesting" stories about some of the discipline issues he
> >> saw dealt with.
> >>
> >> The military, like any other organization, is going to have some bad
> >> apples. For every one of those stories you hear about, there are
> >> thousands of stories about good men and women doing their job.
> >>
> >> john Belanger wrote:
> >>
> >>> i am a veteran. i served my country during the cuban missle crisis. we
> >>>
> >> had lots of kids from all over and occassionally they got in trouble
> ashore.
> >> but we did not have the kind of incidents that seem to be more and more
> >> common in the services now. these two enlisted marines were punished for
> >> their actions but only after a video surfaced, like at abu graib. what
> did
> >> they get....suspension of their va benfits.....loss of opportunity to be
> >> buried in a military graveyard? this #$%^%#$#@$ has to stop and someone
> in
> >> authority has to go to jail. not just get separated or  passed over for
> >> promotion. one incident like this puts our policy efforts back into the
> >> stone age. i'm ashamed. john b
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080612/ap_on_re_us/marine_youtube;_ylt=Av9MAiCYGAu1ET.1z93N5zqs0NUE
> >>
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