[Rhodes22-list] (politics) See with a little work we can reach common ground

Sat Jun 21 22:46:31 EDT 2008

Rob, where are you getting your information that "they do not want us 
there"?

Rob Lowe wrote:
> Now THAT's history written like you won't find in the books.  Thanks, John,
> for a refreshing look at it.  That's pretty much the way I understand and
> remember it too.  Yes, the Vietnamese and Chinese are long time adversaries
> and they did fight a border war after we withdrew.  Vietnam was another war
> where flawed policy and beliefs led to a war we could not win.  Uncle Ho
> wanted the invaders out of the country, be it the French, the Americans, or
> the Chinese.  An invader can not win a long term war against a determined
> foe that wants them out of there.  The examples are many.  All the colonial
> powers have withdrawn from their former colonies (anyone remember the
> Colonies vs. England?).  That's why McCain's plans for Iraq are doomed.
> I'll say it again, we can not and will not win in Iraq over the long haul.
> We invaded their country and they do not want us there.  They are tolerating
> us for now (like they have a choice, we do rule the country).  I'm very
> curious to see what happens when the UN mandate expires at the end of the
> year.  After that, the US will have no legal authority to remain in the
> country.  If the current talks between the administration and the Iraqi
> government do not result in an agreement (which sounds very iffy at the
> moment), then the next president won't have to worry about pulling out or
> not, we'll have to.  Unless the administration intends to ignore the rest of
> the worlds opinion.  Of wait, already done that.
>
> Speaking of beer, off to the bar!  Time to stop thinking and start
> drinking! - rob
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Shulick" <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] See with a little work we can reach common
> ground
>
>
>   
>> Brad,
>>
>>      I like beer too !
>>
>> As for the rest
>>
>>
>> Neither of these guys are the 'sharpest knives in the drawer'.  If McCain
>> had a clue he would have explained to his torturers, "look guys, life for
>> your friends the Chinese really sucks right now.  They've shut down all
>>     
> the
>   
>> universities and smart kids your age are out in rice paddies picking
>>     
> leeches
>   
>> off their legs.  Eventually the Chinese will quit this silly nonsense and
>> start building toasters for WalMart and you guys will be stuck making
>> underwear.  In the meantime, Uncle Ho and his buddies will kill 3 million
>>     
> of
>   
>> your countrymen and another million will head to sea and eventually in up
>>     
> in
>   
>> the US and buy of hotels and convenience stores and stuff. I apologize for
>> President Truman ignoring Uncle Ho's request for assistance back in the
>>     
> late
>   
>> 40's, but the French needed their asses pulled out of the fire again (I
>> know, you'd think saving them from the Nazi's would have been enough but
>> then we had to save them from the Communists). Why don't you guys put down
>> the sticks and let me explain a little capitalism and econ101 to you".
>>
>> Unless my knowledge is faulty I believe the backer of the North Vietnamese
>> was the old Soviet Union and not the Chinese who were busy carrying out
>> there "cultural revolution" of Mao and trying to produce iron in peasants
>> backyards. We ignored Ho's requests because french plantation owners'
>>     
> didn't
>   
>> want to lose access to their slave labor force and we were backing
>>     
> DeGaulle
>   
>> and any petty thug or warlord that promised to fight the Red Menace
>> (remember the Shaw of Iran and his secret police). After we left China and
>> Nam fought a conventional boarder war around 1980 (not totally sure of the
>> date sorry) which Nam won or now it would be a Chinese provence.
>>
>> That assumes of course that McCain understands economics himself which by
>> his own admission, isn't his strong suit. That said, I'll take someone
>>     
> with
>   
>> a weak foundation in capitalism over someone who understands Marxist
>>     
> theory
>   
>> all too well.
>>
>> I am terrified with the thought of a POTUS with a weak foundation of
>> capitalism. The U.S. had pretty much unrestrained capitalism from its
>> formation to 1932 and what was the result? 60 hr work weeks,
>> sweatshops, sharecropping, child labor, no safety standards, the company
>> store. Unrestrained capitalism is why I now have federal mine subsidence
>> insurance the superfund to clean up toxic waste dumps and its my money
>>     
> that
>   
>> is paying for this while the offspring of the Slimeballs who did this live
>> in the Hamptons and vacation in the Bahamas.  I never met either of my
>> grandfathers. both died in their 40s' form overwork in the mills that made
>> the money to build Carnegie Hall. But I did see the medallion that one of
>> them left behind that was given to him for 30 years of service, stamped
>>     
> out
>   
>> of stainless steel they were to cheap to use silver. My grandmother told
>>     
> me
>   
>> when she was young she remembers company goons kicking the door in on
>>     
> random
>   
>> searches the company carried out to make sure no employees were stealing.
>>     
> 4
>   
>> generations of people in the Pgh. area busted their butts and fought in 2
>> world wars to create the capital that then turned its back to the city and
>> found fresh slaves in Mexico and China. I'll take my chance on the
>> Obamination as you would call him because I've seen the results of
>> capitalism and unless you happen to be fortunate enough to be born into
>>     
> the
>   
>> upper classes you're pretty much screwed. Please don't bother to reply
>>     
> with
>   
>> any rags to riches bullshit stories, for every one cited  I could recite
>> 1000 others who worked just as hard and got nowhere for their efforts.
>>     
> There
>   
>> was a man named Hall who worked for Westinghouse in the late 50's or early
>> 60's who invented the process for making artificial diamonds, for his
>> discovery the company in is overwhelming gratitude awarded him a $25
>>     
> savings
>   
>> bond. Wonder how much they made on that since then?
>>
>> But I do like beer especially Pa. beer (I buy local and don't shop at
>> Chink-mart either)
>>
>> Keep em coming
>> John Shulick
>>
>>          "Resistance is futile you will be assimilated" The Borg.
>>
>>
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