[Rhodes22-list] Political - National Anthem -

Thu Mar 6 18:32:51 EST 2008

Herb,

He isn't playing to the left - he is left.  What he's playing is centrist.
The big O has a patina of Chicago political sleeze that won't go away, and
while the mainstream press won't touch him out of awe or political
correctness, the Clintons will.  This is going to be bare-knuckles politics
like we haven't seen in awhile.  I'd enjoy it more if the other guy was
someone I liked.

Brad

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:

> Yep, you're nit-picking, but I'll go with it.
>
> Frankly, I don't have much respect for a man, or a woman, that will wear
> Somali garb as a "show" of respect, when they would know that some would
> see it as a Muslim "symbol"; then turn right around and refuse to wear a
> pin that merely represents the flag of their country, with the excuse
> that they did not want it to be seen as "false patriotism". As I said in
> my previous post, there's little doubt in my mind that it was a
> political gambit, one that would win him admiration on the left, and
> little scorn on the right. Unfortunately, there are too many other
> examples that show something of a disdain for the country he's supposed
> to lead. Would you like more examples?
>
> BTW, I really DO think the SSB/no hand on the heart thing was just a
> gaffe, because he's done the opposite at other places; however, you
> cannot properly compare the flag pin to the "yellow ribbon thingy",
> unless you made a decision to REFUSE to wear it because of what you
> perceive it to mean, rather than just not bothering.
>
> The man is clearly playing to the left.
>
> Steven Alm wrote:
> > Herb,
> >
> > I may be nit picking here but I don't see the Somali garb as a "symbol"
> of
> > respect but rather a "show" of respect.  Clothing is not an iconic
> symbol
> > such as a nation's flag.  If he thinks that wearing the pin aligns him
> with
> > the other pin-wearing war-mongers, and chooses to separate himself from
> them
> > in that way, he's simply making an anti-war statement.  Personally, I
> think
> > that's a pretty half-baked way of doing it but I still think it's much
> ado
> > about nothing.  He still displays the flag prominently behind him all
> the
> > time.  I support research on AIDS but I don't wear the little yellow
> ribbon
> > thingy myself.
> >
> > Brad,
> >
> > You're right, we don't know much about him but if elected, like all
> > presidents, he'll have lots of help.  Ex:  W is not really the leader.
>  Dick
> > Cheney is.  So....if Obama wins with Hillary as V.P.  Whew!  What then?
>  At
> > least Obama's a suitable figurehead/statesman for the party which is
> > ultimately more important.
> >
> > John,
> >
> > That's a good question.  It seems the only time we hear the SSB is at
> > sporting events.  The games are us against them but we are all unified
> under
> > one song.  We used to hear it on TV at the end of the broadcast day but
> now
> > that TV is 24 hours that's gone.
> >
> > Slim
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 11:18 AM, john Belanger <jhnblngr at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> i agree, it's great to see displays like this of patriotism. when i was
> in
> >> england during the 70's, we went to the theatre one night. they sang
> god
> >> save the queen before the performance. i assume they still do that.
> what are
> >> the rules for use of the ssb here. i remember singing it in school. is
> it
> >> only sung now before sporting events?
> >>
> >> Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:  Brad,
> >>
> >> I watched/listened to it several times because it's so good and I
> >> enthusiastically passed it along to others This is what happens when
> you
> >> combine great talent and hard work with great instruction. Yes, we must
> >> also take our hats off to their teacher! If those were my students, I'd
> be
> >> mighty proud of them and quietly proud of myself as well. Maybe Cora
> will
> >> have such a chance some day. Has she started those piano lessons yet?
> >>
> >> I never heard how/if Obama responded to that but I'm pretty sure he was
> >> thinking, "I hate this country and I hate this song. If I'm elected I'm
> >> going to secretly let thousands of Muslim terrorists into the country
> so
> >> they can blow up these damned infidels and my hand not-on-heart will
> send
> >> a
> >> secret message to my brothers alerting them of my master plan."
> Seriously,
> >> I agree it was a gaff--and he has not by any means cornered the market
> on
> >> gaffs--but in all fairness have you never seen baseball players lined
> up
> >> during the SSB and not really paying attention? Have you never seen
> some
> >> one in church not folding their hands or bowing their head during a
> >> prayer?
> >> That means...what?
> >>
> >> Here's a little anecdote of my own: There was one time in my band
> >> directing
> >> years when I had to hold a conversation with somebody concerning an
> >> emergency WHILE I was conducting the SSB in front of a thousand people.
> I
> >> finished the number but I did speed it up a little toward the end. I
> >> couldn't have cared less about the music at that moment. I needed to
> get
> >> it
> >> over with so I could deal with the problem. Does that make me somehow
> less
> >> patriotic?
> >>
> >> You ask who's voting for him? Um...Brad, I know you follow the news so
> you
> >> already know the answer to that. I know he wasn't a distracted band
> leader
> >> or baseball player or in church but please tell me this is not where
> >> you're
> >> hanging your hat.
> >>
> >> Slim
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Ed,
> >>>
> >>> That brought tears to my eyes. I'd love to be at a medal presentation
> in
> >>> Beijing while the Stars and Stripes are being honored, and sing the
> >>> National
> >>> Anthem with Cora at the top of our lungs. Too much hassle - we're
> going
> >>> in
> >>> May. Who's voting for the candidate who can't be bothered with putting
> >>> his
> >>> hand over his heart?
> >>>
> >>> Brad
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Tootle wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Now on UTube:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=QKCVS57j284
> >>>>
> >>>> Big Al, I hope you have high speed access.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ed K
> >>>> Greenville, SC, USA
> >>>> --
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
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