[Rhodes22-list] Mo Gubmint - Politics & Education

[Brad Haslett]

Slim,

I'm guessing as to what you really mean.  But, let me address the "what is
important to me" question first.  The issue at hand in California is who
"owns" the children.  Most (and that includes me) feel that the parents
"own" the RESPONSIBILITY for their children and that includes the right to
oversee their education.  Both of my boys went to private schools where the
teachers didn't have 'teaching credentials' but they knew their subject
matter and knew how to teach.  If they didn't, I had two choices, pull them
out or bitch.  I did neither because 1 - they had incredible instructors,
and 2 - the school would have told me to "go pound sand" if I bitched.  The
concept of everyone having access to a public education is a wonderful thing
and I support it.  The disconnect is that many people feel they have no
control over the process and they opt out.  That choice should be
protected.

Just so you don't misunderstand my point, let me state it clearly.  Some
folks are naturally gifted teachers and some folks know a given area of
science or art very well.  When you find an individual that can combine
their knowledge of a given subject and have a natural ability to teach, it's
a wonderful thing.  Having a 'credential' means you have the patience to
listen to X hours of bullshit theory and nothing else!

BTW, I take as much pride in teaching my art and science as I do practicing
it - $100 says you do too.

Brad



On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:23 AM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:

>  "I just don't get it!  What is so
> special about a teaching credential?"
>
> Well, for one thing, there is only one in a million moms out there that
> could even begin to teach five little girls to sing the National Anthem in
> part harmony like we just heard.
> It's all about what's important to you.
>
> Slim
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Just bent <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >  I just don't get it!  What is so
> > special about a teaching credential?
> >
> > Brad,
> > carefull, you'll have the wrath of the teachers union come down on you.
> > For every student that is home school, the district loses money.
> > My guess is it's a lobbiest for the public school system who is pushing
> > this.
> > remember, follow the money and you will find the reason.
> > Jb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> > >
> > > Home schooling is not my thing but a good number of my co-workers home
> > > school.  Some do it for religious reasons but most do it because
> they're
> > > fed
> > > up with the public school monopoly and don't want to spend $10,000+
> per
> > > child for private schools.  Most of their kids have performed well on
> > > standardized tests and get into good colleges. That won't be a choice
> if
> > > California gets their way.  What is it that makes people want a
> > government
> > > that controls every aspect of their lives?  I just don't get it!  What
> > is
> > > so
> > > special about a teaching credential?  Most education textbooks are
> pure
> > > BS.
> > > Note that the LA Times goes heavy into the religion aspect.  That's
> not
> > > the
> > > primary issue with most of the people I know who home school.  Brad
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > >
> > > Ruling seen as a threat to many home-schooling families State
> appellate
> > > court says those who teach children in private must have a credential.
> > > By Seema Mehta and Mitchell Landsberg
> > > Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
> > >
> > > March 6, 2008
> > >
> > > Parents who lack teaching credentials cannot educate their children at
> > > home,
> > > according to a state appellate court ruling that is sending waves of
> > fear
> > > through California's home schooling families.
> > >
> > > Advocates for the families vowed to appeal the decision to the state
> > > Supreme
> > > Court. Enforcement until then appears unlikely, but if the ruling
> > stands,
> > > home-schooling supporters say California will have the most regressive
> > law
> > > in the nation.
> > >
> > > "This decision is a direct hit against every home schooler in
> > California,"
> > > said Brad Dacus, president of the Pacific Justice Institute, which
> > > represents the Sunland Christian School, which specializes in
> religious
> > > home
> > > schooling. "If the state Supreme Court does not reverse this . . .
> there
> > > will be nothing to prevent home-school witch hunts from being
> > implemented
> > > in
> > > every corner of the state of California."
> > >
> > > The institute estimates there are as many as 166,000 California
> students
> > > who
> > > are home schooled. State Department of Education officials say there
> is
> > no
> > > way to know the true number.
> > >
> > > Unlike at least 30 other states, home schooling is not specifically
> > > addressed in California law. Under the state education code, students
> > must
> > > be enrolled in a public or private school, or can be taught at home by
> a
> > > credentialed tutor.
> > >
> > > The California Department of Education currently allows home schooling
> > as
> > > long as parents file paperwork with the state establishing themselves
> as
> > > small private schools, hire credentialed tutors or enroll their
> children
> > > in
> > > independent study programs run by charter or private schools or public
> > > school districts while still teaching at home.
> > >
> > > California does little to enforce those provisions and insists it is
> the
> > > local school districts' responsibility. In addition, state education
> > > officials say some parents home school their children without the
> > > knowledge
> > > of any entity.
> > >
> > > Home schoolers and government officials have largely accepted this
> murky
> > > arrangement.
> > >
> > > "This works so well, I don't see any reason to change it," said J.
> > Michael
> > > Smith, president of the Virginia-based Home School Legal Defense Assn.
> > >
> > > The appellate court ruling stems from a case involving Lynwood parents
> > > Phillip and Mary Long, who were repeatedly referred to the Los Angeles
> > > County Department of Children and Family Services over various
> > > allegations,
> > > including claims of physical abuse, involving some of their eight
> > > children.
> > >
> > > All of the children are currently or had been enrolled in Sunland
> > > Christian
> > > School, where they would occasionally take tests, but were educated in
> > > their
> > > home by their mother, Phillip Long said.
> > >
> > > A lawyer appointed to represent two of the Long's young children
> > requested
> > > that the court require them to physically attend a public or private
> > > school
> > > where adults could monitor their well-being. A trial court disagreed,
> > but
> > > the children's lawyer appealed to the 2nd District Court of Appeal,
> > which
> > > has jurisdiction over Los Angeles, Ventura, Santa Barbara and San Luis
> > > Obispo counties.
> > >
> > > The appellate panel ruled that Sunland officials' occasional
> monitoring
> > of
> > > the Longs' home schooling -- with the children taking some tests at
> the
> > > school -- is insufficient to qualify as being enrolled in a private
> > > school.
> > > Since Mary Long does not have a teaching credential, the family is
> > > violating
> > > state laws, the ruling said.
> > >
> > > "Parents do not have a constitutional right to home school their
> > > children,"
> > > wrote Justice H. Walter Croskey in a Feb. 28 opinion signed by the two
> > > other
> > > members of the district court. "Parents who fail to [comply with
> school
> > > enrollment laws] may be subject to a criminal complaint against them,
> > > found
> > > guilty of an infraction, and subject to imposition of fines or an
> order
> > to
> > > complete a parent education and counseling program."
> > >
> > > Phillip Long said he believes the ruling stems from hostility against
> > > Christians and vowed to appeal to the state Supreme Court.
> > >
> > > "I have sincerely held religious beliefs," he said. "Public schools
> > > conflict
> > > with that. I have to go with what my conscience requires me."
> > >
> > > Public schools teach such topics as evolution, which Long said he
> > doesn't
> > > believe in. He said his wife spends six hours each day teaching their
> > > children reading, writing, math, science, health, physical education,
> > > Bible
> > > and social studies. Court papers say Mary Long's education ended at
> 11th
> > > grade.
> > >
> > > It's unclear if the ruling will be enforced, given the likely appeals.
> > > Typically, these rulings take effect 30 days after they are issued.
> > >
> > > Other organizations that plan to get involved include the Pacific
> > Justice
> > > Institute, Home School Legal Defense Assn. and the Home School Assn.
> of
> > > California.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, state Department of Education's attorneys are reviewing the
> > > ruling.
> > >
> > > Teachers union officials will also be closely monitoring the appeal.
> A.J
> > .
> > > Duffy, president of United Teachers Los Angeles, said he agrees with
> the
> > > ruling.
> > >
> > > "What's best for a child is to be taught by a credentialed teacher,"
> he
> > > said.
> > >
> > > While many educators and officials remained unfamiliar with the ruling
> > > Tuesday, news about it has been sweeping websites and blogs devoted to
> > > home
> > > schooling. Organizations have been getting tense phone calls from
> > parents
> > > worried that they will be targeted.
> > >
> > > Families who home school includethose whose religious beliefs conflict
> > > with
> > > public schools and those whose children are in the entertainment
> > industry
> > > or
> > > have other time-consuming activities that require them to study at an
> > > individualized pace.
> > >
> > > Glenn and Kathleen, a Sacramento-area couple who requested that their
> > last
> > > name not be used for fear of prosecution, home school their 9-year-old
> > son
> > > Hunter because their Christian beliefs would be contradicted in a
> public
> > > school setting, Glenn said. He is troubled by the idea that his son
> > would
> > > be
> > > exposed to teachings about evolution, homosexuality, same-sex marriage
> > and
> > > sex education .
> > >
> > > "I want to have control over what goes in my son's head, not what's
> put
> > in
> > > there by people who might be on the far left who have their own ideas
> > > about
> > > indoctrinating kids," he said.
> > >
> > > If the ruling takes effect, Glenn vowed to move his family out of
> state.
> > > "If
> > > I can't home school my son in California, we're going to have to end
> up
> > > leaving California. That's how important it is to me."
> > >
> > > seema.mehta at latimes.com
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