[Rhodes22-list] Ron Lipton's Political Glee

[Robert Skinner]

Hank -

And it was Sommers, I believe, who was president 
of Harvard and was taken to task and busted out 
of the presidency for recognizing that when viewed 
as groups, women's cognitive aparatus differs a 
bit from that of men.  Not better or worse, just 
different.

Like most segregations, this is a matter of 
balancing social needs with good sense.  But where 
can men go these days to be out of the view of 
women?  Even the locker room is not sacrosanct.

/Robert
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Hank wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> 
> Your facts are a little off.  The gym is available to ALL women, not just
> muslim women.  Although muslim women were the reason for the change.
> According to AP  "No men are allowed in the gym between 3 p.m. and 5 p.m. on
> Mondays, and between 8 a.m. and 10 a.m on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Even the
> staff during those times is all women."
> 
> Two hours a day for three days a week is not unreasonable in my point of
> view.
> 
> Hank
> 
> On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Ed,
> >
> > Funny you should mention this:
> >
> > -I rather look to Bill Buckley's comment, "I'd rather entrust the
> > government
> > of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston
> > telephone
> > directory than to the faculty of Harvard University." -
> >
> > Harvard recently set aside specific hours for Muslim women to use a
> > Harvard
> > University pool segregated for only Muslim women.  Didn't we have a
> > movement
> > in US during the 60's to end segregated water fountains and bus seats in
> > the
> > US?  So much for the Progressive movement.
> >
> > I'm off on a different mission this morning.  There was an attempted
> > hijacking in Xinjiang province over the weekend, an apparent attempt to
> > disrupt the planning for the Beijing games.  The crew was able to
> > apprehend
> > the bad guys and land short.  We know some people in the government there
> > and I'm anxious to get their opinion before they go to bed.
> >
> > Ah yes, 'the religion of peace'.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Ron's glee about the winning candidate suggests that having a Ph.D.
> > makes
> > > a
> > > person more qualified to lead that someone who is a high school dropout.
> > >
> > > I take exception to that elitist concept.  Many Mennonites only have a
> > > grade
> > > school level of academic achievement.  Yet I trust those guys who make
> > up
> > > their convoys of church members going  to devastated areas and go about
> > > cleaning up and rebuilding without Federal Government assistance.
> > >
> > > I rather look to Bill Buckley's comment, "I'd rather entrust the
> > > government
> > > of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston
> > > telephone
> > > directory than to the faculty of Harvard University."
> > >
> > > Good judgment in things subjects outside of ones area of expertise is
> > not
> > > a
> > > given, nor an absolute.  It does not follow that because one has
> > attained
> > > a
> > > high level of achievement in science that person will exercise
> > commiserate
> > > quality of decision making in things political.
> > >
> > > In some scientific endeavors today, things have become very bureaucratic
> > > in
> > > substance.  Ph.D.'s very jobs and dreams are based on political
> > decisions.
> > > In plain English, often their perspective of what is right or best is
> > > vested
> > > in their jobs, or their views of world from their educated perspective.
> > >  In
> > > truth, sometimes that perspective is self serving to a particularly
> > narrow
> > > constituency.
> > >
> > > I rather also consider that if they were truly above average ability,
> > that
> > > they could go out and create.  You know, take a dream of a small
> > sailboat,
> > > make it and sell it.  Create where nothing or lesser things were before.
> > > Take the whole world up a notch.
> > >
> > > The above is done without government direction, but in an environment
> > > maintained by a government.  Yes we need a sheriff to keep evil from
> > > killing
> > > good people.  But, no, government is not the answer to nor the most
> > > efficient and effective way to a higher level of civilization.
> > >
> > > "It is not our affluence, or our plumbing, or our clogged freeways that
> > > grip
> > > the imagination of others.  Rather, it is the values upon which our
> > system
> > > is built."  J. William Fulbright
> > >
> > > Ed K
> > > Greenville, SC, USA
> > >
> > >
> > > Tootle wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ron:
> > > >
> > > > I will reply to your glee.  Understanding your educational level, and
> > > your
> > > > friends, I would suggest that academic achievement may or may not be
> > > > relevant.
> > > >
> > > > Too me, the most important criterion is an effort to be honest.   For
> > > some
> > > > even with religious background, simple honesty does not matter.
> > > >
> > > > You said, "It is nice to know that people of real quality can go into
> > > > politics
> > > > and succeed."
> > > >
> > > > That is a defining statement.  Does quality mean integrity?  Recently,
> > a
> > > > friend of mine lost his wife.  I have known him and her since the
> > early
> > > > 1970's.  He is a man of integrity, notwithstanding he is very liberal
> > in
> > > > some areas.  I worked for several of his campaigns.  During his time
> > in
> > > > Washington as Secretary of Education a U. S. Senate seat came open.  I
> > > was
> > > > deeply afraid that he might actually run for it.  Because at that
> > point
> > > I
> > > > doubted I could be a foot soldier in that campaign.  But alas, he
> > chose
> > > > not too, but rather returned to South Carolina to write and teach.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect, but never asked him if part of his reasoning for easing out
> > > of
> > > > politics was the moral quality of those he associated with.  So then,
> > do
> > > > you consider Bill Clinton a man of real quality?
> > > >
> > > > I have posted this standard that we should expect from elected
> > officials
> > > > as a subscript several times:
> > > > " The people have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible,
> > > > divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge - I
> > mean
> > > of
> > > > the character and conduct of their rulers"   John Adams
> > > >
> > > > I hope your friend is a man of integrity first.  What say yea?
> > > >
> > > > Ed K
> > > > Greenville, SC, USA
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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