[Rhodes22-list] Slimmy - it is on the label (Big Al a polical reply!- but do you live in a state where you have integrity problems with governors?)

Tue Mar 25 06:43:39 EDT 2008

Slim said, "Why not call him a white man?"  Because he claims to be a Black
man!  He claims he is a minority.

Guilt by association?  Are you saying that Eliot Spitzer in not guilty by
assoication?  Regarding his 'association with the Chicago developer -
landlord', he chose his business associates freely.  He could have
represented the tenants couldn't he?  Only they could not donate millions
for campains...

The brother represents another issue, we will have to wait for Brad to
supply details.  However, it will be discussed if he gets the nomination. 
How can not be?

Slim said, "(Wright) is not wrong when he says America is controlled by rich
white men
to the exclusion of blacks."  Have you taken the time to read, "Black Titan:
A.G. Gaston and the Making of a Black American Millionaire" by Carol Jenkins
and Elizabeth Gardner Hines.  Or try something in less depth, "Black
Enterprise Titans of the B.E. 100s: Black CEOs Who Redefined and Conquered
American Business" by Derek T. Dingle.  The point is your statement is a
half truth.  

Slim further said, "I think Obama made that very clear in his now-famous
speech addressing race in
America.  The only road to success is to be positive instead of divisive." 
It is easy to be 'positive' as you use the word when you use only half
truths.  I know many 'Black' republicans in of all places South Carolina. 
For the most part there is no question about their integrity as there is
with O'bama.  To be called a racist when asking questions about where a
politician stands on issues smacks of the "Big Lie" used by Communist and
their 'Fellow Travelers'!

It is time for you to do some serious reading, get a copy of the Federalist
Papers or at least a book thereon.  Understand what America really is about. 
To hide before us all stating that you are a musician is a facade that does
not stand.  So I challange you where your man did not challange his pastor.

"The people have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine
right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge - I mean of the
character and conduct of their rulers”   John Adams 

Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA

Steven Alm wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> 
> Let me get this straight.  You think Obama's toast because he knows some
> one
> who's angry about the black experience in America?  Or he knows some one
> who
> knows some one who knows some one who likes Farrakhan?  This guilt by
> association is a lot of BS.  Do you really think Obama's a racist
> extremist?  Do you really think he's a Muslim?  A commy?  Do you really
> think he has some hidden, anti-American agenda?  First, he's just as much
> white as he is black.  Why not call him a white man?  Next, let's remember
> that the USA has not exactly been kind to blacks and I think it's pretty
> easy for us white folks to dismiss Rev. Wright's comments as racist, but
> he
> (Wright) is not wrong when he says America is controlled by rich white men
> to the exclusion of blacks.  If you were black, I'm sure you'd have a
> whole
> different take on the American experience.  But it's almost impossible for
> the typical white person to see that.
> 
> I do not use the word "typical" lightly.  Neither does Obama.  Of course
> there is such a thing.  We all have our own bias.  It's like the default
> setting on your computer.  If you told me a story about a person who... I
> would automatically think you're telling me about a middle-aged,
> middle-class white male because that's my default bias.  I can't change
> that.  I can't change who I am.  And of course there's nothing wrong with
> that.  It's when you get to the stereotypes and prejudice (root word is
> pre-judge) that we get into trouble.  This is where Rev. Wright got into
> trouble--by letting his bias lean into the stereotypes and prejudice and I
> think Obama made that very clear in his now-famous speech addressing race
> in
> America.  The only road to success is to be positive instead of divisive.
> 
> I know what the right is asking here--how can you damn America when she's
> sending you a welfare check every month?  The left is saying we wouldn't
> have to send the checks if we didn't have such an inhospitable environment
> for them.  This paradox will not be solved anytime soon but I truly
> believe
> Obama's got the issue well-organized in his head and has the guts to fight
> the good fight against this ugly monster of racism that is still so
> prevalent in our great but could be greater country.
> 
> To put it in another perspective, my own dear old dad is a
> dyed-in-the-wool
> right winger and many times I've heard him utter extremely racist remarks,
> the specifics of which I'm far too polite to repeat here.  Were I a
> candidate and his remarks were leaked to the public, I suppose my campaign
> would be over.  After all, he's not merely my pastor, he's my flesh and
> blood.  I could hardly deny that he's been my mentor.  I love my dad no
> matter what trash he talks but many would conclude that I'm a racist too
> by
> association.  Is that fair?
> 
> Next question: who said the world is fair?  Maybe you're right, Brad, and
> he
> is toast because of this.  Or maybe the general population forgets all
> about
> this by the time of the general election.  People have pretty short
> memories.  Either way it doesn't speak very well for the typical American
> voter if they vote one way or the other based on this single issue.  Many
> will not vote for Obama because he's (half) black.  Many will not vote for
> HillBilly because she's female.  Many will not vote for McCain because
> he's
> old.  I think you're in the minority though if you're voting
> *for*something--most people vote
> *against* something--myself included--I'll be voting against the incumbent
> party.
> 
> Slim
> 
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> 
>>
>> Captain Rummy,
>>    The list is quiet because of the weather.  Brad sailed his boat to his
>> house... And how much snow did you get this afternoon?  It was snowing in
>> Wahalla around 2 P.M.
>>
>>     Maybe all the snow in Upstate New York has kept the New York Rhodies
>> quiet about their former Governor and for that matter their current
>> Governor...  Apparently they both have the same problem, only one was
>> caught
>> by wire tap...
>>
>> Brad,
>>
>>     Come on now, Obama is not toast.  He still has some Rhodies in his
>> following.  You never heard those Rhodies disclaim him.  They probably
>> enjoyed Rev. Wright's sermons.  You should send those sermons to Bill
>> Effros
>> and ask him to comment.  Maybe those Rhodies can get Rev. Wright to
>> preach
>> at their boat launchings.  They probably enjoy those UTubes:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJB-qkfUHc&feature=related
>>
>> See this:
>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p16262834/cloth.gif cloth.gif
>>
>>
>> Ed K
>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously, the list is slow to take advantage of 'global warming' and not
>> starting the season early.  I'll take advantage of the lull and fire some
>> shots at something other than squirrels.
>>
>> Economy - Business runs in cycles, get it?  There's always the 'next best
>> thing' and when it falls flat on its ass, there's always 'the next best
>> thing'.  If you have half a brain you understand this cycle.  If you have
>> 1/4 a brain, you worry about recessions.  Don't believe anything anyone
>> says
>> about our current economy.  We're in a recession!  Either the sky is
>> falling
>> or stocks are on sale!  I'm buying!
>>
>> Politics - Obama is toast!  You don't win 'white' votes lecturing them on
>> how their grandmother was a 'racist'.  This guy will be lucky to get
>> re-elected to the Senate from Illinois.  Trust me on this, a lot of
>> people
>> in downstate IL would love to have their vote back.  He doesn't stand a
>> chance in the general as POTUS and is a footnote in Illinois politics as
>> well.
>>
>> Sailing - the cost is going up!  Sails are made from oil based products
>> and
>> you'll see the price increases at replacement time.  On the other hand,
>> my
>> fuel budget for five years of sailing is still less than $200 (not
>> counting
>> the cost of getting to/from the boat).  Just when you lose faith in the
>> world, you realize there are a few good men like Stan Spitzer who build a
>> superior product that everyone can enjoy.
>>
>> Have a nice day and 'don't worry, be happy!"
>>
>> Brad
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