[Rhodes22-list] This day in history

Fri May 2 18:46:14 EDT 2008

Brad,

He seems to do much better when he isn't reading prepared remarks.  Why 
didn't they give W the "sign" to "swing away" before?  He has been much more 
interesting to listen to (and funny), of late.  What changed?

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:27 PM
>I think both Herb and W are capable of defending themselves, so I'll let
> them.  Here's an example of the latter.
>
> http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/fish_barrel_bang/straighttalk_bu.php
>
> Today I read an account of a soldier at a town hall meeting in North
> Carolina.  He had just returned from Iraq and related his pride of serving
> and his unit's accomplishments. He said, "I didn't know we were losing the
> war until I returned home".  Those of us who follow the war closely do
> notice a disconnect between the MSM coverage and the observations of those
> on the frontline.
>
> Brad
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Herb,
>>
>> I tried to listen and make sense of your reasoning, obviously without
>> success.
>>
>> If you wish to enlighten me (or anyone else who is still reading this
>> thread), you may choose to respond but please try to state your argument
>> carefully and without insult.
>>
>> Sometimes, I wonder if you just bait some of us so that you can attempt 
>> to
>> belittle us with your response.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>>
>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008
>> 5:55
>> PM
>> > Nope, you missed again.
>> >
>> > But I DO want to make sure I understand YOU correctly.
>> >
>> > You interpret my statement the way you wish (incorrectly, I might add),
>> > then stand in amazement.
>> >
>> > So, your thoughts amaze you.
>> >
>> > I'm not surprised.
>> >
>> > Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> >> Herb,
>> >>
>> >> I think that you are trying to make the following argument:
>> >>
>> >> If a statement about someone else (not a list member) offends you due
>> to
>> >> your beliefs, that makes the statement inconsiderate (of you) and
>> should
>> >> therefore be treated the same as an insult directed at a list member.
>> >>
>> >> Herb, you never cease to amaze me.  I would have expected that kind of
>> >> reasoning from some others but not you.  Sorry, maybe I still
>> >> misunderstand
>> >> you.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> >> Nissequogue River, NY
>> >>
>> >> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Friday, May 02,
>> 2008
>> >> 4:41 PM
>> >>
>> >>> Sorry Michael. Maybe you misunderstood my reaction. I was offended.
>> >>> Thus, the message about the President wasn't very "considerate". I
>> agree
>> >>> that criticism of the President has become a sport. One shouldn't 
>> >>> play
>> >>> unless they're ready to play.
>> >>>
>> >>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Herb,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I agree with you that respect for the President (whether or not I
>> voted
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> him) is required.  Even if I disagree with his performance, actions,
>> >>>> etc.
>> >>>> he
>> >>>> is THE PRESIDENT.  Criticism of the President has become a "sport" 
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> this
>> >>>> country (just tune in to late night TV comedians) and is permitted 
>> >>>> by
>> >>>> most
>> >>>> of us as a freedom, whether you and I support it or not.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Unfortunately, the problem that you cite is not covered by the list
>> >>>> charter.
>> >>>> The charter states "Netiquette: Posts to the group are expected to 
>> >>>> be
>> >>>> considerate of other readers."  Unless POTUS is a member of this
>> list,
>> >>>> your
>> >>>> objection is unfounded, while offending those who are members of "da
>> >>>> list"
>> >>>> is clearly forbidden.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Mike
>> >>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Friday, May 02,
>> 2008
>> >>>> 4:14
>> >>>> PM
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> OK folks.Where the admonitions about "personal attacks." Some idiot
>> >>>>> gets
>> >>>>> on here and calls the President of the Nation a "son of a bitch",
>> and
>> >>>>> that's OK. However, calling Robert a loser because of his pathetic
>> >>>>> Bush-hating nonsense is somehow bad bad stuff.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Rob,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Not true. Many of us have questioned his military service, but 
>> >>>>>> have
>> >>>>>> never
>> >>>>>> been given the straight answers. It seems that privileged children
>> >>>>>> live
>> >>>>>> privileged lives, even in the military. Since it's already Friday
>> and
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>> have a  ton
>> >>>>>> of yard wok to do this weekend and won't be actively on the list, 
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>> will
>> >>>>>> leave
>> >>>>>> with this parting comment. Our current president is the dumbest 
>> >>>>>> son
>> >>>>>> of
>> >>>>>> a
>> >>>>>> bitch that's ever taken the oath of office. History will back me 
>> >>>>>> up
>> >>>>>> on
>> >>>>>> this.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Rummy
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:44:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> >>>>>> rlowe at vt.edu
>> >>>>>> writes:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Nobody  questioned his service, Herb.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>> From:  "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>> >>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:34  AM
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] This day in history
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> And,  I'll add, bitch all you want to about his politics. When 
>> >>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>> insult
>> >>>>>>>  his service, you're being a jerk. THAT was what was pathetic.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>  Brad Haslett wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Rob,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Herb's a big  boy and can defend himself, so I'll let him.  I 
>> >>>>>>>> too
>> >>>>>>>> feel
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> his
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>  > frustrations at times though.  The carrier landing was a
>> >>>>>>> celebration
>> >>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> men and women who had been at sea for a good long  while in
>> support
>> >>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Iraqi liberation. They were honored to  have been visited by
>> their
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Commander
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> in Chief and it showed on  their faces.  President Bush didn't
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> immediately
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> rush for  the Admiral's quarters, he spent a lot of time with 
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 'grunts'
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>  > taking photos, hugging them, etc.  It was obvious they loved
>> >>>>>>> having
>> >>>>>>> him
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> aboard and watching it live made me proud to be an  American.
>>  Was
>> >>>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>> political event as well?   Everything a politician does is a
>> >>>>>>>> political
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> event.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>  > Today's newspaper is the first draft of history and often 
>> >>>>>>> wrong
>> >>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> reporting and analysis.  Go read a newspaper from 1948  to 1952
>> and
>> >>>>>>>> see
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> how
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> popular Truman was at the time.  Some  people are so jaded by
>> their
>> >>>>>>>> BDS
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> (Bush
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Derangement Syndrome)  that they can't see anything positive in
>> >>>>>>>> anything.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> You
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> are  probably a classic case.  Bush's term is almost over and it
>> >>>>>>>> might
>> >>>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>> time for everyone to move on to tomorrow's problems.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>  >
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Let me say this - when I think critics are taking delight in 
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> difficulty
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> and losses our military is encountering because  it suits their
>> >>>>>>>> political
>> >>>>>>>> slant, it pisses me off to no end.  Frankly, I don't think we
>> >>>>>>>> should
>> >>>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>> engaged in 2/3rds of the  deployments we did under Clinton, and 
>> >>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>> didn't
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> still don't  like the Clintons.  That said, I want to see any
>> >>>>>>>> engagement
>> >>>>>>>>  where we put our troops in harm's way to go well regardless of
>> how
>> >>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>> may
>> >>>>>>>> personally feel about the commander.  My guess is, Herb  gets
>> upset
>> >>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> same reasons I do.  Bitch about Bush  is you want, it's a free
>> >>>>>>>> country.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> men and women on that  boat that day risked their lives so you
>> can
>> >>>>>>>> do
>> >>>>>>>> so.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>  Brad
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
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