[Rhodes22-list] This day in history
napoli68 at charter.net
napoli68 at charter.net
Sat May 3 00:00:54 EDT 2008
I gotta say this,
Regarding insulting those off the list and how they can't defend themself, well fine I'vegot not problem with that. But that means no more pot shots at the Clintons, Obama, hari Krishnas and W. Agreed? or is it like the squirels, lure them in and givem both barrles?
Chris G
---- Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> Good grife Michael, go back and read his posts, then come back with
> nonsense about "baiting". As I said, there was no attempt on his part
> for discussion.
>
> No, I'm not making a blanket statement that anyone that is offended by
> something means that someone else is breaking the rules. However,
> there's little doubt in my mind that he KNEW he was baiting (and
> insulting) when he posted those statements.
>
> Even that, though, doesn't really boil down my belief, maybe this will.
>
> If I say yessir and nosir to someone, I can be offended, or even feign
> offense, if they refer to me as "dude". However, if I refer to you as a
> jerk behind your back, I can't claim offense if someone says to me
> "you're the jerk".
>
> In short, if insults are the total content of the discussion (as it was
> in the case of Rob's second post, the first was devoid of discussion),
> then one shouldn't offended at insulting discussion.
>
> Maybe you can find the fault in that logic.
>
>
> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> > Herb,
> >
> > I tried to listen and make sense of your reasoning, obviously without
> > success.
> >
> > If you wish to enlighten me (or anyone else who is still reading this
> > thread), you may choose to respond but please try to state your argument
> > carefully and without insult.
> >
> > Sometimes, I wonder if you just bait some of us so that you can attempt to
> > belittle us with your response.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> >
> > From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:55
> > PM
> >
> >> Nope, you missed again.
> >>
> >> But I DO want to make sure I understand YOU correctly.
> >>
> >> You interpret my statement the way you wish (incorrectly, I might add),
> >> then stand in amazement.
> >>
> >> So, your thoughts amaze you.
> >>
> >> I'm not surprised.
> >>
> >> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> >>
> >>> Herb,
> >>>
> >>> I think that you are trying to make the following argument:
> >>>
> >>> If a statement about someone else (not a list member) offends you due to
> >>> your beliefs, that makes the statement inconsiderate (of you) and should
> >>> therefore be treated the same as an insult directed at a list member.
> >>>
> >>> Herb, you never cease to amaze me. I would have expected that kind of
> >>> reasoning from some others but not you. Sorry, maybe I still
> >>> misunderstand
> >>> you.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>
> >>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008
> >>> 4:41 PM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Sorry Michael. Maybe you misunderstood my reaction. I was offended.
> >>>> Thus, the message about the President wasn't very "considerate". I agree
> >>>> that criticism of the President has become a sport. One shouldn't play
> >>>> unless they're ready to play.
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Herb,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I agree with you that respect for the President (whether or not I voted
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> him) is required. Even if I disagree with his performance, actions,
> >>>>> etc.
> >>>>> he
> >>>>> is THE PRESIDENT. Criticism of the President has become a "sport" in
> >>>>> this
> >>>>> country (just tune in to late night TV comedians) and is permitted by
> >>>>> most
> >>>>> of us as a freedom, whether you and I support it or not.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unfortunately, the problem that you cite is not covered by the list
> >>>>> charter.
> >>>>> The charter states "Netiquette: Posts to the group are expected to be
> >>>>> considerate of other readers." Unless POTUS is a member of this list,
> >>>>> your
> >>>>> objection is unfounded, while offending those who are members of "da
> >>>>> list"
> >>>>> is clearly forbidden.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike
> >>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008
> >>>>> 4:14
> >>>>> PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> OK folks.Where the admonitions about "personal attacks." Some idiot
> >>>>>> gets
> >>>>>> on here and calls the President of the Nation a "son of a bitch", and
> >>>>>> that's OK. However, calling Robert a loser because of his pathetic
> >>>>>> Bush-hating nonsense is somehow bad bad stuff.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Rob,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Not true. Many of us have questioned his military service, but have
> >>>>>>> never
> >>>>>>> been given the straight answers. It seems that privileged children
> >>>>>>> live
> >>>>>>> privileged lives, even in the military. Since it's already Friday and
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>> have a ton
> >>>>>>> of yard wok to do this weekend and won't be actively on the list, I
> >>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>> leave
> >>>>>>> with this parting comment. Our current president is the dumbest son
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> bitch that's ever taken the oath of office. History will back me up
> >>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>> this.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Rummy
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:44:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>>>>>> rlowe at vt.edu
> >>>>>>> writes:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nobody questioned his service, Herb.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:34 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] This day in history
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And, I'll add, bitch all you want to about his politics. When you
> >>>>>>>> insult
> >>>>>>>> his service, you're being a jerk. THAT was what was pathetic.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Rob,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Herb's a big boy and can defend himself, so I'll let him. I too
> >>>>>>>>> feel
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > frustrations at times though. The carrier landing was a
> >>>>>>>> celebration
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> men and women who had been at sea for a good long while in support
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Iraqi liberation. They were honored to have been visited by their
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Commander
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> in Chief and it showed on their faces. President Bush didn't
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> immediately
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> rush for the Admiral's quarters, he spent a lot of time with the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 'grunts'
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > taking photos, hugging them, etc. It was obvious they loved
> >>>>>>>> having
> >>>>>>>> him
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> aboard and watching it live made me proud to be an American. Was
> >>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> political event as well? Everything a politician does is a
> >>>>>>>>> political
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> event.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > Today's newspaper is the first draft of history and often wrong
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> reporting and analysis. Go read a newspaper from 1948 to 1952 and
> >>>>>>>>> see
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> how
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> popular Truman was at the time. Some people are so jaded by their
> >>>>>>>>> BDS
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> (Bush
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Derangement Syndrome) that they can't see anything positive in
> >>>>>>>>> anything.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> are probably a classic case. Bush's term is almost over and it
> >>>>>>>>> might
> >>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>> time for everyone to move on to tomorrow's problems.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Let me say this - when I think critics are taking delight in the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> difficulty
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> and losses our military is encountering because it suits their
> >>>>>>>>> political
> >>>>>>>>> slant, it pisses me off to no end. Frankly, I don't think we
> >>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> engaged in 2/3rds of the deployments we did under Clinton, and I
> >>>>>>>>> didn't
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> still don't like the Clintons. That said, I want to see any
> >>>>>>>>> engagement
> >>>>>>>>> where we put our troops in harm's way to go well regardless of how
> >>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> may
> >>>>>>>>> personally feel about the commander. My guess is, Herb gets upset
> >>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> same reasons I do. Bitch about Bush is you want, it's a free
> >>>>>>>>> country.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> men and women on that boat that day risked their lives so you can
> >>>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>> so.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Brad
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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