[Rhodes22-list] This day in history
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Mon May 5 15:30:41 EDT 2008
Slim,
You change the argument. The question wasn't whether or not he was
average, the question was whether or not he was dumb.
You information about your sister in law is interesting, but not quite
factual. There IS a different standard to which those at Yale (or any
other Ivy-League college) are held. I will restate what I said before -
Chances are slim you'll get into Yale if you're "Dumb". Chances are just
about non-existent that you'll graduate. Same for the MBA at Harvard.
I never said he'd have to be a genius to fly a plane. We're talking
extremes here. You went from dumb to genius. You're question shouldn't
have been "is it possible for a man with average intelligence to learn
to fly?", but more appropriately "is it possible for the dumbest son of
a bitch to ever take office to learn to fly", but not "just to fly", but
to fly a supersonic fighter jet.
Watch what the answers are, but I suspect it won't make a difference.
You're ignoring the fact that he was one of the most popular (and
successful) governor's that Texas has had in a long time.
As to you not seeing "one shred of evidence that he "is any smarter than
the average shmuck" (again, different that being "dumb), you may not
have seen the evidence, but people saw enough in him to vote him into
the office - twice. And THAT is the measure we use to decide whether or
not he has what it takes to be President.
In short, nothing you've said here shows he's the dummy that the
Bush-haters would like him to be. As a matter of fact, it just sounds
like so much more "I didn't get my way".
As a fair comparison, we could talk about Clinton, a man who made many
promises about bringing perpetrators of terror to justice, who also
failed. Who exercised the lack of judgement to cheat on his wife, leave
physical evidence, then lie about it, not only to the American people,
but under oath.And what did he ever really "do" besides be a lawyer and
a politician.
As I said. I'm no fan of the man, but he's no dummy. You don't get where
these people are by being dummies, no matter how much an average Joe, or
even a few million of them, dislike you.
Steven Alm wrote:
> Re Bush is a dumb ass. To illustrate my point I'll mention my sister-in-law
> is an anthropology professor, PhD, Fulbright Scholar and one of the most
> intelligent people I know, taught at Yale for a number of years. She said
> the students who came through were pushy, demanding and full of
> entitlement. In other words, snotty, rich brats. She did not say they were
> all smart. Presumably they were not all dummies either. Like everything
> else, some are high on the scale and some not so much. She now teaches back
> home here in Minnesota and guess what? Her students here read the same
> books, are assigned the same homework, write the same term papers, held to
> the same standards and are graded under the same scrutiny as her students at
> Yale. No teachers dumb down their work because they're NOT at an ivy league
> school. Conversely we can conclude that students at Yale are not
> necessarily put through any more rigor than those at the University of
> Minnesota. Because Bush graduated from an ivy league school with a C
> average does not mean he's smart. Take away his daddy and all that money
> and privilege and all those connections and Georgie graduates with a C
> average from North Texas State instead.
>
> He was a pilot. I'm not, but again I presume it's like everything else.
> Some are high on the scale and some not so much. I'll defer to the pilots
> here on the Rhodes list: is it possible for a man with average intelligence
> to learn to fly? I'm sure he worked hard to learn and by no means do I
> belittle the rigor of flight training, but I know there's a big difference
> between being a reserve pilot and an ace. I don't recall hearing anything
> about him winning any awards, honors, medals or any great success flying any
> dangerous missions. He saw no combat. In fact it's rumored that he went
> AWOL. I know that's only rumor but I'm unaware of any evidence that he
> distinguished himself as a great pilot either. I don't see how his
> (questionable) service record qualifies him as any genius.
>
> I think a better measure of a man's intelligence is the man himself. How he
> presents himself, how he writes (Bush is the first and only president whose
> never published anything) how he speaks (the poor guy can barely put a
> sentence together) and his decision-making. hmmmmm...
>
> He failed in the oil business. Not sure how he did with the Texas Rangers
> but they didn't win any championships. What good is this guy, really?
> What's to like? Herb likes that he does what he says he's going to do.
> Well, he said he would bring the perpetrators of 9-11 to justice. Hasn't
> happened. Instead, looks what a mess created in the middle east. He's
> getting everybody EXCEPT the perps.
>
> I do respect the office of president but I don't see one shred of evidence
> that this guy is any smarter than the average shmuck and that's just not
> good enough to be president. He's not smart--he's lucky. Again, take away
> Daddy and is he still the president? Not in a million years.
>
> Slim
>
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Rummy,
>>
>> Don't forget the business cycle - what goes around comes around! I cashed
>> in some of my international chips to buy my airplane (worse than boats for
>> money pits, definitely not investing). Commodities are at a 200 year high
>> because of demand from India and China. They have their own cycle as
>> well.
>> China has significant problems to face down the road and can't keep the
>> current pace going forever. I manage a pretty good chunk of change for a
>> Chinese investor (who has a similar education as mine, an accounting
>> degree
>> in China with a US MBA from a high profile school) in US muni-bonds - same
>> deal as you in reverse. It's all in the eyes of the beholder. If I knew
>> where the market was going to be in a year I'd be out shopping for a
>> Gulfstream instead of busting knuckles on an old Bonanza.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:42 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Brad,
>>> The code isn't difficult to break. Just take a look at the global
>>>
>> economy
>>
>>> and see who and where the money is being spent. Natural resources such
>>>
>> as
>>
>>> steel
>>> as an example. China and India are buying steel at an incredible rate.
>>> Then
>>> there is the shipping company's and the company's that build the ships.
>>> Enough
>>> said.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 5/5/2008 7:34:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> Rummy,
>>>
>>> Congrats! You broke the code. In the long run, the US economy is a
>>>
>> safe
>>
>>> bet but I've been about a third vested in international for over a
>>>
>> decade
>>
>>> and it's worked out as a good hedge. The dollar just started moving up
>>> against the euro last week and traders are placing their bets on the
>>> dollar's rise. Defining exactly what is international isn't exactly
>>> easy.
>>> My employer does business worldwide, same as GE, Boeing, etc. Good
>>>
>> luck.
>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:26 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Brad,
>>>> The answer to where my investments are held is that they are not in
>>>>
>>> this
>>>
>>>> country. Our economy is way to unstable at this time.
>>>> I am invested in international company's.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2008 9:52:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Earth to Frone,
>>>>
>>>> Did you catch the snippet from Rummy the other day that his
>>>>
>>> investments
>>>
>>>> were
>>>> doing well? You think he invested in Castro's Cuba or the country
>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>> dumbass Bush destroyed?
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:13 PM, <FCrawford0707 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > In a message dated 5/3/2008 8:28:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>
>>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > Herb,
>>>>
>>>>> This isn't about me or my mother. This is a discussion about the
>>>>>
>>>> dumbest
>>>>
>>>>> SOB
>>>>> that has ever taken the oath of office. I didn't call you on
>>>>>
>>> breaking
>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> rules, that was someone else.
>>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > Rummy - good for you to have the guts to say it as it is.
>>>>
>> Although
>>
>>>> there
>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>> more to it than dumb - Bush has done so much damage to our country
>>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>> mere
>>>>> 8 years that one wonders if he could have been worse had he been
>>>>>
>>>> trying
>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>> > damage us. It is hard to find a single policy that favors the
>>>>
>>> people
>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>> our
>>>>> country over whatever special interest he happened to favor on a
>>>>>
>>> given
>>>
>>>> > day.
>>>>
>>>>> Then there was the "proclamation" that if you "considered "
>>>>>
>> sailing
>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>> Cuba,
>>>>> your boat was subject to confiscation. Thanks for your candor -
>>>>>
>>> Bush
>>>
>>>>> will be
>>>>> ranked either just above or just below Buchanan.
>>>>> Frone Crawford
>>>>> s/v Sunday Morning
>>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
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