[Rhodes22-list] main cockpit drain and laz bulkhead

Wed May 28 18:10:59 EDT 2008

Bill,

Good to have you back.  As I said in my reply to Rummy, I don't think that 
this can happen, unless the water that enters the laz is not able to flow 
back into the sea (like a well sealed laz with a lot of rain water in it.)

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:08 AM
> Peter,
>
> I always saw the unsealed laz as a safety feature built in by Stan.  I
> thought he did it on purpose, and I use it to intentionally drain water
> to the laz where it is easier to dispose of.
>
> If your huge sealed laz fills with water it will raise the bow as the
> sealed rear compartment fills--like the Titanic in reverse.  The boat
> won't sink because of the floatation, but instead of remaining level and
> distributing the water over the length of the hull, you are
> concentrating all the weight at one end.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
> Peter Thorn wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> I just want to share a bit of information about the lazarette on my '88 
>> R22,
>> s/v Raven.  Last year I discovered that the laz was not sealed to the
>> floatation area under the cockpit floor and that water in the laz would 
>> run
>> forward, under the cockpit foam floatation, and wind up in the bilge near
>> the inspection square by the compression post.  With this bit of data 
>> also
>> came the epiphany that an unattended failure of the main cockpit drain 
>> could
>> result in an all-out test of the unsinkable characteristics of the Rhodes
>> 22.   Since I am the worrying type, this seemed unacceptable, so I 
>> devised a
>> solution.
>>
>> I glassed in and sealed the laz bulkhead to the floor and sides of the 
>> hull
>> to create a watertight compartment.  The top of the laz bulkhead, as most
>> owners know, is open to the cockpit, so if the water level in the laz 
>> were
>> to rise to the top of the bulkhead (unlikely I think), it would spill out
>> and drain through the cockpit drain.  Now no water from the laz can enter
>> the cabin.  If a total failure of the cockpit drain occurs, the laz and 
>> only
>> the laz would fill up to the water line, but not run forward to swamp the
>> boat.
>>
>> I've attached pictures of the laz sealing project done with WEST epoxy,
>> glass cloth and roving over a foam angle filler, per instructions from 
>> the
>> technical advisors at WEST.  Good luck with yours!
>>
>> PT
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D. 
>> Weisner
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:37 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] NEWS ITEM *****FLASH***** Shanghai'd
>> SummerFinallyLaunched May 25!!
>>
>> Rob,
>>
>> If I pull her to do repairs, I must completely pack up and bring her 
>> home -
>> there is no overnight parking at the town ramp area.  While it is only 2
>> miles journey, it seems so unnecessary.  I was thinking of finding a 
>> rubber
>> gasket for the through-hull that would hold until the end of the season 
>> when
>>
>> I would rebed properly.  If I pull out, I would prefer to make the repair
>> and relaunch immediately.  We only have a window of about an hour or so 
>> for
>> the entire operation due to the tide changes (7-8 ft).  I need all the 
>> water
>>
>> I can get under the hull to recover and a bit less to launch.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "Rob Lowe" <rlowe at vt.edu>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:29 PM
>>
>>> Mike,
>>> Congratulations to being (back?) on the water!  As far as
>>> replacing/rebeding
>>> your through-hull, is there any way to pull the boat while still rigged
>>> and
>>> leave it on the trailer overnight and then relaunch in a day or two?
>>> Would
>>> certainly make working on a through-hull easier if you're out of the
>>> water. - rob
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> To: "Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 3:48 PM
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] NEWS ITEM *****FLASH***** Shanghai'd Summer
>>> FinallyLaunched May 25!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Friday I picked up the 2-1/2" square 1/4" thick steel tube stock 
>>>> that
>>>>
>>> is now the new extension tongue for my R22 trailer.  After fitting a new
>>> coupler and drilling many holes in the steel on Saturday, I pronounced 
>>> the
>>> trailer "launchable" once again.  Sunday morning I removed the winter 
>>> tarp
>>> and checked out the boat.  All was as I had left it last September when 
>>> we
>>> failed to launch due to a collapsed extension tongue at the ramp.  I
>>> purchased fresh gas and oil, ran the old Suzuki DT7.5 engine in a 
>>> garbage
>>> can (started on 2nd pull!) and hitched up.
>>>
>>>> We launched without incident.  Once I was happy that there were no 
>>>> major
>>>>
>>> leaks or problems, I parked the truck and trailer.  We motored over to 
>>> our
>>> mooring to get away from the busy ramp area.  Once safely anchored, we
>>> stepped the mast and rigged.  We went for a short sail (2 hours) and 
>>> came
>>> back in to discharge passengers (helpers) and clean up.
>>>
>>>> I noticed that we had a bit of water in the laz.  We pumped out about a
>>>>
>>> half gallon, total.  We had been in the water for only four hours.  Oh
>>> well,
>>> she hadn't seen water in several years (I think 3 years of repairs and
>>> restoration), maybe some seals had shrunk and would swell when wet.
>>> Reluctantly, I boarded the dinghy and made for land, dinner and some 
>>> well
>>> deserved rest.
>>>
>>>> The next morning, Sheryl and I went back out and were pleasantly
>>>> surprised
>>>>
>>> that only about a half gallon of water was present in the laz.  The
>>> forward
>>> bilge remained dry.
>>>
>>>> I mopped up the water and found the leak to be coming from the cockpit
>>>>
>>> drain through-hull fitting.  I had suspected this and brought along a
>>> wrench.  It was fairly loose so I tightened it securely and the flow is
>>> pretty nearly stopped.  I am afraid to put too much torque on the nut
>>> since
>>> it and the fitting are from 1980 and failure would be catastrophic.  I
>>> assume that the sealant (gasket, bedding, etc.) has deteriorated
>>> significantly over the years.  At this time, I am afraid to play with it
>>> any
>>> more than I have until she is safely on the trailer.
>>>
>>>> Has anyone had experience with rebedding or replacing the drain
>>>>
>>> through-hull fitting while in the water?  Is there a safe method of
>>> beaching
>>> to access the area below the cockpit drain?  I think that when I service
>>> it,
>>> I will replace the fitting, the hose and the clamps just to be safe. 
>>> Does
>>> anyone know the size of the fitting, the hose and the clamps (you 
>>> needn't
>>> run out and measure them - I will measure mine in the next day)?
>>>
>>>> Is there a way to seal the fitting (temporarily) without removing the
>>>>
>>> fitting, so that it may be done while in the water?  I was thinking 
>>> about
>>> using some duck-seal or similar putty or caulk.
>>>
>>>> Somehow, while I was rebedding all of the portlights, deck fittings, 
>>>> the
>>>>
>>> seat drains, etc. I forgot about the cockpit drain.  Word to the wise, 
>>> on
>>> a
>>> 25+ year old boat, service and rebed everything, especially the fittings
>>> below the water line.
>>>
>>>> Thanks to all on the list who provided information and links to
>>>>
>>> information that helped me learn the art of fiberglass repair.  Probably
>>> the
>>> best information I received was to purchase Don Casey's books - I now 
>>> have
>>> the entire set, I think.
>>>
>>>> Even with the slight leak, it is much better to be in the water and
>>>>
>>> sailing, finally ...
>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
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