[Rhodes22-list] motors
Tom Hogarty
tjhogarty at gmail.com
Thu May 29 16:02:54 EDT 2008
Bill,
Are you getting the high thrust model?
Tom
Bill Effros wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> The more powerful engine has the same block with a slightly different
> bore and the fuel injection is calibrated differently. The only real
> difference is power output and price.
>
> You can compensate for weight hanging off the stern by putting a bigger
> anchor up front.
>
> I am about to get a 4-stroke for the quiet factor, and trying to decide
> between 8 and 9.9.
>
> The 9.9 won't get you any more speed (I don't think you can plane when
> using the motor) but it will get you more power when the wind is on your
> nose--this will allow you to go faster into the wind.
>
> On the other hand, I would guess it uses more fuel for the same distance
> traveled.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
>
>
> Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>> Hi Tom,
>> This is a case where I don't think bigger is necessarily better. If
>> the weights are about the same, it probably is a trade-off but in any
>> event it's a lot of weight hanging off the stern of a Rhodes 22. I'm
>> convinced that it does negatively affect sailing characteristics. We
>> scrounged for every pound that we could in looking for a new motor
>> but still ended up over 100 lbs. Of course we decided that at this
>> stage in our lives we've both had transient shoulder and back issues
>> and that electric start made sense so that added to the weight. The
>> old Honda 8 was about 80 lbs. If I was sailing a smaller lake
>> (anything smaller than Lake Champlain) I'd probably want a 4 or 6 hp.
>>
>> Our old Honda "classic" 8 was a high thrust 4 stroke motor - not as
>> high thrust as the Yamaha but it worked really well both over long
>> distances and maneuvering in close quarters. We haven't figured out
>> maneuvering with the Yamaha. It doesn't seem to want to turn as well.
>> Maybe the high thrust output against the rudder is interfering a bit.
>> Maybe we just need to get used to it.
>>
>> For motoring long distances (long being 30-35 miles), you can't beat
>> a four stroke. They are quieter and more fuel efficient than most
>> older two strokes. The quiet means you can easily have a conversation
>> with someone else in the cockpit or hear what's happening on the
>> radio. It also keeps a peaceful morning motor with no wind and flat
>> water peaceful.
>>
>> I don't think low rpms will hurt the motor (warning - this entire
>> paragraph is just slightly informed opinion). At a certain point you
>> don't gain anything. A 15 hp won't move the boat any faster or more
>> reliably than an 8. I doubt you could tell the difference between and
>> 8hp and a 9.9hp all other things being equal. You are up to the hull
>> speed limit easily with either one. I imagine (but don't know) that
>> you might be able to tell the difference between a 6hp and an 8hp
>> coming through some place like Kent Narrows with the very strong
>> current under the drawbridge or maybe battling an 18 knot wind on the
>> nose and a nearly one knot current under the Bay Bridge. We've done
>> both of those trips with the old Honda and it performed very well. I
>> expect our new Yamaha 8hp HT would handle both of those equally well.
>>
>> Mary Lou
>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>> Rock Hall, MD
>>
>> At 03:28 PM 5/28/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Mary Lou,
>>> Thanks, I will keep the ease of flushing the motor in mind when I buy.
>>> Was
>>> your old 8 a 4 stroke? Was it high thrust? If the 9.9 and the 8 have
>>> the
>>> same weight, why not buy the most powerful? Is part of the answer
>>> related
>>> to inefficiency at low rpm, ie., if a stronger engine will get to hull
>>> speed
>>> at lower rpm, will long runs at low rpm harm the engine? In my
>>> landlubber's
>>> imagination, I think a big motor will save my ass some day. As I get
>>> used
>>> to sailing, I am learning that sailing is probalbly safer than motoring,
>>> but
>>> I do want the ability to cruise long distances, maybe 20-30 windless
>>> miles
>>> with a reliable motor.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tom Hogarty, boat still on trailer
>>>
>>>
>>> Mary Lou Troy-2 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tom,
>>>> If you are going to be leaving the boat in the water, one thing to
>>>> consider is how easy it is to flush the motor with the boat in the
>>>> water. We recently had to replace our 10 year old Honda which died
>>>> from saltwater corrosion in the cooling water passages. There was no
>>>> way to easily flush the motor. Newer Hondas have a more accessible
>>>> flushing mechanism as do the Yamahas which is what we ended uo with
>>>> (8 hp high thrust). Too soon to tell you how we like it compared to
>>>> the Honda. We looked at a Mercury that was not easily flushed. I've
>>>> heard but couldn't verify that the clearance in the cooling passages
>>>> in the Merc are larger than in the Honda so this may not be a
>>>> problem. We didn't want to chance it.
>>>>
>>>> We've found that 8 hp seems to be more than enough for any conditions
>>>> you might want to be out in. The old 8 horse Honda pushed us through
>>>> some strong currents, high winds and good sized waves on the nose. We
>>>> could motor easily at hull speed in milder conditions.
>>>>
>>>> Mary Lou
>>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>>> Finally in the water in Rock Hall, MD
>>>>
>>>> At 11:16 PM 5/27/2008, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Rob,
>>>>> I plan to sail the Chesapeake and am just mulling over the purchase of
>>>>> a
>>>>> high thrust outboard, certainly a 4 stroke.
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob Lowe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom,
>>>>>> Where are you sailing? I sail an inland lake and my standard 8hp 4
>>>>>>
>>>>> stroke
>>>>>
>>>>>> has more than enough power. I rarely run it over 1/2 throttle.
>>>>>> Those
>>>>>>
>>>>> on
>>>>>
>>>>>> the coast might recommend something different. In fact, I suspect a
>>>>>>
>>>>> 6hp
>>>>>
>>>>>> would suit my needs. At one time there was a big 2 vs. 4 stroke
>>>>>> debate
>>>>>> amongst the members, but if you are considering a new motor, about
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>> can find is a 4 stroke unless you are looking at discontinued models.
>>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>>> rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Tom Hogarty" <hogarty at vcn.com>
>>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:24 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Obama is a Crook!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am also considering a new outboard. Are the high thrust models, 8
>>>>>>>
>>>>> or 9
>>>>>
>>>>>> hp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ok? When not specified, I assume you are talking about 4 cycles.
>>>>>>> Tom Hogarty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arthur H. Czerwonky wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>>> No reflection on the Merc 9.9, but I have found, as others, that
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Tohatsu 8 is one excellent choice for the R22. You might give it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> some
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thought. I have no idea on costing, but Ron Singerman is using a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> 9.8
>>>>>
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> his new boat.
>>>>>>>> Art
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: bdunn1 <bdunn1 at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: May 27, 2008 11:40 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Obama is a Crook!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rummy: Need your advice; my 8 hp Yamaha on my 98 Rhodes bit the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> dust; I
>>>>>
>>>>>>> am considering a 9.9 Mercury 4-cycle. When I bought the boat used it
>>>>>>>
>>>>> had
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the remote controls and the motor connected to the rudder for
>>>>>>>
>>>>> steering.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Question: Can I use the Mercury with the standard "all the controls
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> handle", not connect it to the rudder and steer into and out of the
>>>>>>>
>>>>> dock
>>>>>
>>>>>>> with the rudder in the upright position using the motor to steer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>> There
>>>>>
>>>>>>> will be some conflict with the railing but I thought by tilting the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> control
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it would be ok.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>> Bill Dunn
>>>>>>>>> On May 27, 2008, at 10:20:26 AM, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Obama is a Crook!
>>>>>>>>> Date: May 27, 2008 10:20:26 AM EDT
>>>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>> Nope, not a thing. Same crap, different day. You know, politics
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sailing stuff thrown in for good measure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/27/2008 10:13:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>>> bill at effros.com writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have I missed anything?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>> s/v Little Queenie
>>>>>>>>> Greenwich, CT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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