[Rhodes22-list] Politics - More from 'The Lamb of Chicago'
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Fri May 30 10:23:02 EDT 2008
Peter,
Make that 3 for 3.
The (new) (black) Governor of New York has thrust Gay Marriage back into
the headlines by issuing an order that Gay marriages granted elsewhere
would be recognized by New York State.
If you had to make a wild guess about the largest Christian denomination
in the country that has embraced Gay Marriage--which denomination would
that be? And what would be the largest church in that denomination?
Yup.
More clips are on the way!
Next comes the Obama position shuffle -- a dance we will keep seeing
over and over, as Barack attempts to explain to his earlier supporters
that his position has not changed while he explains to the rest of us
that he didn't really understand his earlier position.
Bill Effros
Peter Thorn wrote:
> Rik,
>
> You're not the only one who had that very thought. I certainly hope the
> non-profit tax status of Trinity is questioned by the regulators now that
> they're two for two making political headlines.
>
> PT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:19 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - More from 'The Lamb of Chicago'
>
> Brad,
>
> UNBELIEVABLE!!
>
> In 55 years I have somehow never managed to attend a church where
> politics seemed to be the focus of the message. I wonder, given their
> message, if it isn't time for this "church" to lose it's right to claim
> that designation. Congratulations are in order though for the white
> preacher who has figured out how to break into J. Jackson and L.
> Farrakhan's strangle-hold on the blacks as victims business model. I
> would imagine all dem po' downtrodden black folk are making him fairly
> wealthy.
>
> Rik
>
> "Is this gonna' put me in a bad mood? 'Cause I'm not usually this
> pleasant".... Rik Sandberg
>
>
>
> Brad Haslett wrote:
>
>> The gift that keeps on giving. Be sure and watch the youtube video.
>> I don't know about you but I don't feel guilty enough about anything
>> to give-up my 401K
>> (and I've got lot's of baggage to feel guilty about).
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> Meanwhile, Back at Trinity United By *JAMES TARANTO*
>> May 29, 2008
>>
>> Blogger Armando Llorens of the pro-Clinton site
>> TalkLeft.com<http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/29/9431/74527>has an
>> eye-opening video from the Trinity United Church of Christ, which
>> remains Barack Obama's church. The video was uploaded to
>> YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y>this past Sunday,
>> though it is unclear if it was shot then or earlier. But
>> to judge by the subject matter, it is quite recent.
>>
>> The video features Father Michael Pfleger, with an introduction by the
>>
> Rev.
>
>> Otis Moss, Jeremiah Wright's successor at Trinity United. As we noted last
>> month <http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120956688571556385.html#MOSS>, the
>> Democratic presidential front-runner described Moss as a "wonderful young
>> pastor" *after* Obama renounced Wright.
>>
>> Blogress Michelle
>>
>>
> Malkin<http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/29/hes-baaaack-obama-supporter-rev-
> michael-pfleger-flogs-hillarys-white-entitlement-on-the-pulpit/>has
>
>> transcribed the video, in which Pfleger, described by Moss as "a
>> friend
>> of Trinity . . . a brother beloved . . . a preacher par excellence . . . a
>> prophetic, powerful pulpiteer . . . our friend . . . our brother,"
>>
> delivers
>
>> a hateful rant against Hillary Clinton:
>>
>> When Hillary was crying [gesturing tears, uproarious laughter from
>> audience]--and people said that was put-on--I really don't believe it was
>> put-on.
>>
>> I really believe that she just always thought "This is mine" [laughter,
>> hoots]. "I'm Bill's wife. I'm *white.* And this is mine. And I jus' gotta
>> get up. And step into the plate." And then out of nowhere came, "Hey, I'm
>> Barack Obama." And she said: "Oh, damn! *Where did you come
>> from!?!?!"*[Crowd going nuts, Pfleger screaming].
>> *"I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show."* [Sobs.]
>>
> *She
>
>> wasn't the only one crying! There was a whole lotta white people cryin'!*
>>
>> Who is Michael Pfleger? As we noted last
>> month<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120767493480598383.html#PFLEGER>,
>> he is a strong supporter of Louis Farrakhan and has been described as a
>> "spiritual adviser" to Obama. He also publicly threatened the life of a
>> Chicago businessman and, according to one report, "is known for climbing
>> ladders to deface liquor billboards."
>>
>> In his Trinity United oration, Pfleger asserted that white people have a
>> moral obligation to surrender their assets, which, he suggested, properly
>> belong to blacks (the video clip begins in midsentence):
>>
>> --honest enough to address the one who says, "Well, don't hold me
>> responsible [gesticulating] for what my ancestors did." But you have
>>
> enjoyed
>
>> the benefits of what your ancestors did and unless you are ready to give
>>
> up
>
>> the benefits [voice rising], throw away your 401 fund, throw away your
>>
> trust
>
>> fund, throw away all the money you put into the company you *walked into
>> because yo' daddy and yo' granddaddy and yo' greatgranddaddy--*[screaming
>>
> at
>
>> the top of his lungs]--*unless you're willing to give up the benefits,
>>
> then
>
>> you must be responsible for what was done in your generation 'cuz you are
>> the beneficiary of this insurance policy!*
>>
>> Pfleger is white. Many Illinois taxpayers are black. The New York
>>
>>
> Times<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/us/politics/11chicago.html?pagewante
> d=all>reported
>
>> earlier this month that the latter have been forced to subsidize
>> the former, through the good offices of one state Sen. Barack Obama:
>>
>> Mr. Obama more eagerly met the demands for spending earmarks for churches
>> and community groups in his district, said State Senator Donne E. Trotter,
>> then the ranking Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Committee. "I know
>> this firsthand, because the community groups in his district stopped
>>
> coming
>
>> to me," Mr. Trotter said.
>>
>> Typical of Mr. Obama's earmarks was a $100,000 grant for a youth center at
>>
> a
>
>> Catholic church run by the Rev. Michael Pfleger, a controversial priest
>>
> who
>
>> was one of the few South Side clergymen to back Mr. Obama against [Rep.
>> Bobby] Rush.
>>
>> Father Pfleger has long worked with South Side political leaders to reduce
>> crime and improve the community. But he has drawn fire from some quarters
>> for defending the Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and inviting him
>>
> to
>
>> speak at his church. Father Pfleger, who did not return calls for comment,
>> is one of the religious leaders whose "faith testimonials" Mr. Obama has
>> posted on his presidential campaign Web site.
>>
>> We searched the Obama Web site in vain for Pfleger's endorsement. It
>>
> appears
>
>> the campaign has suppressed it, although a copy appears on the Michelle
>> Malkin page linked above.
>>
>> Llorens, the TalkLeft blogger who posted the video, says twice in his
>>
> short
>
>> post that "this has nothing to do with Barack Obama." It seems to us
>>
> Llorens
>
>> is quite wrong about this, although possibly he is being ironic. For one
>> thing, it raises serious questions about Obama's moral judgment that he
>>
> not
>
>> only attends but sends his two young daughters to a church whose pulpit
>> regularly features such hatred.
>>
>> It also renders doubtful one of the most frequent arguments for an Obama
>> presidency: that he would diminish anti-American sentiment around the
>>
> world
>
>> through his conciliatory mien and tough diplomacy. His response to the
>> political crisis over his spiritual advisers has been vacillatory, not
>> conciliatory: first he stood by them, then he distanced himself from them.
>> Now he pretends they don't exist--which differs from the putative Bush
>> administration approach to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad & Co. how exactly?
>>
>> Obama does not appear to have succeeded in diminishing anti-American
>> sentiment in his own church, from religious leaders who fervently support
>> him. The danger is that he would show similar weakness on the world stage,
>> and that America's enemies would find such weakness provocative rather
>>
> than
>
>> meliorative.
>> *
>> <http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/greenwald/8571>*
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