[Rhodes22-list] Herb's sailing trip

Ben Cittadino bcittadino at dcs-law.com
Mon Nov 3 15:38:10 EST 2008 

Art;

Don't remember John Foard. What ship? I was on Exploit 1970-1972, out of
Duke NROTC. Lived on Ashley Shores Dr. in Charleston. (Missed your message,
sorry for delay).

Ben C.

Arthur H. Czerwonky wrote:
> 
> Ben,
> Ever know an officer named John Foard?  He is a good fried and classmate.
> Art
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>Sent: Oct 28, 2008 8:21 PM
>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Herb's sailing trip
>>
>>
>>Steve,
>>
>>I have mentioned that part of my excitment in acquiring a Rhodes 22 this
>>year came from the fact that I served aboard a Philip Rhodes designed
>>oceangoing minesweeper; a naval combatant vessel designed (and built) in
the
>>early 1950's when we needed wooden-hulled ships to avoid destruction
>>(theoretically) from magnetic mines. She was 171' long, drew about 12' of
>>water, had 4 500hp aluminum Packard diesel engines for main propulsion,
twin
>>variable pitch props, and could do about 16 kts wide open. She wasn't bad
>>looking with a "tuna clipper type" bow and a low counter from which we
could
>>stream minesweeping gear off the stern.  Mine was the USS EXPLOIT (MSO
440)
>>and I was the engineering officer (the logical choice since I had been a
>>political science major and knew nothing about diesels, electricity,
>>machinery, or engineering). 
>>
>>Anyway, I had never gotten seasick until some genius decided we should
help
>>land a battalion of marines at Reid State Park in Maine in JANUARY of
1972.
>>Operation "Snowy Beach".   I have never been so cold. We had an open
bridge
>>(no heat) and the weather was miserable. Our little division of 4 MSO's
was
>>ordered to a course that put us right in the trough of the seas. It was
just
>>like "The Caine Mutiny". We were taking the most frightening rolls in
those
>>seas (I swear to this day I read the clinometer as taking a 52 degree
roll). 
>>I thought I was pretty salty but I was terrified.
>>
>>I got off watch and went below to try to wedge myself into a bunk, but had
>>to pass through the crew's mess, where afew saltier Chiefs were chowing
down
>>on big plates of "Chef Boy ar Dee" canned ravioli. I lost my lunch, dinner
>>and breakfast in one great barf. And the worst part is, once you're sick
you
>>stay sick. It was the worst three days of my life. I thought I was going
to
>>die.
>>
>>Thanks for evoking that memory. I haven't thought about my seasickness
>>adventure in a long time.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Ben C.
>>
>>Steven Alm wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice story, Herb.  Thanks for writing it up.  I can tell you something
>>> about
>>> sea sickness.  I had it once but oddly it happened in much calmer seas
>>> than
>>> other rides I've been on so it might have been something I ate.   It was
>>> absolutely miserable.   You only need one thing to make you comfortable
>>> and
>>> you're not going to get it--for the boat to stop rocking.  So every
>>> second
>>> is pure misery.  I did all the things they say to do--stay top side and
>>> watch the horizon, etc. but nothing stopped the motion so nothing
>>> stopped
>>> the sickness.  It eventually subsided after about an hour even though
>>> the
>>> boat was still rocking and then I was fine.  We didn't have Dramamine on
>>> board so I don't know if that helps.
>>> 
>>> Another time at sea when I was performing on a cruise ship, we hit a bad
>>> storm and most were sick--not me this time.  I've never seen so much
>>> mass
>>> puking in my life.  It was surrealistic and actually became funny but
>>> only
>>> because it wasn't happening to me.  The real tragedy was that every
>>> bottle
>>> in the crew bar slid off the shelves and broke.  Not funny.
>>> 
>>> Slim
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Herb Parsons
>>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You know how sometimes you have a thought in your head - you know what
>>>> you're thinking but can't quite put it into words? (Maybe you don't
>>>> know, maybe that's just approaching senility) Anyway, you came up with
>>>> the term I was looking for - I'd like to know what my threshold level
>>>> is
>>>> on seasickness.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure if I was in a real storm (haven't been dere done dat yet) on
>>>> the open water, and trying to sleep below, I'd succumb. I'm sure I'm
>>>> not
>>>> immune (I don't think anyone is), but I can tell that my tolerance is
>>>> higher than many.
>>>>
>>>> Caesar Paul wrote:
>>>> > Hi Herb,
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for the account of your sailing trip; you told it well.  I
>>>> would
>>>> like to sail out in the wild and beautiful blue yonder sometime.  My
>>>> hope
>>>> is
>>>> that is somewhere in my future.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sounds like it was a lot of fun.  I have never been sea-sick either
>>>> and
>>>> am curious to discover what my threshold level is.
>>>> >
>>>> > Caesar
>>>> >
>>>> > --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Herb's sailing trip
>>>> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:36 PM
>>>> >
>>>> > A friend of mine from NO (Slidell actually), lost his boat that was
>>>> > slipped across mine during Katrina. He used the insurance money to
>>>> buy
>>>> a
>>>> > 39' Allied Princess in Florida, and needed it to be moved to Houston.
>>>> We
>>>> > planned on 7 days, but had a little trouble with the diesel and had
>>>> to
>>>> > detour to Biloxi.
>>>> >
>>>> > I had actually sailed my boat down the coast of Texas from Corpus
>>>> > Christi to Port Isabel (and almost decided to move to Port Isabel in
>>>> the
>>>> > process), but that was the first time time to lose sight of land.
>>>> There
>>>> > is something almost magical about looking behind you, and suddenly
>>>> > realizing that even the haze of the hotel buildings is gone, and all
>>>> you
>>>> > see is sky and water. I honestly believe that is what I was born for.
>>>> >
>>>> > The waves glow at night in some areas with the luminance of the
>>>> marine
>>>> > life in them. We had flying fish literally fly into the cockpit (we
>>>> > didn't eat them, though I asked if they were decent food). I was
>>>> shocked
>>>> > at the depth, and breadth, of the Gulf waters that turn from blue to
>>>> > brown from the flow of the Mississippi. And there's something that
>>>> > almost haunting to hear an oil platform's low moan of a warning siren
>>>> > when your surrounded by darkness and a light fog. Another memory that
>>>> > stands out clearly was watching a Carnival Cruise liner pass in the
>>>> > darkness, lit up like a small city, and thinking to myself "Those
>>>> people
>>>> > think THAT'S a cruise...."
>>>> >
>>>> > I've never been seasick in my life, and thought this would be a good
>>>> > time to find how much I can take. Though we never had bad weather,
>>>> the
>>>> > second night out, it was VERY rough seas. The layout of the Allied
>>>> > Princess doesn't have as much room as other boats the same size that
>>>> > I've seen, and the "plan" was for the four of us was to alternate
>>>> >
>>>> > between the two usable berths (one older guy couldn't stand watch,
>>>> but
>>>> > he was a great cook, and wanted to make one last sail, sadly, this
>>>> was
>>>> > it, he passed six months later, more on him in a moment). I was so
>>>> > excited, I stayed awake all of the first night. The second night, the
>>>> > rough sees night, I told them I was going to make room for myself in
>>>> the
>>>> > V-berth, so I wouldn't have to alternate berths. They all laughed and
>>>> > said I'd last a night at the most.
>>>> >
>>>> > I remember bedding down after my 10-2 (10pm, 2am) watch in 10' seas,
>>>> > thinking "OK, this isn't so bad. Sort of like a ride at Six Flags.
>>>> > I'm
>>>> > not sure I can sleep though...." Next thing I knew, it was 6:30, and
>>>> the
>>>> > cook was asking me if I wanted to eat breakfast or sleep all day.
>>>> They
>>>> > all laughed about how they could see air underneath me on some of the
>>>> > waves, but I never stirred.
>>>> >
>>>> > I had the last laugh, we had blueberry pancakes. ALL of them lost
>>>> their
>>>> > breakfast. I did not. I've still never been seasick. I hope for
>>>> another
>>>> > opportunity someday soon.
>>>> >
>>>> > The cook (I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember his name), had
>>>> major
>>>> > heart surgery about 6 months prior. He was told that he would
>>>> probably
>>>> > not survive. He sold his two boats, and his retirement homes, to
>>>> provide
>>>> > for his wife.
>>>> >
>>>> > Then he survived, and was boatless. He told the owner that he would
>>>> like
>>>> > to come with us for one final sail, but couldn't handle the rigors of
>>>> > standing a regular watch. He would ride along, relieve briefly when
>>>> > needed, but would cook all of our meals. This guy was amazing at what
>>>> he
>>>> > could cook on an alcohol stove, in a pitching boat on 10' seas. We
>>>> ate
>>>> > like kings, I kid you not. When we fixed the clogged fuel filters in
>>>> > Biloxi, he begged off the rest of the trip. It was too hard on him,
>>>> but
>>>> > he thanked us profusely for the opportunity to sail again. I was
>>>> proud
>>>> > to have been a small part of giving that to another sailor.
>>>> >
>>>> > On last funny story from the trip. Because I was (believe it or not)
>>>> the
>>>> > youngest of the remaining 3 (at 49 years old), I drew cooking duties.
>>>> > I'm not a cook. My first morning, I said "Well guys, no blueberry
>>>> > pancakes, but I've done my best. You've got two choices:
>>>> >
>>>> > You can have scrambled egges
>>>> >
>>>> > Or you can go hungry"
>>>> >
>>>> > On the plus side, everyone kept breakfast down on that calm morning.
>>>> >
>>>> > Anyone (OK, ALMOST anyone) needing help moving a boat across the
>>>> water,
>>>> > give me a shout. That was one of the best vacations I've had.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Herb,
>>>> >>         Tell me about the time on the Gulf, business or pleasure? 
>>>> What
>>>> >>
>>>> > form
>>>> >
>>>> >> of transport.  Exotic or mundane?
>>>> >> And yes no one should judge you (or me) till they've introduced
>>>> >>
>>>> > themselves
>>>> >
>>>> >> and gotten to know us, I think.
>>>> >> Chris G
>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>> >>
>>>> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> >
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:02 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How much time do you spend on the
>>>> computer?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Chris,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I really DON'T mean to just be argumentative on this one, but I
>>>> >>>
>>>> > DON'T
>>>> >
>>>> >>> see Metaphor's point. I've come home (after sailing across the
>>>> >>>
>>>> > gulf for
>>>> >
>>>> >>> 10 days) to over 3000 emails in my in box. I dare say I didn't
>>>> >>>
>>>> > miss any
>>>> >
>>>> >>> important ones. The little red X in Thunderbird is pretty easy to
>>>> use.
>>>> >>> It only takes me a line or two to see if an email is something I
>>>> >>>
>>>> > really
>>>> >
>>>> >>> need, or just chatter. Most are chatter.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Brad,
>>>> >>>>         Thanks for that well reasoned, and humorous response; like
>>>> >>>>
>>>> > Ben
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >> C. I
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> never quite dispair, and then you come through with such a great
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >> response.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> I see Metaphor's point but if he just stays around till after
>>>> >>>>
>>>> > the
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >> election
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> he can bennifite from all the Fasciests, Commies, Sheep, and
>>>> >>>>
>>>> > wolves on
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >> this
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> list because after all we are all boating lambs...well except when
>>>> >>>>
>>>> > it
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >> comes
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> to which type of motor to use, or anchor or.......
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Chris G
>>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>>> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> >
>>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:53 PM
>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How much time do you spend on the
>>>> >>>>
>>>> > computer?
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Dear Mr. Wager/Crabber?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Are you a gambler?  Perhaps a crabber?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Rude?  Self impressed?  No sir, I'm a pilot.  Think about
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > it and
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> figure it out for yourself.  Little man - aggrandized view of
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > your own
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> importance?  What part of pilot don't you get?  I'm
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > not a  aggrandized
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> little man, I am a god!
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Listen.  My adventures have been "bigger-than-life"
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > for a kid of a
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> construction worker from a town of 650 people.  The amazing
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > thing is,
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> they are not bullshit and if you envy them then you have a
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > problem.
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> Again, many of us on this board have dined and stayed at each
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > other's
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> house, sailed on each other's boats, and come to each
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > other's rescue
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> in private. You might want to lurk a bit longer before you
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > become so
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> judgmental.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> To answer your question about boats and boat names - I once
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > owned a
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> Rhodes22 and I regret the day I sold it.  I now own a 30'
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > S2 named the
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> "CoraShen" after my daughter Cora and her
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > grandfather Mr. Shen.  Mr.
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> Shen died recently.  He was a "little man" who was
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > "aggrandized" by
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> his thousands of employees and one of the kindest and gentlest
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > men I
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> ever met.  His story is buried in the archives of this list.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > There's
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> a lot of interesting history there, and as Ed would say,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > "search the
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> archives".
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Perhaps you should consider barking for awhile on this list
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > before you
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> default to biting.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Brad
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Metaphor
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> > <mwager at bluecrab.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Mr. Haslitt,
>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, but I get the impression that you are a rude, self
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > impressed
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> little
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>> man with an aggrandized view of your own importance.   You
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > copy a lot
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >> of
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>> posts from other sources, and tell grand stories about
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > yourself and
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >> your
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>> bigger-than-life adventures, but otherwise offer little of
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > substance.
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> When
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>> people don't agree with you, you belittle them.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>  Do you own or sail a Rhodes?  If not, why are you even on
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > this forum?
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> I have had many questions answered by sailors, but none by
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > you I learn
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> most
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>> by simply listening to what they have to say.  You just
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > seem to blow
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> your
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>> own horn so loudly that only you can hear the sound of
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > your own
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> pomposity.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>> There are forums out there that are in the big leagues.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > You might find
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> the
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>> challenges in one of those more demanding than pandering
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > to your two
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> friends
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>> on this one.  Other forums that I participate in have an
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > PM (private
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> mnessage) option that  allows for personal conversation
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > between
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> individuals.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>> If it is not available on this thread, you might try
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > regular emails
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> between
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>> you and your two other friends.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> I probably could figure out how to use the filters here,
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > but too often
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> on
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>> these threads, posts are not properly (should I say
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > honestly) labeled,
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> so
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>> filters don't work.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> By the way, Metaphor is the name of my boat.  What is the
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > name of
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >> yours?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Met, uh, Phor?
>>>> >>>>>>> You're smart enough to bitch, you're probably
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> > smart enough to filter
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>> your e-mail.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Brad
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Metaphor
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> > <mwager at bluecrab.org>
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> I've got a simple question, but mostly applied
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > to Herb and Brad, and
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>> somewhat
>>>> >>>>>>>> to Tootle:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you guys have jobs or real lives, or do you
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > spend all day on the
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>> internet
>>>> >>>>>>>> and then posting to this forum?  There are a
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > couple of other volume
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>> posters,
>>>> >>>>>>>> but none so prolific as you are. I get the sense
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > that the sailors
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> are
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> pretty
>>>> >>>>>>>> much giving up getting airtime in competition with
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > the political
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> nature
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> of
>>>> >>>>>>>> this forum.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> I try to follow the various threads, but have lost
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > interest in this
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> forum
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> because it has so little to do with sailing,
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > Rhodes 22's or nautical
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> life
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> in
>>>> >>>>>>>> general.  Reading the same paranoid information
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > from the three of
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> you
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> over
>>>> >>>>>>>> and over again is tiresome, so much so that
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > I've begun to applaud
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> your
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> challengers -- Ben C, petelargo, etc.,  simply
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > because they are
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>> challenging
>>>> >>>>>>>> you, and I have (but not always) voted Republican.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Your time would be better spent arguing on a
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > political forum rather
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> that
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> a
>>>> >>>>>>>> sailing one, and leaving this forum to talk about
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > the boring details
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> of
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>>> Rhodes 22 -- you know, technical issues,
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > innovative re-designs or
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> fixes,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> sailing techniques, great sailing adventures, that
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > kind of stuff of
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>> interest
>>>> >>>>>>>> to Rhodes 22 owners and sailors... certainly there
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > would be fewer
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> posts,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> but
>>>> >>>>>>>> the Rhodes 22 boat issues would not be so buried
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > under the volume of
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>> political posts found here.  A search of the
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > internet would probably
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> find
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> a
>>>> >>>>>>>> few sites that you might find more of a political
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> > nature.  Thanks...
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/How-much-time-do-you-spend-on-the-computer--tp20180185p20180185.html
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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