[Rhodes22-list] Yamaha, (non) cooling system
Robert Fuller
Bobandsandy at tampabay.rr.com
Tue Nov 4 05:15:47 EST 2008
Mike, thanks for your input. He had the kit and used the seals. I
will look at the thermostat in the am. Mechanic told me over the
phone when he pulled the head, cooling channels filled with the same
gunk. All I can think of is maybe this is lime deposit from flush
water. Hard to believe there could be such an accumulation after only
two years, but house AC drain did plug up one summer.
Andrew, yeah, it was a "loaner" from Stan for just one season but
always seemed like a solid boat.
Bob
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> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:07:58 -0500
> From: "Tom Hogarty" <tjhogarty at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
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> I was thinking the hand held as a gps for navigation only, with
> laptop for
> more complicated problems and planning, and the fish finder a
> separate
> unit, and the depth finder on the bulkhead with just a digital
> readout.Tom
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:35 AM, bill davidge <wpdavidge at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Tom
>> I don't think you will find a hand held that will tell what you are
>> looking for. I think you have to have a GPS that you can hock up a
>> transducer ( sonar ) to ti to get the depth of water and to find
>> the fish
>>
>> Bill Davidge
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Tom Hogarty <tjhogarty at gmail.com>
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 10:12:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
>>
>>
>> I have been wondering about the electronic answer to three
>> questions:
>> where
>> am I? how deep is it? and where are the fish?
>> I am thinking that the first maybe answered by a handheld in the
>> cockpit
>> and
>> a laptop in the cabin. The second by a depth finder mounted on the
>> bulkhead
>> opposite side to the compass. And, if the fish ever become
>> important, a
>> temporary or moveable mount of a finder in the cockpit.
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> Lady in Red wrote:
>>>
>>> JIm.
>>>
>>> I have the Nuvi 700 series for the car & a 545 for the boat....
>>>
>>>
>>> elle
>>>
>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our
>>> sails.
>>>
>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Jim Connolly <jbconnolly at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Jim Connolly <jbconnolly at comcast.net>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
>>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 6:47 PM
>>>> Does anyone have experience with the Garmin Nuvi 500 series?
>>>> I don't really
>>>> need a dedicated GPS plotter on the boat and I don't
>>>> yet have one in my car.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Jim Connolly
>>>> s/v Inisheer
>>>> '85 recycled '03
>>>>
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> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:40:36 -0500
> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
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> Tom,
>
> Tom,
>
> First of all, congratulations on selling your old Rhodes and getting a
> new one. Unfortunately, I don't think it will help you catch any more
> fish. I've had a fishing license and fishfinder for the last three
> years and I have yet to catch a fish. It must be the Rhodes.
>
> I have an inexpensive Humminbird17 fishfinder. I believe all
> fishfinders are also depthfinders, so there's no need to purchase and
> install two different pieces of equipment. My screen isn't that big
> and
> I could easily see the fish from the swivel seats if I were fortunate
> enough to have swivel seats and be anywhere near fish. I recommend
> mounting a combination depth/fishfinder on the bulkhead, where you can
> view it from anywhere in the cockpit.
>
> If you want to fish from the cabin or bow, mount a secondary
> combination
> depth/fishfinder on the inside of the cabin. It would be the same
> cost
> as a separate depthfinder and fishfinder, and the redundancy may pay
> off
> some day when one of them breaks.
>
> Sport fishing boats often have an extra set of electronics in their
> tuna
> towers.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease
> Kent Island, MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Hogarty [mailto:tjhogarty at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:00 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
>
>
> I don't think I need a GPS separate for fish, just a good sonar and
> screen,
> and my experience is that is best when when you can see it from
> several
> locations. I just want that when I fish, not for most sailing and
> think
> it
> would be best not permanently mounted. I am not sure I could use it
> mounted
> on the bulkhead and viewed from the swivel seats.
> Tom
>
>
>
> bill davidge wrote:
>>
>> Tom
>> I don't think you will find a hand held that will tell what you are
>> looking for. I think you have to have a GPS that you can hock up a
>> transducer ( sonar ) to ti to get the depth of water and to find
> the
>> fish
>>
>> Bill Davidge
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Tom Hogarty <tjhogarty at gmail.com>
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 10:12:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
>>
>>
>> I have been wondering about the electronic answer to three
>> questions:
>
>> where
>> am I? how deep is it? and where are the fish?
>> I am thinking that the first maybe answered by a handheld in the
> cockpit
>> and
>> a laptop in the cabin. The second by a depth finder mounted on the
>> bulkhead
>> opposite side to the compass. And, if the fish ever become
> important, a
>> temporary or moveable mount of a finder in the cockpit.
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> Lady in Red wrote:
>>>
>>> JIm.
>>>
>>> I have the Nuvi 700 series for the car & a 545 for the boat....
>>>
>>>
>>> elle
>>>
>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our
>>> sails.
>>>
>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Jim Connolly <jbconnolly at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Jim Connolly <jbconnolly at comcast.net>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
>>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 6:47 PM
>>>> Does anyone have experience with the Garmin Nuvi 500 series?
>>>> I don't really
>>>> need a dedicated GPS plotter on the boat and I don't
>>>> yet have one in my car.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Jim Connolly
>>>> s/v Inisheer
>>>> '85 recycled '03
>>>>
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> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:03:15 EST
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> People,
> Not only are we way over thinking this, but you are forgetting some
> very
> basic details. First, a GPS receives signals from space, usually a
> minimum of at
> least four satellites at the same time. It has to have a clear view
> of the
> sky, not impeded by the pop top or other obstacles.
> A fish finder will also work as a depth sounder. Mounting the puck
> requires
> a place where there is little disturbed water for
> clarity.....meaning an
> accurate reading for depth, contour and fish. Some also give you water
> temperature. Placing the puck in the lazzerette is handy, but you
> will get disturbed
> water. The further forward you mount it, either thru hull or
> epoxying it to the
> glass, the better the readings will be. That being said, you must
> be careful
> not to place it where the glass is to thick or you will get false
> readings.
> Attached is a drawing showing an easy method to mount the puck without
> glassing it in.
> Lap top computer circuitry does not like salt or humid air. It
> especially
> does not like a dunking. My personal experience with computers on
> boats has not
> been good.
>
> Rummy
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> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:24:45 -0500
> From: "Ron Singerman" <sail at tds.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
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> I have a Hawkeye DF 1000 digital mounted on my cabin bulkhead with
> an in
> hull ransducer mounted in the lazarette. Excellent for anchoring
> purposes
> and while under way.
>
>>> ron<<
>
> S/V Serenity
> Lake Sunapee NH
> Boca Ciega Bay FL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Hogarty" <tjhogarty at gmail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
>
>
>> I was thinking the hand held as a gps for navigation only, with
>> laptop for
>> more complicated problems and planning, and the fish finder a
>> separate
>> unit, and the depth finder on the bulkhead with just a digital
>> readout.Tom
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:35 AM, bill davidge <wpdavidge at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tom
>>> I don't think you will find a hand held that will tell what you are
>>> looking for. I think you have to have a GPS that you can hock up a
>>> transducer ( sonar ) to ti to get the depth of water and to
>>> find the
>>> fish
>>>
>>> Bill Davidge
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Tom Hogarty <tjhogarty at gmail.com>
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 10:12:38 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been wondering about the electronic answer to three
>>> questions:
>>> where
>>> am I? how deep is it? and where are the fish?
>>> I am thinking that the first maybe answered by a handheld in the
>>> cockpit
>>> and
>>> a laptop in the cabin. The second by a depth finder mounted on the
>>> bulkhead
>>> opposite side to the compass. And, if the fish ever become
>>> important, a
>>> temporary or moveable mount of a finder in the cockpit.
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> Lady in Red wrote:
>>>>
>>>> JIm.
>>>>
>>>> I have the Nuvi 700 series for the car & a 545 for the boat....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> elle
>>>>
>>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our
>>>> sails.
>>>>
>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Jim Connolly <jbconnolly at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Jim Connolly <jbconnolly at comcast.net>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
>>>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 6:47 PM
>>>>> Does anyone have experience with the Garmin Nuvi 500 series?
>>>>> I don't really
>>>>> need a dedicated GPS plotter on the boat and I don't
>>>>> yet have one in my car.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Connolly
>>>>> s/v Inisheer
>>>>> '85 recycled '03
>>>>>
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> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:36:42 -0800 (PST)
> From: bill davidge <wpdavidge at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bill D. and GPS/fish locator
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> Ben
>
> That
> "s the same set up that I have been using for Two Yrs .However there
> are some problems Number one is when you start heeling
>
> some times the depth reading just blinks at what the depth was when
> it lost the bottom .Also the zebra mussels have found the bracket
> and they love to start doing what they do which is plug everything
> up.I have a Garmin 498 and would be lost with out it
> Bill Davidge
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 11:44:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bill D. and GPS/fish locator
>
>
> I have a wonderfull fishfinder/depthfinder from Garmin that I had
> Stan mount
> before I took delivery of the boat this summer. The screen readout
> is on a
> great bracket on the outside of the aft portion of the cabin on the
> starboard side opposite the compass. It can easily be read from the
> conning station . The transducer is connected by a wire that runs
> behind the
> seats, through the lazarette, through the transom (above the
> waterline) and
> down to the bottom of the tansom where the transducer is mounted.
> I'm not
> hunting submarines or mines which might require more forward
> placement and
> it works just fine.
>
> Ben C.
>
> bill davidge wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Ed
>> Why not mount it in the Bow ?
>>
>> Bill Davidge
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 10:31:08 AM
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill D. and GPS/fish locator
>>
>>
>> Bill:
>>
>> On the Eagle/Lowrance equipment the transducer is on the end of a
>> long
>> cord.
>> It would be long enough to reach from the Bulkhead by the V berth
>> under
>> the
>> port side seats to either inside or outside by the bulkhead between
>> cabin
>> and cockpit. The instructions that came with it showed several
>> suggested
>> locations and methods of mounting. Mounting could be in epoxy bed
>> or use
>> the little bracket that comes with it.
>>
>> So to try it out, I use the bracket to bulkhead. Bracket is about
>> 18"
>> lateral from center and I am trying to shoot thru thin part of hull
>> at
>> that
>> point. It should be a few inches away from stubby keel if there is
>> keel
>> at
>> that forward poition. Instructions showed one diagram of putting
>> it in
>> such
>> a location.
>>
>> On a sailboat with a keel, the more forward it reads, the more
>> warning you
>> get of grounding. Keep in mind, "Grounding is an embarrassing
>> situation
>> in
>> which a skipper returns to shore without leaving his boat."
>>
>> Ed K
>> Addendum: Sailing is the fine art of getting wet and becoming ill
>> while
>> slowly going nowhere at great expense.
>>
>>
>>
>> bill davidge wrote:
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> I have a Garmin 498 and it works for me . However I used Rummys
>>> mounting
>>> system .( and it works ok ) but I would like to know how You
>>> mounted it
>>> in
>>> your laz? Also can you send more info on your Airmax . Not sure
>>> what kind
>>> I have and if it would work If I Mounted it in side .
>>>
>>> Thanks Bill Davidge Shadow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Ellner <ellner at pressenter.com>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 9:59:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer capacity and GPS/fish locator
>>>
>>> Thanks Joe & Ed K.
>>>
>>> II'' ckc out the thru hull set up.
>>>
>>> The info I was looking for came directly from the trailer
>>> manufacturer.
>>> The GVWW is 5000 pounds. The trailer weighs 1200 pounds. That
>>> would make
>>> the capacity @ 3800 pounds.
>>>
>>> Rod Ellner Toy Blew
>>>
>>> At 09:13 AM 11/1/2008, you wrote:
>>>> Rod,
>>>> We use a Garmin 468 gps/fishfinder with an Airmax transducer
>>>> mounted in
>>>> the laz. It works great. No problems with shooting through the
>>>> hull
>>>> and no worries about snagging a skimmer transducer.
>>>> We have a single axle trailer so can't help you on the double axle.
>>>> Joe
>>>> s/v Harmony, 2000 Rhodes recycled 2008
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> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:47:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: bill davidge <wpdavidge at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing electronics.
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> Thanks Rummy that does make it a lot clearer. Is yours still on
> some PVC hanging off the back of your boat ?
>
> Bill Davidge
>
>
>
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>
> People,
> Not only are we way over thinking this, but you are forgetting some
> very
> basic details. First, a GPS receives signals from space, usually a
> minimum of at
> least four satellites at the same time. It has to have a clear view
> of the
> sky, not impeded by the pop top or other obstacles.
> A fish finder will also work as a depth sounder. Mounting the puck
> requires
> a place where there is little disturbed water for
> clarity.....meaning an
> accurate reading for depth, contour and fish. Some also give you water
> temperature. Placing the puck in the lazzerette is handy, but you
> will get disturbed
> water. The further forward you mount it, either thru hull or
> epoxying it to the
> glass, the better the readings will be. That being said, you must
> be careful
> not to place it where the glass is to thick or you will get false
> readings.
> Attached is a drawing showing an easy method to mount the puck without
> glassing it in.
> Lap top computer circuitry does not like salt or humid air. It
> especially
> does not like a dunking. My personal experience with computers on
> boats has not
> been good.
>
> Rummy
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:00:36 -0500
> From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Cc: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Message-ID: <200811031900.mA3J0vGj092798 at raeid23.raenet.com>
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> At 08:59 AM 11/3/2008 -0800, Tom Hogarty wrote:
>> I don't think I need a GPS separate for fish, just a good sonar and
>> screen,
>> and my experience is that is best when when you can see it from
>> several
>> locations. I just want that when I fish, not for most sailing and
>> think it
>> would be best not permanently mounted. I am not sure I could use
>> it mounted
>> on the bulkhead and viewed from the swivel seats.
>
> I got good results by using a handheld GPS clipped into a base
> mount. I placed this right next to my Hummingbird fishfinder on the
> starboard bulkhead. Both units detach easily for storage (or in the
> case of the GPS, for use elsewhere). See attached photos, one of the
> mounts and one with the electronics installed.
>
> The transducer for the fishfinder is mounted on the end of a short
> length of PVC clamped to the transom. I can adjust the depth of the
> transducer to get still water if it acts up. But most of the time it
> seems to work just fine and I haven't had to adjust it. FYI - this
> unit also provides water temp.
>
> Mostly I use the GPS for speed and time. One screen display is a
> large-digit version with just the essentials on it and that's where I
> usually set it. I can read that from anywhere in the cockpit. The
> fishfinder has a large version of the depth reading that is overlayed
> in the corner of the sonar graphic as it paints across. Again, this
> is easily readable from anywhere in the cockpit.
>
> Cheers!
>
> John Lock
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> Lake Sinclair, GA
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:25:02 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing electronics additioan reply to
> Captain Rummy
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Message-ID: <20308927.post at talk.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> Bill:
>
> Captain Rummy's diagram is one of the suggested diagrams in my
> instruction
> book.
>
> Bill asked, "Why not mount it in the Bow?" Most Rhodes 22's have
> solid
> floatation foam in the bow.
>
> Ben's reply demonstrates a political viewpoint. A conservative
> seeks to
> find the best results. A conservative seeks maximize location and
> usefulness of the unit. Thus far the comments have seams to
> indicate that a
> forward location has less turbulence and should have fewer problems
> with
> muscles. While being 12 to 15 feet forward is a negligible gain if
> you
> compute say 15 feet at 3 knots, it is still a plus. Located on the
> inside of
> the forward bulkhead is not a difficult location to install.
>
> And you can always dunk it on the outside of transom. Rhodies have
> been
> sucessful doing that.
>
> Ed K
> addendum: Marina: Commercial dock facility. Among the few places,
> under
> law, where certain forms of piracy are still permitted, most marinas
> have
> up-to-date facilities for the disposal of excess amounts of U.S.
> currency
> that may have accumulated on board ship, causing a fire hazard.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> bill davidge wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Rummy that does make it a lot clearer. Is yours still on
>> some PVC
>> hanging off the back of your boat ?
>>
>> Bill Davidge
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "R22RumRunner at aol.com" <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 1:03:15 PM
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing electronics.
>>
>>
>> People,
>> Not only are we way over thinking this, but you are forgetting some
>> very
>> basic details. First, a GPS receives signals from space, usually a
>> minimum
>> of at
>> least four satellites at the same time. It has to have a clear view
>> of the
>> sky, not impeded by the pop top or other obstacles.
>> A fish finder will also work as a depth sounder. Mounting the puck
>> requires
>> a place where there is little disturbed water for
>> clarity.....meaning an
>> accurate reading for depth, contour and fish. Some also give you
>> water
>> temperature. Placing the puck in the lazzerette is handy, but you
>> will get
>> disturbed
>> water. The further forward you mount it, either thru hull or
>> epoxying it
>> to the
>> glass, the better the readings will be. That being said, you must be
>> careful
>> not to place it where the glass is to thick or you will get false
>> readings.
>> Attached is a drawing showing an easy method to mount the puck
>> without
>> glassing it in.
>> Lap top computer circuitry does not like salt or humid air. It
>> especially
>> does not like a dunking. My personal experience with computers on
>> boats
>> has not
>> been good.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>> **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out
>> Today's
>> Hot
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:25:23 -0500
> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing electronics.
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <75.72.27164.7205F094 at BL-206>
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>
> Bill,
> I think that was us with the fishfinder transducer mounted on the PVC
> pipe hanging from the stern rail. It works well and doesn't get
> fouled because it can be raised out of the water when not in use. We
> use the depth mostly for navigating (in the channel?, out of the
> channel?, following a depth contour around a point of land, etc.)
> Don't have time to hunt for the links right now but I posted pictures
> in January 2006 if someone wants to hunt it up in the archives.
>
> Mary Lou
>
>
> At 01:47 PM 11/3/2008, you wrote:
>> Thanks Rummy that does make it a lot clearer. Is yours still on
>> some PVC hanging off the back of your boat ?
>>
>> Bill Davidge
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "R22RumRunner at aol.com" <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 1:03:15 PM
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing electronics.
>>
>>
>> People,
>> Not only are we way over thinking this, but you are forgetting some
>> very
>> basic details. First, a GPS receives signals from space, usually a
>> minimum of at
>> least four satellites at the same time. It has to have a clear view
>> of the
>> sky, not impeded by the pop top or other obstacles.
>> A fish finder will also work as a depth sounder. Mounting the puck
>> requires
>> a place where there is little disturbed water for
>> clarity.....meaning an
>> accurate reading for depth, contour and fish. Some also give you
>> water
>> temperature. Placing the puck in the lazzerette is handy, but you
>> will get disturbed
>> water. The further forward you mount it, either thru hull or
>> epoxying it to the
>> glass, the better the readings will be. That being said, you must
>> be careful
>> not to place it where the glass is to thick or you will get false
>> readings.
>> Attached is a drawing showing an easy method to mount the puck
>> without
>> glassing it in.
>> Lap top computer circuitry does not like salt or humid air. It
>> especially
>> does not like a dunking. My personal experience with computers on
>> boats has not
>> been good.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>> **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:35:31 -0500
> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID:
> <F6526E681958C24EBBEDCDCBF367FE5901B4746A at elessar.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I've got a hand held Garwin Legend Extrex that I borrowed from work to
> try out. It tracks great, but the "map" that the track is traced on
> is
> off. It's shifted enough so that it shows me sailing on the land, not
> the lake. Anyone know if there is a calibration feature? The manual
> doesn't list one. Anyone had a similar problem? - rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Lock
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:01 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Cc: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
>
> At 08:59 AM 11/3/2008 -0800, Tom Hogarty wrote:
>> I don't think I need a GPS separate for fish, just a good sonar and
> screen,
>> and my experience is that is best when when you can see it from
> several
>> locations. I just want that when I fish, not for most sailing and
> think it
>> would be best not permanently mounted. I am not sure I could use it
> mounted
>> on the bulkhead and viewed from the swivel seats.
>
> I got good results by using a handheld GPS clipped into a base
> mount. I placed this right next to my Hummingbird fishfinder on the
> starboard bulkhead. Both units detach easily for storage (or in the
> case of the GPS, for use elsewhere). See attached photos, one of the
> mounts and one with the electronics installed.
>
> The transducer for the fishfinder is mounted on the end of a short
> length of PVC clamped to the transom. I can adjust the depth of the
> transducer to get still water if it acts up. But most of the time it
> seems to work just fine and I haven't had to adjust it. FYI - this
> unit also provides water temp.
>
> Mostly I use the GPS for speed and time. One screen display is a
> large-digit version with just the essentials on it and that's where I
> usually set it. I can read that from anywhere in the cockpit. The
> fishfinder has a large version of the depth reading that is overlayed
> in the corner of the sonar graphic as it paints across. Again, this
> is easily readable from anywhere in the cockpit.
>
> Cheers!
>
> John Lock
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> Lake Sinclair, GA
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:30:43 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing electronics.
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <D9251EFD74F745A4AD3BF798428ABC80 at ebsoffice>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Mary Lou,
>
> I think that the original discussion with your pix was at:
> http://www.nabble.com/depth-transducer-Re%3A-GPS-and-Depth-Finder-p2372016.html
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>Sent: Monday, November
> 03, 2008
> 2:25 PM
>> Bill,
>> I think that was us with the fishfinder transducer mounted on the PVC
>> pipe hanging from the stern rail. It works well and doesn't get
>> fouled because it can be raised out of the water when not in use. We
>> use the depth mostly for navigating (in the channel?, out of the
>> channel?, following a depth contour around a point of land, etc.)
>> Don't have time to hunt for the links right now but I posted pictures
>> in January 2006 if someone wants to hunt it up in the archives.
>>
>> Mary Lou
>>
>>
>> At 01:47 PM 11/3/2008, you wrote:
>>> Thanks Rummy that does make it a lot clearer. Is yours still on
>>> some PVC hanging off the back of your boat ?
>>>
>>> Bill Davidge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "R22RumRunner at aol.com" <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 1:03:15 PM
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing electronics.
>>>
>>>
>>> People,
>>> Not only are we way over thinking this, but you are forgetting
>>> some very
>>> basic details. First, a GPS receives signals from space, usually a
>>> minimum of at
>>> least four satellites at the same time. It has to have a clear
>>> view of the
>>> sky, not impeded by the pop top or other obstacles.
>>> A fish finder will also work as a depth sounder. Mounting the puck
>>> requires
>>> a place where there is little disturbed water for
>>> clarity.....meaning an
>>> accurate reading for depth, contour and fish. Some also give you
>>> water
>>> temperature. Placing the puck in the lazzerette is handy, but you
>>> will get disturbed
>>> water. The further forward you mount it, either thru hull or
>>> epoxying it to the
>>> glass, the better the readings will be. That being said, you must be
>>> careful
>>> not to place it where the glass is to thick or you will get false
>>> readings.
>>> Attached is a drawing showing an easy method to mount the puck
>>> without
>>> glassing it in.
>>> Lap top computer circuitry does not like salt or humid air. It
>>> especially
>>> does not like a dunking. My personal experience with computers on
>>> boats has not
>>> been good.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>> **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out
>>> Today's
>>> Hot
>>> 5 Travel Deals!
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:36:45 -0500
> From: "Andrew Collins" <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing electronics.
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID:
> <999352ba0811031236u36a9160bn4bc685e6b42abf25 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Bill
>
> I also installed the triducer (depth, speed and water temp) off of a
> pvc
> pipe support off the transom similar to Raven's. It is a shameless
> coopy of
> Mary Lou's installation, although I use bungee cords to hold it on,
> and I
> think Raven's is one U bolt and an inverted J. I have attached the
> pix ML
> sent soem time ago for reference.
>
> The Furuno I have uses an Airmax transducer and it is fine except
> the speed
> is off by a variable factor and i can't get them, or couldn't, to
> help. I
> can get you more info on my hrdware if you like. I am happy with the
> depth,
> temp and fishfinder capabilities. Sometimes I bring my car gps along
> to see
> speed, but by now I can tell how fast the boat is anyhow, and just
> turn it
> all off to get in a nice sail without technology that reminds me of
> the
> office.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>> I think that was us with the fishfinder transducer mounted on the PVC
>> pipe hanging from the stern rail. It works well and doesn't get
>> fouled because it can be raised out of the water when not in use. We
>> use the depth mostly for navigating (in the channel?, out of the
>> channel?, following a depth contour around a point of land, etc.)
>> Don't have time to hunt for the links right now but I posted pictures
>> in January 2006 if someone wants to hunt it up in the archives.
>>
>> Mary Lou
>>
>>
>> At 01:47 PM 11/3/2008, you wrote:
>>> Thanks Rummy that does make it a lot clearer. Is yours still on
>>> some PVC hanging off the back of your boat ?
>>>
>>> Bill Davidge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "R22RumRunner at aol.com" <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 1:03:15 PM
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing electronics.
>>>
>>>
>>> People,
>>> Not only are we way over thinking this, but you are forgetting
>>> some very
>>> basic details. First, a GPS receives signals from space, usually a
>>> minimum of at
>>> least four satellites at the same time. It has to have a clear
>>> view of the
>>> sky, not impeded by the pop top or other obstacles.
>>> A fish finder will also work as a depth sounder. Mounting the puck
>> requires
>>> a place where there is little disturbed water for
>>> clarity.....meaning an
>>> accurate reading for depth, contour and fish. Some also give you
>>> water
>>> temperature. Placing the puck in the lazzerette is handy, but you
>>> will get disturbed
>>> water. The further forward you mount it, either thru hull or
>>> epoxying it to the
>>> glass, the better the readings will be. That being said, you must be
>> careful
>>> not to place it where the glass is to thick or you will get false
>> readings.
>>> Attached is a drawing showing an easy method to mount the puck
>>> without
>>> glassing it in.
>>> Lap top computer circuitry does not like salt or humid air. It
>>> especially
>>> does not like a dunking. My personal experience with computers on
>>> boats has not
>>> been good.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>> **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out
>>> Today's
>> Hot
>>> 5 Travel Deals!
>>> (
>> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel
>> ?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001
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> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:38:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Herb's sailing trip
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>
> Art;
>
> Don't remember John Foard. What ship? I was on Exploit 1970-1972,
> out of
> Duke NROTC. Lived on Ashley Shores Dr. in Charleston. (Missed your
> message,
> sorry for delay).
>
> Ben C.
>
> Arthur H. Czerwonky wrote:
>>
>> Ben,
>> Ever know an officer named John Foard? He is a good fried and
>> classmate.
>> Art
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>> Sent: Oct 28, 2008 8:21 PM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Herb's sailing trip
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> I have mentioned that part of my excitment in acquiring a Rhodes
>>> 22 this
>>> year came from the fact that I served aboard a Philip Rhodes
>>> designed
>>> oceangoing minesweeper; a naval combatant vessel designed (and
>>> built) in
> the
>>> early 1950's when we needed wooden-hulled ships to avoid destruction
>>> (theoretically) from magnetic mines. She was 171' long, drew about
>>> 12' of
>>> water, had 4 500hp aluminum Packard diesel engines for main
>>> propulsion,
> twin
>>> variable pitch props, and could do about 16 kts wide open. She
>>> wasn't bad
>>> looking with a "tuna clipper type" bow and a low counter from
>>> which we
> could
>>> stream minesweeping gear off the stern. Mine was the USS EXPLOIT
>>> (MSO
> 440)
>>> and I was the engineering officer (the logical choice since I had
>>> been a
>>> political science major and knew nothing about diesels, electricity,
>>> machinery, or engineering).
>>>
>>> Anyway, I had never gotten seasick until some genius decided we
>>> should
> help
>>> land a battalion of marines at Reid State Park in Maine in JANUARY
>>> of
> 1972.
>>> Operation "Snowy Beach". I have never been so cold. We had an open
> bridge
>>> (no heat) and the weather was miserable. Our little division of 4
>>> MSO's
> was
>>> ordered to a course that put us right in the trough of the seas.
>>> It was
> just
>>> like "The Caine Mutiny". We were taking the most frightening rolls
>>> in
> those
>>> seas (I swear to this day I read the clinometer as taking a 52
>>> degree
> roll).
>>> I thought I was pretty salty but I was terrified.
>>>
>>> I got off watch and went below to try to wedge myself into a bunk,
>>> but had
>>> to pass through the crew's mess, where afew saltier Chiefs were
>>> chowing
> down
>>> on big plates of "Chef Boy ar Dee" canned ravioli. I lost my
>>> lunch, dinner
>>> and breakfast in one great barf. And the worst part is, once
>>> you're sick
> you
>>> stay sick. It was the worst three days of my life. I thought I was
>>> going
> to
>>> die.
>>>
>>> Thanks for evoking that memory. I haven't thought about my
>>> seasickness
>>> adventure in a long time.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Ben C.
>>>
>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nice story, Herb. Thanks for writing it up. I can tell you
>>>> something
>>>> about
>>>> sea sickness. I had it once but oddly it happened in much calmer
>>>> seas
>>>> than
>>>> other rides I've been on so it might have been something I ate.
>>>> It was
>>>> absolutely miserable. You only need one thing to make you
>>>> comfortable
>>>> and
>>>> you're not going to get it--for the boat to stop rocking. So every
>>>> second
>>>> is pure misery. I did all the things they say to do--stay top
>>>> side and
>>>> watch the horizon, etc. but nothing stopped the motion so nothing
>>>> stopped
>>>> the sickness. It eventually subsided after about an hour even
>>>> though
>>>> the
>>>> boat was still rocking and then I was fine. We didn't have
>>>> Dramamine on
>>>> board so I don't know if that helps.
>>>>
>>>> Another time at sea when I was performing on a cruise ship, we
>>>> hit a bad
>>>> storm and most were sick--not me this time. I've never seen so
>>>> much
>>>> mass
>>>> puking in my life. It was surrealistic and actually became funny
>>>> but
>>>> only
>>>> because it wasn't happening to me. The real tragedy was that every
>>>> bottle
>>>> in the crew bar slid off the shelves and broke. Not funny.
>>>>
>>>> Slim
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You know how sometimes you have a thought in your head - you
>>>>> know what
>>>>> you're thinking but can't quite put it into words? (Maybe you
>>>>> don't
>>>>> know, maybe that's just approaching senility) Anyway, you came
>>>>> up with
>>>>> the term I was looking for - I'd like to know what my threshold
>>>>> level
>>>>> is
>>>>> on seasickness.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure if I was in a real storm (haven't been dere done dat
>>>>> yet) on
>>>>> the open water, and trying to sleep below, I'd succumb. I'm sure
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> not
>>>>> immune (I don't think anyone is), but I can tell that my
>>>>> tolerance is
>>>>> higher than many.
>>>>>
>>>>> Caesar Paul wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the account of your sailing trip; you told it well. I
>>>>> would
>>>>> like to sail out in the wild and beautiful blue yonder
>>>>> sometime. My
>>>>> hope
>>>>> is
>>>>> that is somewhere in my future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like it was a lot of fun. I have never been sea-sick
>>>>>> either
>>>>> and
>>>>> am curious to discover what my threshold level is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Caesar
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Herb's sailing trip
>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:36 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A friend of mine from NO (Slidell actually), lost his boat that
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> slipped across mine during Katrina. He used the insurance money
>>>>>> to
>>>>> buy
>>>>> a
>>>>>> 39' Allied Princess in Florida, and needed it to be moved to
>>>>>> Houston.
>>>>> We
>>>>>> planned on 7 days, but had a little trouble with the diesel and
>>>>>> had
>>>>> to
>>>>>> detour to Biloxi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had actually sailed my boat down the coast of Texas from Corpus
>>>>>> Christi to Port Isabel (and almost decided to move to Port
>>>>>> Isabel in
>>>>> the
>>>>>> process), but that was the first time time to lose sight of land.
>>>>> There
>>>>>> is something almost magical about looking behind you, and
>>>>>> suddenly
>>>>>> realizing that even the haze of the hotel buildings is gone,
>>>>>> and all
>>>>> you
>>>>>> see is sky and water. I honestly believe that is what I was
>>>>>> born for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The waves glow at night in some areas with the luminance of the
>>>>> marine
>>>>>> life in them. We had flying fish literally fly into the cockpit
>>>>>> (we
>>>>>> didn't eat them, though I asked if they were decent food). I was
>>>>> shocked
>>>>>> at the depth, and breadth, of the Gulf waters that turn from
>>>>>> blue to
>>>>>> brown from the flow of the Mississippi. And there's something
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> almost haunting to hear an oil platform's low moan of a warning
>>>>>> siren
>>>>>> when your surrounded by darkness and a light fog. Another
>>>>>> memory that
>>>>>> stands out clearly was watching a Carnival Cruise liner pass in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> darkness, lit up like a small city, and thinking to myself "Those
>>>>> people
>>>>>> think THAT'S a cruise...."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never been seasick in my life, and thought this would be a
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> time to find how much I can take. Though we never had bad
>>>>>> weather,
>>>>> the
>>>>>> second night out, it was VERY rough seas. The layout of the
>>>>>> Allied
>>>>>> Princess doesn't have as much room as other boats the same size
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I've seen, and the "plan" was for the four of us was to alternate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> between the two usable berths (one older guy couldn't stand
>>>>>> watch,
>>>>> but
>>>>>> he was a great cook, and wanted to make one last sail, sadly,
>>>>>> this
>>>>> was
>>>>>> it, he passed six months later, more on him in a moment). I was
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> excited, I stayed awake all of the first night. The second
>>>>>> night, the
>>>>>> rough sees night, I told them I was going to make room for
>>>>>> myself in
>>>>> the
>>>>>> V-berth, so I wouldn't have to alternate berths. They all
>>>>>> laughed and
>>>>>> said I'd last a night at the most.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember bedding down after my 10-2 (10pm, 2am) watch in 10'
>>>>>> seas,
>>>>>> thinking "OK, this isn't so bad. Sort of like a ride at Six
>>>>>> Flags.
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> not sure I can sleep though...." Next thing I knew, it was
>>>>>> 6:30, and
>>>>> the
>>>>>> cook was asking me if I wanted to eat breakfast or sleep all day.
>>>>> They
>>>>>> all laughed about how they could see air underneath me on some
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> waves, but I never stirred.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had the last laugh, we had blueberry pancakes. ALL of them lost
>>>>> their
>>>>>> breakfast. I did not. I've still never been seasick. I hope for
>>>>> another
>>>>>> opportunity someday soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cook (I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember his name), had
>>>>> major
>>>>>> heart surgery about 6 months prior. He was told that he would
>>>>> probably
>>>>>> not survive. He sold his two boats, and his retirement homes, to
>>>>> provide
>>>>>> for his wife.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then he survived, and was boatless. He told the owner that he
>>>>>> would
>>>>> like
>>>>>> to come with us for one final sail, but couldn't handle the
>>>>>> rigors of
>>>>>> standing a regular watch. He would ride along, relieve briefly
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> needed, but would cook all of our meals. This guy was amazing
>>>>>> at what
>>>>> he
>>>>>> could cook on an alcohol stove, in a pitching boat on 10' seas.
>>>>>> We
>>>>> ate
>>>>>> like kings, I kid you not. When we fixed the clogged fuel
>>>>>> filters in
>>>>>> Biloxi, he begged off the rest of the trip. It was too hard on
>>>>>> him,
>>>>> but
>>>>>> he thanked us profusely for the opportunity to sail again. I was
>>>>> proud
>>>>>> to have been a small part of giving that to another sailor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On last funny story from the trip. Because I was (believe it or
>>>>>> not)
>>>>> the
>>>>>> youngest of the remaining 3 (at 49 years old), I drew cooking
>>>>>> duties.
>>>>>> I'm not a cook. My first morning, I said "Well guys, no blueberry
>>>>>> pancakes, but I've done my best. You've got two choices:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can have scrambled egges
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or you can go hungry"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the plus side, everyone kept breakfast down on that calm
>>>>>> morning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone (OK, ALMOST anyone) needing help moving a boat across the
>>>>> water,
>>>>>> give me a shout. That was one of the best vacations I've had.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>> Tell me about the time on the Gulf, business or pleasure?
>>>>> What
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> form
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of transport. Exotic or mundane?
>>>>>>> And yes no one should judge you (or me) till they've introduced
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> themselves
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and gotten to know us, I think.
>>>>>>> Chris G
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:02 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How much time do you spend on the
>>>>> computer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really DON'T mean to just be argumentative on this one, but I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> DON'T
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> see Metaphor's point. I've come home (after sailing across the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> gulf for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 10 days) to over 3000 emails in my in box. I dare say I didn't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> miss any
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> important ones. The little red X in Thunderbird is pretty
>>>>>>>> easy to
>>>>> use.
>>>>>>>> It only takes me a line or two to see if an email is
>>>>>>>> something I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> really
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> need, or just chatter. Most are chatter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that well reasoned, and humorous response;
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> C. I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> never quite dispair, and then you come through with such a
>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I see Metaphor's point but if he just stays around till after
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> election
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> he can bennifite from all the Fasciests, Commies, Sheep, and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wolves on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> list because after all we are all boating lambs...well
>>>>>>>>> except when
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> comes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to which type of motor to use, or anchor or.......
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris G
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:53 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How much time do you spend on the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> computer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Wager/Crabber?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you a gambler? Perhaps a crabber?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rude? Self impressed? No sir, I'm a pilot. Think about
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> it and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> figure it out for yourself. Little man - aggrandized view of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> your own
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> importance? What part of pilot don't you get? I'm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> not a aggrandized
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> little man, I am a god!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Listen. My adventures have been "bigger-than-life"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> for a kid of a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> construction worker from a town of 650 people. The amazing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> thing is,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> they are not bullshit and if you envy them then you have a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Again, many of us on this board have dined and stayed at each
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> other's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> house, sailed on each other's boats, and come to each
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> other's rescue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in private. You might want to lurk a bit longer before you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> become so
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> judgmental.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To answer your question about boats and boat names - I once
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> owned a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rhodes22 and I regret the day I sold it. I now own a 30'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> S2 named the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "CoraShen" after my daughter Cora and her
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> grandfather Mr. Shen. Mr.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Shen died recently. He was a "little man" who was
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> "aggrandized" by
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> his thousands of employees and one of the kindest and
>>>>>>>>>> gentlest
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> men I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ever met. His story is buried in the archives of this list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a lot of interesting history there, and as Ed would say,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> "search the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> archives".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you should consider barking for awhile on this list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> before you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> default to biting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Metaphor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <mwager at bluecrab.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Haslitt,
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I get the impression that you are a rude, self
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> impressed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> man with an aggrandized view of your own importance. You
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> copy a lot
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> posts from other sources, and tell grand stories about
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> yourself and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> bigger-than-life adventures, but otherwise offer little of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> substance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> people don't agree with you, you belittle them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you own or sail a Rhodes? If not, why are you even on
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> this forum?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have had many questions answered by sailors, but none by
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> you I learn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> by simply listening to what they have to say. You just
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> seem to blow
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> own horn so loudly that only you can hear the sound of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> your own
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pomposity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are forums out there that are in the big leagues.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You might find
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> challenges in one of those more demanding than pandering
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> to your two
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> friends
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> on this one. Other forums that I participate in have an
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> PM (private
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> mnessage) option that allows for personal conversation
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> between
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> individuals.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If it is not available on this thread, you might try
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> regular emails
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you and your two other friends.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I probably could figure out how to use the filters here,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> but too often
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> these threads, posts are not properly (should I say
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> honestly) labeled,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> filters don't work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, Metaphor is the name of my boat. What is the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> name of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yours?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Met, uh, Phor?
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're smart enough to bitch, you're probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> smart enough to filter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> your e-mail.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Metaphor
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <mwager at bluecrab.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got a simple question, but mostly applied
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> to Herb and Brad, and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Tootle:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you guys have jobs or real lives, or do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> spend all day on the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then posting to this forum? There are a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> couple of other volume
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> posters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but none so prolific as you are. I get the sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that the sailors
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much giving up getting airtime in competition with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the political
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> nature
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this forum.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I try to follow the various threads, but have lost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> interest in this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> forum
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it has so little to do with sailing,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rhodes 22's or nautical
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> general. Reading the same paranoid information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> from the three of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and over again is tiresome, so much so that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've begun to applaud
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> challengers -- Ben C, petelargo, etc., simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> because they are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenging
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you, and I have (but not always) voted Republican.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your time would be better spent arguing on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> political forum rather
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sailing one, and leaving this forum to talk about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the boring details
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhodes 22 -- you know, technical issues,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> innovative re-designs or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> fixes,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sailing techniques, great sailing adventures, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> kind of stuff of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Rhodes 22 owners and sailors... certainly there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> would be fewer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> posts,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Rhodes 22 boat issues would not be so buried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> under the volume of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> political posts found here. A search of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> internet would probably
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> few sites that you might find more of a political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> nature. Thanks...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/How-much-time-do-you-spend-on-the-computer--tp20180185p20180185.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nabble.com.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/How-much-time-do-you-spend-on-the-computer--tp20180185p20180851.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nabble.com.
>>>>>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:42:14 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Rob,
>
> To replace my antique Garmin GPS, I bought a Garmin Legend eTrex C
> last
> summer on eBay for $45, spent another $7 on a PC interface cable and
> find it
> to be just a great little unit. I keep it in my pocket or in a bag
> on the
> stern rail. I use it on battery - no installation required.
> Rubberized
> case keeps it from sliding when in use (just placed on laz,
> mostly.) These
> are color LCDs that are very readable in sunlight and great on
> batteries.
>
> You may need to update the software on yours. Check out the Garmin
> site:
> https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/downloadsUpdates.jsp?product=010-00358-00&cID=167&pID=255
>
> The full manual may be downloaded at:
> http://www.garmin.com/manuals/eTrexLegendC_OwnersManual.pdf
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008
> 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
>> I've got a hand held Garwin Legend Extrex that I borrowed from work
>> to
>> try out. It tracks great, but the "map" that the track is traced
>> on is
>> off. It's shifted enough so that it shows me sailing on the land,
>> not
>> the lake. Anyone know if there is a calibration feature? The manual
>> doesn't list one. Anyone had a similar problem? - rob
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Lock
>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:01 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Cc: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Actual boating question
>>
>> At 08:59 AM 11/3/2008 -0800, Tom Hogarty wrote:
>>> I don't think I need a GPS separate for fish, just a good sonar and
>> screen,
>>> and my experience is that is best when when you can see it from
>> several
>>> locations. I just want that when I fish, not for most sailing and
>> think it
>>> would be best not permanently mounted. I am not sure I could use it
>> mounted
>>> on the bulkhead and viewed from the swivel seats.
>>
>> I got good results by using a handheld GPS clipped into a base
>> mount. I placed this right next to my Hummingbird fishfinder on the
>> starboard bulkhead. Both units detach easily for storage (or in the
>> case of the GPS, for use elsewhere). See attached photos, one of the
>> mounts and one with the electronics installed.
>>
>> The transducer for the fishfinder is mounted on the end of a short
>> length of PVC clamped to the transom. I can adjust the depth of the
>> transducer to get still water if it acts up. But most of the time it
>> seems to work just fine and I haven't had to adjust it. FYI - this
>> unit also provides water temp.
>>
>> Mostly I use the GPS for speed and time. One screen display is a
>> large-digit version with just the essentials on it and that's where I
>> usually set it. I can read that from anywhere in the cockpit. The
>> fishfinder has a large version of the depth reading that is overlayed
>> in the corner of the sonar graphic as it paints across. Again, this
>> is easily readable from anywhere in the cockpit.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> John Lock
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:10:11 -0500
> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing electronics.
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> That's it!.
>
> Thanks Mike. We were out getting some of the gear off of Fretless. If
> the weather cooperates we're taking her out for the winter tomorrow.
>
> Mary Lou
>
>
> At 03:30 PM 11/3/2008, you wrote:
>> Mary Lou,
>>
>> I think that the original discussion with your pix was at:
>> http://www.nabble.com/depth-transducer-Re%3A-GPS-and-Depth-Finder-p2372016.html
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>Sent: Monday, November
>> 03, 2008
>> 2:25 PM
>>> Bill,
>>> I think that was us with the fishfinder transducer mounted on the
>>> PVC
>>> pipe hanging from the stern rail. It works well and doesn't get
>>> fouled because it can be raised out of the water when not in use. We
>>> use the depth mostly for navigating (in the channel?, out of the
>>> channel?, following a depth contour around a point of land, etc.)
>>> Don't have time to hunt for the links right now but I posted
>>> pictures
>>> in January 2006 if someone wants to hunt it up in the archives.
>>>
>>> Mary Lou
>>>
>>>
>>> At 01:47 PM 11/3/2008, you wrote:
>>>> Thanks Rummy that does make it a lot clearer. Is yours still on
>>>> some PVC hanging off the back of your boat ?
>>>>
>>>> Bill Davidge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "R22RumRunner at aol.com" <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 1:03:15 PM
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing electronics.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> People,
>>>> Not only are we way over thinking this, but you are forgetting
>>>> some very
>>>> basic details. First, a GPS receives signals from space, usually a
>>>> minimum of at
>>>> least four satellites at the same time. It has to have a clear
>>>> view of the
>>>> sky, not impeded by the pop top or other obstacles.
>>>> A fish finder will also work as a depth sounder. Mounting the puck
>>>> requires
>>>> a place where there is little disturbed water for
>>>> clarity.....meaning an
>>>> accurate reading for depth, contour and fish. Some also give you
>>>> water
>>>> temperature. Placing the puck in the lazzerette is handy, but you
>>>> will get disturbed
>>>> water. The further forward you mount it, either thru hull or
>>>> epoxying it to the
>>>> glass, the better the readings will be. That being said, you must
>>>> be
>>>> careful
>>>> not to place it where the glass is to thick or you will get false
>>>> readings.
>>>> Attached is a drawing showing an easy method to mount the puck
>>>> without
>>>> glassing it in.
>>>> Lap top computer circuitry does not like salt or humid air. It
>>>> especially
>>>> does not like a dunking. My personal experience with computers on
>>>> boats has not
>>>> been good.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:11:17 -0500
> From: Robert Fuller <Bobandsandy at tampabay.rr.com>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Yamaha (non) cooling system.
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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> Rare post from dedicated reader :
> I have little mechanical ability and paid a free-lance mechanic to
> change the impeller on my Yamaha 9.9 with a total of less than 75 salt
> water hours on it after 2 years. Rapid onset of problem. Impeller was
> fried. Still didn't pee right and today we found the cooling tube
> running from the lower unit up thru the oil pan was more than 50%
> occluded by a lining of soft corrosion (also extending on up towards
> the motor head). He says the basic problem is yamaha uses substandard
> aluminum in the oil pan (and he has seen pans expand and burst
> through motor housings).
> I flush the motor religiously for a timed 10 minutes after every short
> use. Mechanic further claims the thermostat can cause flush water to
> remain in motor rather than drain and that this can be remedied by
> drilling a small vent thru thermostat.
> I have never seen this problem reported in several years of reading
> posts. Does it make sense to anybody? Other thoughts? Especially on
> preventing recurrence?
> Lower unit and powerhead currently in his shop where he plans to check
> functionality of water pump and see if I blew head gasket. (back
> pressure then impede water flow).
> Bob in Cortez, Fl.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:41:02 -0600
> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - Spread Your Wealth, Not Mine
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID:
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> Update,
>
> So he knew, surprise, surprise! Thanks for the help, nephew.
>
> Brad
>
> -----------------------
>
> Aunt Zeituni's Protectors
>
> By The Prowler on 11.3.08 @ 10:49AM
>
> ALL IN THE FAMILY
> Senior aides to Sen. Barack Obama and Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick
> were aware that Obama's aunt, Zeituni Onyango, was living in the
> United States illegally and in a South Boston public-housing project,
> and were monitoring her at the request of senior Obama campaign
> officials, according to a current employee for Obama's key political
> consulting firm, AKP&D Message and Media.
>
> Back in early 2007, as Obama's chief campaign strategist David Axelrod
> was organizing and planning the Obama campaign, he identified Obama's
> unique family situation -- a number of half-brothers, sisters, aunts,
> uncles, some living overseas -- as a potential problem, says an
> employee for Axelrod's political consulting firm, and who has done
> work on the Obama campaign. "Given [Obama's] father's family history
> here and in Africa, David wanted the campaign to know who was who,
> where they lived, and what they were doing. No surprises. We knew she
> was here illegally. We knew her income levels, but I don't think
> anyone from the campaign had had contact with her."
>
> Instead, according to the source, Axelrod reached out to his former
> client, Patrick, who had retained Axelrod's firm for his run for
> governor. Onyango was living in a state-funded housing project, "so
> Patrick's people could just as easily keep track of things, and could
> do it without drawing a ton of attention," says the AKP&D Message and
> Media employee, who requested anonymity as he hopes to get a job in an
> Obama administration should the candidate win. "If we had Obama people
> around, the media would probably have found her much sooner. She was
> in [Obama's] book, it wasn't like she couldn't be found." Indeed, that
> is exactly how the London Times found her.
>
> While the South Boston housing project is managed by the Boston
> Housing Authority, it is a state-funded facility, according to the BHA
> press office, and so it would not be uncommon for state housing
> officials to be on the grounds or in the area. "Patrick was the
> go-between, he's trusted by David and Senator Obama," says the aide.
>
> In fact, Patrick spent most of the past two or three days stumping for
> Obama up and down the East Coast. His and Obama's relationship goes
> back a couple of decades, and the two actually represented ACORN
> together in a civil suit back in 1993. Some Republican political
> operatives believe that Patrick and his political team have been
> cutouts for un-reported cash distributed to ACORN officials around the
> country for Democrat "get out the vote" projects.
>
> Some Obama aides believe that Obama was briefed at least twice by
> Axelrod or campaign manager David Plouffe on the status of family
> members. "We tracked who was talking to the press, we kept in touch
> with some of these people," says an Obama campaign media aide. "Anyone
> who thinks we didn't doesn't understand just how nervous we were about
> all of these people, particularly the members of [Obama's] father's
> family. Axelrod had everything covered." The aide said she was never
> present for such a briefing, but "we all knew the candidate's family
> was being taken care of, to protect their privacy and try to contain
> any damage."
>
> The Obama campaign has denied knowing anything about Onyango's illegal
> status or her poor financial situation.
>
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Interesting update -
>>
>> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D945TEE01&show_article=1
>>
>> So illegals can't contribute to federal elections? Hmmmmm.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Isn't this just sweet! We discussed this last Spring, Mr. Sweetness
>>> and Light was complaining about his Kenyan grandmother not having
>>> running water or electricity. I suggested he drill her a well and
>>> buy
>>> her a generator. The village named a school after him and he
>>> donates
>>> nothing (I donated $100 to the Senator Obama school). His
>>> half-brother lives in a slum in Nigeria and wants to go to auto
>>> mechanics school. Help from his brother? Zip, zero, nada. He
>>> writes
>>> in "Dreams From My Father" about his favorite aunt Zetuni. Once
>>> again, the foreign press does what the American MSM won't do. They
>>> found The One's "favorite" aunt living in a slum in Boston. What a
>>> selfish ass-hat this guy is, and a hypocrite. No money for family
>>> but
>>> $30,000 for "God Damn America" Rev. Wright.
>>>
>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5042571.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:53:43 -0500
> From: jimtracyjohnston at centurytel.net
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway cover storage
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <20081103165343.t1qf27vioc0kcg0s at webmail2.centurytel.net>
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> Quoting David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com>:
> Dave, We have a two piece companionway cover, hinged in the center.
> When folded
> together I slide it next to the refrigerator-ice box in the cabin
> (starboard
> side). There is a piece of wood trim at the bottom of the
> companionway door,
> tilt the folded door up and it fits behind the wood trim very
> secure. If you
> boat is set up the same as ours this will work for you. Good Luck.
> Jim J
>
>> Hi Rob. Mine is the hinged plexiglass version. When folded it
>> slides
>> under the cockpit seat, stands vertically behind the coaming and
>> rests
>> in the slot on the deck. Takes a bit of a reach to slide it up there
>> and back out without scratching things but it's very secure once in
>> place.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>> Where do you store your companionway cover when underway? I have
>>> yet to
>>> find a place where it's not in the way. And is yours one piece or
>>> two?
>>> Mine is one piece (well, two sections joined with a hinge). - rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> S/V Getaway
>>>
>>> 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:56:28 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Yamaha (non) cooling system.
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <9C855204896F4758898671556B95FF4D at ebsoffice>
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>
> Robert,
>
> Sounds like you need a new mechanic!!
>
> Cooling pump impellers do fail. Interestingly, the more they are
> used, the
> longer they seem to last. They usually fail at season startup
> because they
> adhere to the pump housing during dry season.
>
> If the system still doesn't pump correctly after impeller
> replacement, look
> for a leaky pump due to lower unit seal failure. The seal should be
> replaced when the impeller is changed, prior to lower unit assembly to
> engine (the "kit" includes the seals, see
> http://bpi.ebasicpower.com/pc/MAL9-48600/OB-YAMWP/Kit,+Water+Pump+Repair,+Yamaha+9.9-15+HP
>
> Poor mechanics do not usually have gasket so they figure it is still
> usable
> and you have a leak. If the line was "occluded" look for crud that
> was not
> properly cleaned out during initial service activity such as gasket/
> seal
> material trapped in line. Most common problem which requires
> cooling tube
> replacement is improper reassembly of lower unit, not fitting tube
> into
> recess and forcing the lower unit into place, kinking the tube. At
> this
> point a simple job becomes fairly expensive.
>
> BTW, the standard Yamaha thermostat has a "weep hole" to permit
> flush water
> to circulate and drain from motor, I think. I do not think that you
> need to
> drill any additional holes.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "Robert Fuller" <Bobandsandy at tampabay.rr.com> Sent: Monday,
> November
> 03, 2008 4:11 PM
>> Rare post from dedicated reader :
>> I have little mechanical ability and paid a free-lance mechanic to
>> change the impeller on my Yamaha 9.9 with a total of less than 75
>> salt
>> water hours on it after 2 years. Rapid onset of problem. Impeller was
>> fried. Still didn't pee right and today we found the cooling tube
>> running from the lower unit up thru the oil pan was more than 50%
>> occluded by a lining of soft corrosion (also extending on up towards
>> the motor head). He says the basic problem is yamaha uses
>> substandard
>> aluminum in the oil pan (and he has seen pans expand and burst
>> through motor housings).
>> I flush the motor religiously for a timed 10 minutes after every
>> short
>> use. Mechanic further claims the thermostat can cause flush water to
>> remain in motor rather than drain and that this can be remedied by
>> drilling a small vent thru thermostat.
>> I have never seen this problem reported in several years of reading
>> posts. Does it make sense to anybody? Other thoughts? Especially
>> on
>> preventing recurrence?
>> Lower unit and powerhead currently in his shop where he plans to
>> check
>> functionality of water pump and see if I blew head gasket. (back
>> pressure then impede water flow).
>> Bob in Cortez, Fl.
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go
>> to
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>>
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:22:06 -0800
> From: "David Bradley" <dwbrad at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway cover storage
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID:
> <5c154df70811031422v45533b87tef0b00b5e58bedd0 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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> Thanks Jim. I'll have a look next time I'm down to the boat.
> Hopefully a few nice weekends left here before winter.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:53 PM, <jimtracyjohnston at centurytel.net>
> wrote:
>> Quoting David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com>:
>> Dave, We have a two piece companionway cover, hinged in the center.
>> When folded
>> together I slide it next to the refrigerator-ice box in the cabin
>> (starboard
>> side). There is a piece of wood trim at the bottom of the
>> companionway door,
>> tilt the folded door up and it fits behind the wood trim very
>> secure. If you
>> boat is set up the same as ours this will work for you. Good Luck.
>> Jim J
>>
>>> Hi Rob. Mine is the hinged plexiglass version. When folded it
>>> slides
>>> under the cockpit seat, stands vertically behind the coaming and
>>> rests
>>> in the slot on the deck. Takes a bit of a reach to slide it up
>>> there
>>> and back out without scratching things but it's very secure once in
>>> place.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>>> Where do you store your companionway cover when underway? I have
>>>> yet to
>>>> find a place where it's not in the way. And is yours one piece
>>>> or two?
>>>> Mine is one piece (well, two sections joined with a hinge). - rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> S/V Getaway
>>>>
>>>> 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:34:59 -0500
> From: Andrew Collins <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Yamaha (non) cooling system.
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Bob
>
> Sorry I can't help with the motor problem. All ob's , Merc, Johnson
> and Honda all drained themselves as soon as they were raised.
>
> Your old boat recycled in 2006 is doing fine though
>
> Andrew
> S/V Carmen
>
> On Nov 3, 2008, at 16:11, Robert Fuller <Bobandsandy at tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Rare post from dedicated reader :
>> I have little mechanical ability and paid a free-lance mechanic to
>> change the impeller on my Yamaha 9.9 with a total of less than 75
>> salt
>> water hours on it after 2 years. Rapid onset of problem. Impeller was
>> fried. Still didn't pee right and today we found the cooling tube
>> running from the lower unit up thru the oil pan was more than 50%
>> occluded by a lining of soft corrosion (also extending on up towards
>> the motor head). He says the basic problem is yamaha uses
>> substandard
>> aluminum in the oil pan (and he has seen pans expand and burst
>> through motor housings).
>> I flush the motor religiously for a timed 10 minutes after every
>> short
>> use. Mechanic further claims the thermostat can cause flush water to
>> remain in motor rather than drain and that this can be remedied by
>> drilling a small vent thru thermostat.
>> I have never seen this problem reported in several years of reading
>> posts. Does it make sense to anybody? Other thoughts? Especially
>> on
>> preventing recurrence?
>> Lower unit and powerhead currently in his shop where he plans to
>> check
>> functionality of water pump and see if I blew head gasket. (back
>> pressure then impede water flow).
>> Bob in Cortez, Fl.
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