[Rhodes22-list] Foam for outside cushions
Michael D. Weisner
mweisner at ebsmed.com
Mon Nov 10 18:53:05 EST 2008
Jerry,
Thanks for the heads up. I thought that the BottomSiders were very nice
when we sat on them on a friend's boat, but we were only out for an evening
sail and it was a bit cool. On the other hand, the course cushion fabric
that we have leaves marks and has irritated some people, especially my kids
when they were younger. Oh well.
Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY
From: <cjlowe at sssnet.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:44 PM
> We took a couple for a test sail 2 years ago,who had a Potter 19 that had
> bottom sider cushions.They commented on how much better they liked
> Stan's cushions,which were several years old.(came with the boat,when I
> bought it used)They said they didn't like the way bare skin sweated
> when sitting on the bottom siders.Never tried them myself,just something
> you might not think to consider.
> Jerry Lowe
>
>
>
> On 11/10/2008, "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
>>Carol,
>>
>>We are looking at replacing our cushions and really like the ones at:
>>http://www.bottomsiders.com/, although we are not sure that they cost less
>>than the current value of our R22. You might want to ask for a quote.
>>
>>In the make it yourself category, you may find what you want at one of
>>these
>>sites:
>>http://www.foamorder.com/closedcell.html (look at the Flo-Tex)
>>http://www.closedcellfoams.com/minicel.html (look at the Minicell)
>>http://www.marinefoam.com/closedcellacousticalfoam.html?page_type=flotation-foams
>>(look at the Ultra Foam)
>>https://www.outdoortextiles.com/browse.php?CatID=11&SubCatID=66&page=1
>>(they also have Minicell)
>>
>>Some of these companies ship free (I know, you're paying for it
>>somewhere.)
>>
>>Lots to look at and think about. Let us know if you find a reasonable
>>solution.
>>
>>Mike
>>s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>>From: <CarolN8 at aol.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:03 PM
>>>I need to replace the cockpit cushions and Stan said I needed to make
>>>sure
>>>I
>>> used closed cell foam. So does anyone know where to find closed cell
>>> foam
>>> in
>>> my local area? Is there a certain type of store that carries it?
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:53:28 -0600
>>> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes and those who reason only
>>> ...
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>> Thanks John, there are lots of us around.
>>>
>>> Then there are folks who want to deride people because of their
>>> beliefs,
>>> political views etc. You took a polite discussion about eminent domain
>>> and turned it an accusation against Brad and I about "final solutions".
>>>
>>> Maybe you and Slim SHOULD get together. You seem to have many
>>> similarities, and he's looking for someone to do weird stuff to his
>>> ass.
>>>
>>>
>>> John Shulick wrote:
>>>> Steven,
>>>>
>>>> As a fellow alum from Duquesne Univ. I thank you for your support.
>>>> Over
>>>> the
>>>> last 30 or so years I was a church soloist and section leader for just
>>> about
>>>> every major faith and I've seen many Herbs and some spices as
>>>> well.(sorry
>>>> couldn't resist)
>>>>
>>>> John Shulick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have any idea how much you sound like you're talking out your
>>>>> ass?
>>>>> Do you really want to put up your 1099 to show off what you've
>>>>> donated
>>>>> to
>>>>> charity? You're such a bore. I'm going to guess that maybe you
>>>>> tithe a
>>>>> full 10% to your fundamentalist church because they tell you to--out
>>>>> of
>>>>> false compassion. And the money goes to your church--not anything
>>>>> real.
>>>>> Or
>>>>> at best a small percentage. I know you donate your time riding your
>>>>> motorcycle around for stuff but is that actually giving? You're a
>>>>> cheerleader. Great.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the Native Americans you don't seem to have a grasp on
>>>>> history.
>>>>> Just
>>>>> because the Injuns didn't have a concept of land ownership or fences
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> mean the white man didn't take it away from them. You're an idiot.
>>>>> The
>>>>> Indians were living in the stone-age and were decimated by the white
>>>>> man
>>>>> out
>>>>> of greed and arrogance. There was no need for that. To say that
>>>>> they
>>>>> simply met a stronger enemy completely usurps all that compassion and
>>>>> charity that you espouse. You're full of shit! I was born on the
>>>>> Sissiton
>>>>> reservation in South Dakota and you can kiss my ass!
>>>>>
>>>>> Slim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "John,"
>>>>>> (at least you are capable of starting a post properly by addressing
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> name. I assumed you were ignorant at first but now I see you're
>>>>>> simply
>>>>>> rude.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Go screw yourself."
>>>>>> (Sorry to old to bend that way anymore perhaps you could send a pic
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> you accomplish it yourself.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I've never offered anything like a ""final solution"".
>>>>>> You're reference reveals you for what you are."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (you have no clue as to who or what I am)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as me "detesting" anyone, you again speak from total
>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>> I'll make a deal with you though, I'll make my tax returns for the
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> 10 years public on here to show how much I've given to charity if
>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>> do the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Do you recall the parable of the pharisee and the old woman who
>>>>>> went
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> temple to make sacrifice?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You ready to put up? I doubt it. I suspect the size of your mouth is
>>>>>> exceeded mainly by your ego, and your actions are far lacking
>>>>>> compared
>>>>>> to either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (In the mouth and ego department its no contest you win)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the government determines a need for social charity programs,
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> should do so by purchasing land they need. Simple. If it's too
>>>>>> expensive, buy elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (that's what is happening in this instance so what's your problem)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to your notion about "stealing it from the original owners",
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> land are you talking about? You'll have to be a little more
>>>>>> specific.
>>>>>> Some of the Indian tribes didn't ascribe to the notion of "owning
>>>>>> land".
>>>>>> Others regularly took land from each other by armed conflict. So,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> "theft" was actually their normally accepted means of transfer,
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> simply were defeated by a stronger enemy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (like white men with guns and smallpox infested blankets? do the
>>>>>> words
>>>>>> "trail of tears" mean anything to you?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>
>>> http://www.nabble.com/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20414236.html
>>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:57:28 -0600
>>> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes and those who reason only
>>> ...
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Message-ID: <49184BD8.3000201 at parsonsys.com>
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>>>
>>> Sorry John, let's just say that your word for it wouldn't be good
>>> enough
>>> for me, you do keep records, right? If we're just going to say what the
>>> percentage is, we can say.
>>>
>>> Not interested in your social security. That's not giving, that's the
>>> government taking.
>>>
>>> As to your Wiki entry, thanks for confirming what I was trying to say.
>>> It's good to see you are actually capable of learning. 1830 was a tad
>>> later than the founding father's period.
>>>
>>>
>>> John Shulick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "I've got a heck of a deal for you. I'll buy your boat from you
>>>> at the price that I determine is fair, and you can chose to accept it
>>>> or
>>>> .... oh wait, that would be your only choice.
>>>>
>>>> You do understand the implementation of eminent domain, right?"
>>>>
>>>> If you came for my boat I would sink it. If you came for my house I
>>>> would
>>>> burn it. If you came for my land I would render it unusable. You could
>>>> have
>>>> it after you have have hauled my dead body off it.
>>>>
>>>> "The only thing you can do to a free man is kill him." Robert A.
>>>> Heinlein
>>>>
>>>> "You need to study history a little closer. The trail of tears
>>>> happened
>>>> LONG after the founding fathers did their thing, you can't blame that
>>>> one on them."
>>>>
>>>> Excerpt from the Wikipedia
>>>>
>>>> The Trail of Tears was the forced relocation of Native Americans from
>>> their
>>>> homelands to Indian Territory (present day Oklahoma) in the Western
>>>> United
>>>> States. The phrase originated from a description of the removal of the
>>>> Choctaw Nation in 1831. Many Native Americans suffered from exposure,
>>>> disease, and starvation while en route to their destinations, and many
>>> died,
>>>> including, for example, 4,000 of the 15,000 relocated Cherokee.
>>>> Thousands
>>> of
>>>> enslaved and free African-Americans (as slaves accompanying their
>>>> Native
>>>> American slaveowners and as former runaway slaves that were assisted
>>>> by,
>>>> assimilated by, or married to members of the tribes) accompanied the
>>> removed
>>>> nations on the Trail of Tears.
>>>> In 1830, the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Muscogee (Creek), and
>>>> Seminole
>>>> (sometimes collectively referred to as the Five Civilized Tribes) were
>>>> living as autonomous nations in what would be called the American Deep
>>>> South. The process of cultural transformation (proposed by GEORGE
>>> WASHINGTON
>>>> and HENERY KNOX) was gaining momentum, especially among the Cherokee
>>>> and
>>>> Choctaw. Indian removal was first proposed by THOMAS JEFFERSON. Andrew
>>>> Jackson was the first U.S. President to implement removal with the
>>>> passage
>>>> of the Indian Removal Act of 1830. In 1831 the Choctaw were the first
>>>> to
>>>> be
>>>> removed, and they became the model for all other removals. After the
>>>> Choctaw, the Seminole were removed in 1832, the Creek in 1834, then
>>>> the
>>>> Chickasaw in 1837, and finally the Cherokee in 1838.
>>>>
>>>> "I'll make my tax returns for the last
>>>> 10 years public on here to show how much I've given to charity if
>>>> you'll
>>>> do the same."
>>>>
>>>> To many pages to post, HOWEVER I'm Prepared to release my annual
>>>> social
>>>> security statement showing what I've earned in my lifetime and will
>>>> write
>>> in
>>>> how many jobs I had to work to make it along with what I gave to
>>>> charity.(Care to dance?)
>>>>
>>>> John Shulick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:38:07 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes and those who reason only
>>> ...
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID: <20422255.post at talk.nabble.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Thanks John, there are lots of us around."
>>>>
>>>> That's why this country is in such trouble
>>>>
>>>> "Then there are folks who want to deride people because of their
>>>> beliefs,
>>>> political views etc. You took a polite discussion about eminent domain
>>>> and turned it an accusation against Brad and I about "final
>>>> solutions"."
>>>>
>>>> Oh please listen to the pot calling the kettle black. If you don't
>>>> want
>>>> comment about your conversations then don't post them in a public
>>>> forum
>>>> such as this. Use the back channel or private e-mails to amuse
>>>> yourselves
>>>> with your conservative nonsense, please leave the rest of us out of
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> "Maybe you and Slim SHOULD get together. You seem to have many
>>>> similarities, and he's looking for someone to do weird stuff to his
>>>> ass."
>>>>
>>>> I would consider performing with Steven if he were so inclined and the
>>>> time presented itself. the only ass I'm concerned with is the one I'm
>>>> responding to right now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Shulick wrote:
>>>>> Steven,
>>>>>
>>>>> As a fellow alum from Duquesne Univ. I thank you for your support.
>>>>> Over
>>>>> the
>>>>> last 30 or so years I was a church soloist and section leader for
>>>>> just
>>>>> about
>>>>> every major faith and I've seen many Herbs and some spices as
>>>>> well.(sorry
>>>>> couldn't resist)
>>>>>
>>>>> John Shulick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have any idea how much you sound like you're talking out your
>>>>>> ass?
>>>>>> Do you really want to put up your 1099 to show off what you've
>>>>>> donated
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> charity? You're such a bore. I'm going to guess that maybe you
>>>>>> tithe
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> full 10% to your fundamentalist church because they tell you to--out
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> false compassion. And the money goes to your church--not anything
>>>>>> real.
>>>>>> Or
>>>>>> at best a small percentage. I know you donate your time riding your
>>>>>> motorcycle around for stuff but is that actually giving? You're a
>>>>>> cheerleader. Great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the Native Americans you don't seem to have a grasp on
>>>>>> history.
>>>>>> Just
>>>>>> because the Injuns didn't have a concept of land ownership or fences
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> mean the white man didn't take it away from them. You're an idiot.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> Indians were living in the stone-age and were decimated by the white
>>>>>> man
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> of greed and arrogance. There was no need for that. To say that
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> simply met a stronger enemy completely usurps all that compassion
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> charity that you espouse. You're full of shit! I was born on the
>>>>>> Sissiton
>>>>>> reservation in South Dakota and you can kiss my ass!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "John,"
>>>>>>> (at least you are capable of starting a post properly by addressing
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> name. I assumed you were ignorant at first but now I see you're
>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>> rude.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Go screw yourself."
>>>>>>> (Sorry to old to bend that way anymore perhaps you could send a pic
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> you accomplish it yourself.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I've never offered anything like a ""final solution"".
>>>>>>> You're reference reveals you for what you are."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (you have no clue as to who or what I am)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as me "detesting" anyone, you again speak from total
>>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>>> I'll make a deal with you though, I'll make my tax returns for the
>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>> 10 years public on here to show how much I've given to charity if
>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>> do the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Do you recall the parable of the pharisee and the old woman who
>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> temple to make sacrifice?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You ready to put up? I doubt it. I suspect the size of your mouth
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> exceeded mainly by your ego, and your actions are far lacking
>>>>>>> compared
>>>>>>> to either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (In the mouth and ego department its no contest you win)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the government determines a need for social charity programs,
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> should do so by purchasing land they need. Simple. If it's too
>>>>>>> expensive, buy elsewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (that's what is happening in this instance so what's your problem)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to your notion about "stealing it from the original owners",
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> land are you talking about? You'll have to be a little more
>>>>>>> specific.
>>>>>>> Some of the Indian tribes didn't ascribe to the notion of "owning
>>>>>>> land".
>>>>>>> Others regularly took land from each other by armed conflict. So,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> "theft" was actually their normally accepted means of transfer,
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> simply were defeated by a stronger enemy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (like white men with guns and smallpox infested blankets? do the
>>>>>>> words
>>>>>>> "trail of tears" mean anything to you?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.nabble.com/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20414236.html
>>>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go
>>>>>>> to
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:45:50 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes and those who reason only
>>> ...
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID: <20422391.post at talk.nabble.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry John, let's just say that your word for it wouldn't be good
>>>> enough
>>>> for me, you do keep records, right? If we're just going to say what
>>>> the
>>>> percentage is, we can say.
>>>>
>>>> Didn't think you had the stones to back up your BS
>>>>
>>>> "Not interested in your social security. That's not giving, that's the
>>>> government taking."
>>>>
>>>> Not interested in ever seeing me collect social security would be more
>>>> accurate
>>>>
>>>> "As to your Wiki entry, thanks for confirming what I was trying to
>>>> say.
>>>> It's good to see you are actually capable of learning. 1830 was a tad
>>>> later than the founding father's period."
>>>>
>>>> Obviously you have trouble comprehending what you read.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Shulick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "I've got a heck of a deal for you. I'll buy your boat from you
>>>>> at the price that I determine is fair, and you can chose to accept it
>>>>> or
>>>>> .... oh wait, that would be your only choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> You do understand the implementation of eminent domain, right?"
>>>>>
>>>>> If you came for my boat I would sink it. If you came for my house I
>>>>> would
>>>>> burn it. If you came for my land I would render it unusable. You
>>>>> could
>>>>> have
>>>>> it after you have have hauled my dead body off it.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The only thing you can do to a free man is kill him." Robert A.
>>>>> Heinlein
>>>>>
>>>>> "You need to study history a little closer. The trail of tears
>>>>> happened
>>>>> LONG after the founding fathers did their thing, you can't blame that
>>>>> one on them."
>>>>>
>>>>> Excerpt from the Wikipedia
>>>>>
>>>>> The Trail of Tears was the forced relocation of Native Americans from
>>>>> their
>>>>> homelands to Indian Territory (present day Oklahoma) in the Western
>>>>> United
>>>>> States. The phrase originated from a description of the removal of
>>>>> the
>>>>> Choctaw Nation in 1831. Many Native Americans suffered from exposure,
>>>>> disease, and starvation while en route to their destinations, and
>>>>> many
>>>>> died,
>>>>> including, for example, 4,000 of the 15,000 relocated Cherokee.
>>>>> Thousands
>>>>> of
>>>>> enslaved and free African-Americans (as slaves accompanying their
>>>>> Native
>>>>> American slaveowners and as former runaway slaves that were assisted
>>>>> by,
>>>>> assimilated by, or married to members of the tribes) accompanied the
>>>>> removed
>>>>> nations on the Trail of Tears.
>>>>> In 1830, the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Muscogee (Creek), and
>>>>> Seminole
>>>>> (sometimes collectively referred to as the Five Civilized Tribes)
>>>>> were
>>>>> living as autonomous nations in what would be called the American
>>>>> Deep
>>>>> South. The process of cultural transformation (proposed by GEORGE
>>>>> WASHINGTON
>>>>> and HENERY KNOX) was gaining momentum, especially among the Cherokee
>>>>> and
>>>>> Choctaw. Indian removal was first proposed by THOMAS JEFFERSON.
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>> Jackson was the first U.S. President to implement removal with the
>>>>> passage
>>>>> of the Indian Removal Act of 1830. In 1831 the Choctaw were the first
>>>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>> removed, and they became the model for all other removals. After the
>>>>> Choctaw, the Seminole were removed in 1832, the Creek in 1834, then
>>>>> the
>>>>> Chickasaw in 1837, and finally the Cherokee in 1838.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I'll make my tax returns for the last
>>>>> 10 years public on here to show how much I've given to charity if
>>>>> you'll
>>>>> do the same."
>>>>>
>>>>> To many pages to post, HOWEVER I'm Prepared to release my annual
>>>>> social
>>>>> security statement showing what I've earned in my lifetime and will
>>>>> write
>>>>> in
>>>>> how many jobs I had to work to make it along with what I gave to
>>>>> charity.(Care to dance?)
>>>>>
>>>>> John Shulick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://www.nabble.com/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20422391.html
>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:46:42 -0500
>>> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes and those who reason only
>>> ...
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Message-ID: <3CD9CB18A9874C7D9ADEC1084154C3DB at ebsoffice>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>> reply-type=original
>>>
>>> Herb,
>>>
>>> What are you trying to say? This is an attempt to phonetically spell a
>>> foreign word, the name that they were known as, not just a name that
>>> was
>>> applied to a location.
>>>
>>> You guessed wrong.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Monday, November
>>> 10,
>>> 2008 9:50 AM
>>>> I'd say the indians didn't name the reservation, so my guess would be
>>>> that the English spelling works.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>
>>>>> How is it that an English language spelling of a non-English word can
>>>>> be
>>>>> said to be spelled incorrectly?
>>>>>
>>>>> A simple review of documents pertaining to the "Sissiton" through
>>>>> Google
>>>>> revealed the following treaty with the Sioux (original scan of
>>>>> printed
>>>>> text)
>>>>> regarding the "Sissiton Bands" in which both spellings are used on
>>>>> the
>>>>> same
>>>>> page of the document:
>>>>> http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Kappler/vol2/pgimages/sio0956.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Inconsistencies in translations of foreign words into common language
>>>>> seem
>>>>> to occur fairly often. When in China, just try to order Beijing
>>>>> Duck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Monday, November
>>>>> 10,
>>>>> 2008 8:36 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>> C'mon now, if a guy wants to get bent out of shape over being born
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> reservation and his treatment of the "Injuns" by "the white man",
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> can't spell the tribe's name, I say an exception is certainly in
>>>>>> order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>> At one time we had a list member named Steve who had a problem
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> spelling
>>>>>>> and grammar. At that time it was determined that spelling and
>>>>>>> grammatical
>>>>>>> errors were not fair game. It simply would have been to easy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/10/2008 1:27:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My my Slim, little overboard there, aren't you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nah, I don't REALLY want to put my 1099 up. I figured John would
>>>>>>> bow
>>>>>>> out. He did.
>>>>>>> You missed the percentage, by a considerable amount.
>>>>>>> I don't belong to a fundamentalist church.
>>>>>>> The church I belong to doesn't really tell me to do much of
>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>> I've been there a while, they know that telling me what to do
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> work well
>>>>>>> Probably about 1/2 of what we give to charity goes to our local
>>>>>>> church.
>>>>>>> There are several other entities that we give to as well.
>>>>>>> Cheerleader? Wow. Because I ride with a group of guys that pay
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> respects at funerals? And you call ME "a bore".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think if you'll reread my post, I never said anything similar to
>>>>>>> "the
>>>>>>> white man didn't take it away from them". As a matter of fact, I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> said just the opposite. They were defeated by a stronger enemy.
>>>>>>> Look
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> little closer to home for the idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't care to kiss your ass, not really into that, but feel free
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> invite what guys you can find that are. And, I don't care where
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> born, you're still an idiot. If you were born on the Sisseton
>>>>>>> reservation in SD, I'd figure you'd at least know the tribe was
>>>>>>> Sisseton
>>>>>>> not Sissiton.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, I never said anything about fences, but some tribes most
>>>>>>> definitely
>>>>>>> had concepts of "land ownership". They defended their hunting
>>>>>>> grounds
>>>>>>> against other tribes as fiercely as the white man defended their
>>>>>>> fences.
>>>>>>> Two cultures clashed, the more advanced of the two prevailed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, it's a moot point. I was talking about the founding fathers,
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> the "white man" in general. The founding fathers were not involved
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> breaking treaties, decimation of tribes, or the spreading of
>>>>>>> smallpox.
>>>>>>> South Dakota was the still the mostly unexplored frontier, and I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> think they (the founding fathers) had much exposure to the
>>>>>>> Sisseton
>>>>>>> tribe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And none of that has anything to do with John's stupid statement
>>>>>>> about
>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> "final solution".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have much in the way of charity or compassion for folks
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> long since gone. Not much I can do for them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you have any idea how much you sound like you're talking out
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> ass?
>>>>>>>> Do you really want to put up your 1099 to show off what you've
>>>>>>>> donated
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> charity? You're such a bore. I'm going to guess that maybe you
>>>>>>>> tithe
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> full 10% to your fundamentalist church because they tell you
>>>>>>>> to--out
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> false compassion. And the money goes to your church--not
>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>> real.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> at best a small percentage. I know you donate your time riding
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> motorcycle around for stuff but is that actually giving? You're
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> cheerleader. Great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for the Native Americans you don't seem to have a grasp on
>>>>>>>> history.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> because the Injuns didn't have a concept of land ownership or
>>>>>>>> fences
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mean the white man didn't take it away from them. You're an
>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> Indians were living in the stone-age and were decimated by the
>>>>>>>> white
>>>>>>>> man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of greed and arrogance. There was no need for that. To say that
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> simply met a stronger enemy completely usurps all that compassion
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> charity that you espouse. You're full of shit! I was born on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Sissiton
>>>>>>>> reservation in South Dakota and you can kiss my ass!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John Shulick
>>>>>>>> <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "John,"
>>>>>>>>> (at least you are capable of starting a post properly by
>>>>>>>>> addressing
>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> name. I assumed you were ignorant at first but now I see you're
>>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>>> rude.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Go screw yourself."
>>>>>>>>> (Sorry to old to bend that way anymore perhaps you could send a
>>>>>>>>> pic
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> you accomplish it yourself.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "I've never offered anything like a ""final solution"".
>>>>>>>>> You're reference reveals you for what you are."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (you have no clue as to who or what I am)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As far as me "detesting" anyone, you again speak from total
>>>>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>>>>> I'll make a deal with you though, I'll make my tax returns for
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>> 10 years public on here to show how much I've given to charity
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>> do the same.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (Do you recall the parable of the pharisee and the old woman who
>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> temple to make sacrifice?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You ready to put up? I doubt it. I suspect the size of your
>>>>>>>>> mouth
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> exceeded mainly by your ego, and your actions are far lacking
>>>>>>>>> compared
>>>>>>>>> to either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (In the mouth and ego department its no contest you win)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If the government determines a need for social charity programs,
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> should do so by purchasing land they need. Simple. If it's too
>>>>>>>>> expensive, buy elsewhere.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (that's what is happening in this instance so what's your
>>>>>>>>> problem)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As to your notion about "stealing it from the original owners",
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> land are you talking about? You'll have to be a little more
>>>>>>>>> specific.
>>>>>>>>> Some of the Indian tribes didn't ascribe to the notion of
>>>>>>>>> "owning
>>>>>>>>> land".
>>>>>>>>> Others regularly took land from each other by armed conflict.
>>>>>>>>> So,
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> "theft" was actually their normally accepted means of transfer,
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> simply were defeated by a stronger enemy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (like white men with guns and smallpox infested blankets? do the
>>>>>>>>> words
>>>>>>>>> "trail of tears" mean anything to you?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.c
>>> om/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20414236.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:46:51 -0600
>>> From: "ben" <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] my last word on the election
>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Message-ID: <000601c9434b$8e17c360$aa474a20$@com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> That was very close
>>> Haiku is a fine art form
>>> The first line needs work
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:53
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] my last word on the election
>>>
>>> We Americans have not changed
>>>
>>> we still rely on black folk
>>>
>>> to clean up our mess
>>>
>>>
>>> ss
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:56:17 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Just bent <j.bulfer at jbtek.com>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] question about electricity
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID: <20422568.post at talk.nabble.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy weather. Had a great day.
>>> When
>>> we
>>> got back to the dock, when you touch the boat, you would get shocked. I
>>> unhooked the battery & still got shocked. Was it static electricity
>>> from
>>> the
>>> storm?
>>> Jb
>>>
>>> Jb http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
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>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:13:26 -0500
>>> From: "Ron Singerman" <sail at tds.net>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] St Petersburg boat show. For stan
>>> To: "Rhodes list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Message-ID: <D1D6AAF915EB4FEE9B55C76F6D2FFE4C at computer>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> stan,
>>>
>>> Will you be represented at the St Pete show?
>>>
>>> Fair winds and following seas,
>>>
>>>>>ron<<
>>> S/V Serenity
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:15:03 EST
>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] question about electricity
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID: <cb9.3c17dc54.3649b807 at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>> JB,
>>>
>>> Yes, what you experienced is static electricity. It wasn't caused by
>>> the
>>> storms, but it is a natural phenomenon that has been discussed
>>> previously
>>> on
>>>
>>> this forum many years ago. Your boat is basically a "plastic" boat. You
>>> have
>>>
>>> plastic sails and metal thrown in for good measure. The sails are the
>>> most
>>> likely culprit and the fiberglass and the rest of the boat are the
>>> storage
>>> battery. The shock is even more noticeable when bare skin is involved,
>>> like
>>> a bare
>>> belly hanging over a rail. That will really get your attention, even
>>> when
>>> drunk.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/10/2008 10:57:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> j.bulfer at jbtek.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy weather. Had a great day.
>>> When
>>> we
>>> got back to the dock, when you touch the boat, you would get shocked.
>>> I
>>> unhooked the battery & still got shocked. Was it static electricity
>>> from
>>> the
>>> storm?
>>> Jb
>>>
>>> Jb http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
>>> --
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>>> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20422568.html
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>>>
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:20:07 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] question about shocking Rhodes 22's
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID: <20423031.post at talk.nabble.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>> Jay:
>>>
>>> You are not the first to experience this! Several years ago, Carol
>>> Nixon
>>> of
>>> Colorado had that very problem. She does not usually respond to this
>>> list
>>> although she is still shown in the digested listing.
>>>
>>> You might want to contact her to find out what she did. We referred to
>>> her
>>> as lady with shocking Rhodes 22.
>>>
>>> I posted pictures of her and her boat last spring.
>>>
>>> Ed K
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy weather. Had a great day.
>>>> When
>>>> we got back to the dock, when you touch the boat, you would get
>>>> shocked.
>>>> I
>>>> unhooked the battery & still got shocked. Was it static electricity
>>>> from
>>>> the storm?
>>>> Jb
>>>>
>>>> Jb http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20423031.html
>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:22:46 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailboats with water in desert...
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID: <20423082.post at talk.nabble.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>> Imagine, sailboats with water in the desert. Maybe that is where all
>>> Rummy's
>>> water is?
>>>
>>> Nice pictures.
>>>
>>> Ed K
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> quote author="Just bent">
>>> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy weather. Had a great day.
>>> When
>>> we
>>> got back to the dock, when you touch the boat, you would get shocked. I
>>> unhooked the battery & still got shocked. Was it static electricity
>>> from
>>> the
>>> storm?
>>> Jb
>>>
>>> Jb http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20423082.html
>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 12
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:25:00 EST
>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] question about shocking Rhodes 22's
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID: <d4e.3e7b8fe7.3649ba5c at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>> Jay,
>>> The last time we discussed this, I actually took a volt meter and
>>> measured
>>> 22 volts. I took the measurement from the offending rail and grounded
>>> the
>>> negative end to the outboard which was in the water. The meter went to
>>> 22/23
>>>
>>> volts and then almost instantly disappeared. Waiting a few minutes
>>> produced
>>> the
>>> same results. Since our boats are all 12 volt systems with 110 volt
>>> thrown
>>> in
>>> occasionally, it ruled out any source within the boat. The amperage was
>>> really
>>> low, so it was more of a nuisance shock than anything dangerous.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/10/2008 11:20:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> ekroposki at charter.net writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> Jay:
>>>
>>> You are not the first to experience this! Several years ago, Carol
>>> Nixon of
>>> Colorado had that very problem. She does not usually respond to this
>>> list
>>> although she is still shown in the digested listing.
>>>
>>> You might want to contact her to find out what she did. We referred
>>> to
>>> her
>>> as lady with shocking Rhodes 22.
>>>
>>> I posted pictures of her and her boat last spring.
>>>
>>> Ed K
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy weather. Had a great day.
>>>> When
>>>> we got back to the dock, when you touch the boat, you would get
>>>> shocked. I
>>>> unhooked the battery & still got shocked. Was it static electricity
>>>> from
>>>> the storm?
>>>> Jb
>>>>
>>>> Jb http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 13
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:25:33 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] When you are dealing with Democrats, think
>>> of this ...
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID: <20423136.post at talk.nabble.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad,
>>>
>>> When you are dealing with Democrats, think of this:
>>>
>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/11/09/2008-11-09_councilman_vows
>>> _to_quit_alcohol_after_pu.html
>>>
>>> Ed K
>>> --
>>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/When-you-are-d
>>> ealing-with-Democrats%2C-think-of-this-...-tp20423136p20423136.html
>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 14
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:30:42 EST
>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] When you are dealing with Democrats,
>>> think of this ...
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID: <c61.3c981885.3649bbb2 at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>> Ed,
>>> Must have been all republicans beneath him. Sure was a waste of a good
>>> drink
>>> though. :)
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/10/2008 11:26:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> ekroposki at charter.net writes:
>>>
>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/11/09/2008-11-09_councilman_vows
>>> _to_quit_alcohol_after_pu.html
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 15
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:46:21 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] When you are dealing with Democrats,
>>> think of this ...
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID: <20423560.post at talk.nabble.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed,
>>>
>>> Amusing. And you thought democrats don't believe in "Trickle Down
>>> Economics"
>>>
>>> John Shulick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/11/09/2008-11-09_councilman_vows
>>> _to_quit_alcohol_after_pu.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 16
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:56:20 EST
>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] (Humor) Banister of Life...
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>>> As You Slide Down the Banister of Life, Remember:
>>>
>>> 1. Jim Baker and Jimmy Swaggert have written an impressive new book.
>>> It's
>>> called ......... 'Ministers Do More Than Lay People.'
>>>
>>> 2. Transvestite: A guy who likes to eat, drink and be Mary.
>>>
>>> 3. The difference between the Pope and your boss, the Pope only
>>> expects
>>> you
>>> to kiss his ring.
>>>
>>> 4. My mind works like lightning, One brilliant flash and it is gone.
>>>
>>> 5. The only time the world beats a path to your door is if you're in
>>> the
>>> bathroom.
>>>
>>> 6. I hate sex in the movies. Tried it once. The seat folded up, the
>>> drink
>>> spilled and that ice, well, it really chilled the mood.
>>>
>>> 7. It used to be only death and taxes were inevitable Now, of course,
>>> there's shipping and handling, too.
>>>
>>> 8. A husband is someone who, after taking the trash out, gives the
>>> impression that he just cleaned the whole house.
>>>
>>> 9. My next house will have no kitchen - just vending machines and a
>>> large
>>> trash can.
>>>
>>> 10. A blonde said, 'I was worried that my mechanic might try to rip me
>>> off.
>>> I was relieved when he told me all I needed was turn signal fluid.'
>>>
>>> 11. My neighbor was bit by a stray rabid dog. I went to see how he was
>>> and
>>> found him writing frantically on a piece of paper.
>>> I told him rabies could be treated, and he didn't have to worry about
>>> a
>>> Will.
>>> He said, 'Will? What Will? I'm making a list of the people I want to
>>> bite.'
>>>
>>> 12. Definition of a teenager? God's punishment... for enjoying sex.
>>>
>>> 13. As you slide down the banister of life, may the splinters never
>>> point
>>> the wrong way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 17
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:57:03 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] question about shocking Rhodes 22's
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>>> Rummy,
>>>
>>> Was there a consensus reached about electrical grounding on a sailboat?
>>> I've
>>> given the matter some thought and could make an argument either way but
>>> would appreciate any input from more experienced people such as
>>> yourself.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> John Shulick
>>>
>>>
>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jay,
>>>> The last time we discussed this, I actually took a volt meter and
>>>> measured
>>>
>>>> 22 volts. I took the measurement from the offending rail and grounded
>>>> the
>>>> negative end to the outboard which was in the water. The meter went to
>>>> 22/23
>>>> volts and then almost instantly disappeared. Waiting a few minutes
>>>> produced the
>>>> same results. Since our boats are all 12 volt systems with 110 volt
>>>> thrown
>>>> in
>>>> occasionally, it ruled out any source within the boat. The amperage
>>>> was
>>>> really
>>>> low, so it was more of a nuisance shock than anything dangerous.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 11/10/2008 11:20:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> ekroposki at charter.net writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jay:
>>>>
>>>> You are not the first to experience this! Several years ago, Carol
>>>> Nixon
>>>> of
>>>> Colorado had that very problem. She does not usually respond to this
>>>> list
>>>> although she is still shown in the digested listing.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to contact her to find out what she did. We referred
>>>> to
>>>> her
>>>> as lady with shocking Rhodes 22.
>>>>
>>>> I posted pictures of her and her boat last spring.
>>>>
>>>> Ed K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy weather. Had a great day.
>>>>> When
>>>>> we got back to the dock, when you touch the boat, you would get
>>>>> shocked.
>>>>> I
>>>>> unhooked the battery & still got shocked. Was it static electricity
>>>>> from
>>>>> the storm?
>>>>> Jb
>>>>>
>>>>> Jb http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Message: 18
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:58:09 -0500
>>> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] question about electricity
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>>
>>> Jb,
>>>
>>> The first pic is just fabulous! For an northeast boater, the
>>> foothills/mountains show that it is not like any water that we sail in
>>> here
>>> on the LI Sound. Beautiful - and the water still feels wet and you can
>>> sail
>>> on the stuff? Here, boats are hauled and wrapped, the leaves have
>>> nearly
>>> all fallen (we did have one of the prettiest autumns in years) ... Now
>>> if
>>> only we could sail on snow!
>>>
>>> As far as static electricity accumulating on the hull goes, it is
>>> probably
>>> due to the lack of humidity. Just as it occurs on airplanes, the winds
>>> redistribute electrons, causing a charge to build up on the insulated
>>> (fiberglass) hull. The simplest way to remedy this is to provide a
>>> leakage
>>> path to the water. All conductive metal objects (motor housing, rails,
>>> mast, rigging, etc.) should be connected together via a small wire (no
>>> real
>>> current is involved) and terminated at a fixture that is exposed to the
>>> water. Care should be taken to make connection to the water away from
>>> gasoline vapors (not at the motor or mount) and using a "sacrificial
>>> anode",
>>> something that you would not miss, as it may be consumed by galvanic
>>> corrosion in the process of transferring the charge. See
>>> http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/23.htm
>>>
>>> The creation of static electricity in this manner has been a real
>>> problem
>>> in
>>> biking (bicycles) due to the use of nylon suits and composite helmets.
>>> Some
>>> people have had good results using antistatic preparations such as
>>> fabric
>>> softeners to solve the problem. While treating the hull with wax
>>> increases
>>> the static generation ability, applying fabric softener solutions may
>>> reduce
>>> the generated potential, although the combination may cause an unsafe,
>>> very
>>> slippery surface.
>>>
>>> You need to find a way to harness the potential energy that you have
>>> created
>>> rather than just discharge it. How about a static electricity motor -
>>> I
>>> think that John Galt knew something about this ...
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>> From: "Just bent" <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008
>>> 10:56
>>>
>>> AM
>>>>
>>>> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy weather. Had a great day.
>>>> When
>>>> we
>>>> got back to the dock, when you touch the boat, you would get shocked.
>>>> I
>>>> unhooked the battery & still got shocked. Was it static electricity
>>>> from
>>>> the
>>>> storm?
>>>> Jb
>>>>
>>>> Jb http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20422568.html
>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>
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