[Rhodes22-list] Foam for outside cushions
elle
watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Mon Nov 10 19:06:30 EST 2008
I had Bottomsiders and concur with Jerry...I did not care for the feel in warm weather. Closed cell foam w/the Pfifertx covering is much more comfortable.
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Mon, 11/10/08, cjlowe at sssnet.com <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:
> From: cjlowe at sssnet.com <cjlowe at sssnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Foam for outside cushions
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 6:44 PM
> We took a couple for a test sail 2 years ago,who had a
> Potter 19 that had
> bottom sider cushions.They commented on how much better
> they liked
> Stan's cushions,which were several years old.(came with
> the boat,when I
> bought it used)They said they didn't like the way bare
> skin sweated
> when sitting on the bottom siders.Never tried them
> myself,just something
> you might not think to consider.
> Jerry Lowe
>
>
>
> On 11/10/2008, "Michael D. Weisner"
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> >Carol,
> >
> >We are looking at replacing our cushions and really
> like the ones at:
> >http://www.bottomsiders.com/, although we are not sure
> that they cost less
> >than the current value of our R22. You might want to
> ask for a quote.
> >
> >In the make it yourself category, you may find what you
> want at one of these
> >sites:
> >http://www.foamorder.com/closedcell.html (look at the
> Flo-Tex)
> >http://www.closedcellfoams.com/minicel.html (look at
> the Minicell)
> >http://www.marinefoam.com/closedcellacousticalfoam.html?page_type=flotation-foams
> >(look at the Ultra Foam)
> >https://www.outdoortextiles.com/browse.php?CatID=11&SubCatID=66&page=1
> >(they also have Minicell)
> >
> >Some of these companies ship free (I know, you're
> paying for it somewhere.)
> >
> >Lots to look at and think about. Let us know if you
> find a reasonable
> >solution.
> >
> >Mike
> >s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> >From: <CarolN8 at aol.com> Sent: Monday, November
> 10, 2008 5:03 PM
> >>I need to replace the cockpit cushions and Stan
> said I needed to make sure
> >>I
> >> used closed cell foam. So does anyone know where
> to find closed cell foam
> >> in
> >> my local area? Is there a certain type of store
> that carries it?
> >>
> >> Carol
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 11/10/2008 10:01:03 A.M.
> Mountain Standard Time,
> >> rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org writes:
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> >> 1. Re: for Brad's eyes and those who reason
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> only ... (John Shulick)
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> >> (Michael D. Weisner)
> >> 6. Re: my last word on the election (ben)
> >> 7. question about electricity (Just bent)
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> >>
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> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:53:28 -0600
> >> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes
> and those who reason only
> >> ...
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> >>
> >> Thanks John, there are lots of us around.
> >>
> >> Then there are folks who want to deride people
> because of their beliefs,
> >> political views etc. You took a polite discussion
> about eminent domain
> >> and turned it an accusation against Brad and I
> about "final solutions".
> >>
> >> Maybe you and Slim SHOULD get together. You seem
> to have many
> >> similarities, and he's looking for someone to
> do weird stuff to his ass.
> >>
> >>
> >> John Shulick wrote:
> >>> Steven,
> >>>
> >>> As a fellow alum from Duquesne Univ. I thank
> you for your support. Over
> >>> the
> >>> last 30 or so years I was a church soloist
> and section leader for just
> >> about
> >>> every major faith and I've seen many Herbs
> and some spices as
> >>> well.(sorry
> >>> couldn't resist)
> >>>
> >>> John Shulick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Steven Alm wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Herb,
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you have any idea how much you sound
> like you're talking out your
> >>>> ass?
> >>>> Do you really want to put up your 1099 to
> show off what you've donated
> >>>> to
> >>>> charity? You're such a bore.
> I'm going to guess that maybe you
> >>>> tithe a
> >>>> full 10% to your fundamentalist church
> because they tell you to--out of
> >>>> false compassion. And the money goes to
> your church--not anything
> >>>> real.
> >>>> Or
> >>>> at best a small percentage. I know you
> donate your time riding your
> >>>> motorcycle around for stuff but is that
> actually giving? You're a
> >>>> cheerleader. Great.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for the Native Americans you don't
> seem to have a grasp on history.
> >>>> Just
> >>>> because the Injuns didn't have a
> concept of land ownership or fences
> >>>> doesn't
> >>>> mean the white man didn't take it away
> from them. You're an idiot.
> >>>> The
> >>>> Indians were living in the stone-age and
> were decimated by the white
> >>>> man
> >>>> out
> >>>> of greed and arrogance. There was no
> need for that. To say that they
> >>>> simply met a stronger enemy completely
> usurps all that compassion and
> >>>> charity that you espouse. You're full
> of shit! I was born on the
> >>>> Sissiton
> >>>> reservation in South Dakota and you can
> kiss my ass!
> >>>>
> >>>> Slim
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John
> Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> "John,"
> >>>>> (at least you are capable of starting
> a post properly by addressing me
> >>>>> by
> >>>>> name. I assumed you were ignorant at
> first but now I see you're simply
> >>>>> rude.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Go screw yourself."
> >>>>> (Sorry to old to bend that way
> anymore perhaps you could send a pic
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> how
> >>>>> you accomplish it yourself.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "I've never offered anything
> like a ""final solution"".
> >>>>> You're reference reveals you for
> what you are."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (you have no clue as to who or what I
> am)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As far as me "detesting"
> anyone, you again speak from total ignorance.
> >>>>> I'll make a deal with you though,
> I'll make my tax returns for the
> >>>>> last
> >>>>> 10 years public on here to show how
> much I've given to charity if
> >>>>> you'll
> >>>>> do the same.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (Do you recall the parable of the
> pharisee and the old woman who went
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> temple to make sacrifice?)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You ready to put up? I doubt it. I
> suspect the size of your mouth is
> >>>>> exceeded mainly by your ego, and your
> actions are far lacking compared
> >>>>> to either.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (In the mouth and ego department its
> no contest you win)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the government determines a need
> for social charity programs, they
> >>>>> should do so by purchasing land they
> need. Simple. If it's too
> >>>>> expensive, buy elsewhere.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (that's what is happening in this
> instance so what's your problem)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As to your notion about "stealing
> it from the original owners", which
> >>>>> land are you talking about?
> You'll have to be a little more specific.
> >>>>> Some of the Indian tribes didn't
> ascribe to the notion of "owning
> >>>>> land".
> >>>>> Others regularly took land from each
> other by armed conflict. So, the
> >>>>> "theft" was actually their
> normally accepted means of transfer, they
> >>>>> simply were defeated by a stronger
> enemy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (like white men with guns and smallpox
> infested blankets? do the words
> >>>>> "trail of tears" mean
> anything to you?)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> View this message in context:
> >>>>>
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20414236.html
> >>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list
> archive at Nabble.com.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> __________________________________________________
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> >>>>> to
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> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:57:28 -0600
> >> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes
> and those who reason only
> >> ...
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Message-ID:
> <49184BD8.3000201 at parsonsys.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
> format=flowed
> >>
> >> Sorry John, let's just say that your word for
> it wouldn't be good enough
> >> for me, you do keep records, right? If we're
> just going to say what the
> >> percentage is, we can say.
> >>
> >> Not interested in your social security.
> That's not giving, that's the
> >> government taking.
> >>
> >> As to your Wiki entry, thanks for confirming what
> I was trying to say.
> >> It's good to see you are actually capable of
> learning. 1830 was a tad
> >> later than the founding father's period.
> >>
> >>
> >> John Shulick wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "I've got a heck of a deal for you.
> I'll buy your boat from you
> >>> at the price that I determine is fair, and
> you can chose to accept it or
> >>> .... oh wait, that would be your only choice.
> >>>
> >>> You do understand the implementation of
> eminent domain, right?"
> >>>
> >>> If you came for my boat I would sink it. If
> you came for my house I
> >>> would
> >>> burn it. If you came for my land I would
> render it unusable. You could
> >>> have
> >>> it after you have have hauled my dead body
> off it.
> >>>
> >>> "The only thing you can do to a free man
> is kill him." Robert A.
> >>> Heinlein
> >>>
> >>> "You need to study history a little
> closer. The trail of tears happened
> >>> LONG after the founding fathers did their
> thing, you can't blame that
> >>> one on them."
> >>>
> >>> Excerpt from the Wikipedia
> >>>
> >>> The Trail of Tears was the forced relocation
> of Native Americans from
> >> their
> >>> homelands to Indian Territory (present day
> Oklahoma) in the Western
> >>> United
> >>> States. The phrase originated from a
> description of the removal of the
> >>> Choctaw Nation in 1831. Many Native Americans
> suffered from exposure,
> >>> disease, and starvation while en route to
> their destinations, and many
> >> died,
> >>> including, for example, 4,000 of the 15,000
> relocated Cherokee.
> >>> Thousands
> >> of
> >>> enslaved and free African-Americans (as
> slaves accompanying their Native
> >>> American slaveowners and as former runaway
> slaves that were assisted by,
> >>> assimilated by, or married to members of the
> tribes) accompanied the
> >> removed
> >>> nations on the Trail of Tears.
> >>> In 1830, the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw,
> Muscogee (Creek), and
> >>> Seminole
> >>> (sometimes collectively referred to as the
> Five Civilized Tribes) were
> >>> living as autonomous nations in what would be
> called the American Deep
> >>> South. The process of cultural transformation
> (proposed by GEORGE
> >> WASHINGTON
> >>> and HENERY KNOX) was gaining momentum,
> especially among the Cherokee
> >>> and
> >>> Choctaw. Indian removal was first proposed by
> THOMAS JEFFERSON. Andrew
> >>> Jackson was the first U.S. President to
> implement removal with the
> >>> passage
> >>> of the Indian Removal Act of 1830. In 1831 the
> Choctaw were the first to
> >>> be
> >>> removed, and they became the model for all
> other removals. After the
> >>> Choctaw, the Seminole were removed in 1832,
> the Creek in 1834, then the
> >>> Chickasaw in 1837, and finally the Cherokee in
> 1838.
> >>>
> >>> "I'll make my tax returns for the
> last
> >>> 10 years public on here to show how much
> I've given to charity if
> >>> you'll
> >>> do the same."
> >>>
> >>> To many pages to post, HOWEVER I'm
> Prepared to release my annual social
> >>> security statement showing what I've
> earned in my lifetime and will
> >>> write
> >> in
> >>> how many jobs I had to work to make it along
> with what I gave to
> >>> charity.(Care to dance?)
> >>>
> >>> John Shulick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:38:07 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes
> and those who reason only
> >> ...
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID: <20422255.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> hparsons wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Thanks John, there are lots of us
> around."
> >>>
> >>> That's why this country is in such
> trouble
> >>>
> >>> "Then there are folks who want to deride
> people because of their
> >>> beliefs,
> >>> political views etc. You took a polite
> discussion about eminent domain
> >>> and turned it an accusation against Brad and
> I about "final solutions"."
> >>>
> >>> Oh please listen to the pot calling the
> kettle black. If you don't want
> >>> comment about your conversations then
> don't post them in a public forum
> >>> such as this. Use the back channel or private
> e-mails to amuse
> >>> yourselves
> >>> with your conservative nonsense, please leave
> the rest of us out of it.
> >>>
> >>> "Maybe you and Slim SHOULD get together.
> You seem to have many
> >>> similarities, and he's looking for someone
> to do weird stuff to his
> >>> ass."
> >>>
> >>> I would consider performing with Steven if he
> were so inclined and the
> >>> time presented itself. the only ass I'm
> concerned with is the one I'm
> >>> responding to right now.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> John Shulick wrote:
> >>>> Steven,
> >>>>
> >>>> As a fellow alum from Duquesne Univ. I
> thank you for your support. Over
> >>>> the
> >>>> last 30 or so years I was a church soloist
> and section leader for just
> >>>> about
> >>>> every major faith and I've seen many
> Herbs and some spices as
> >>>> well.(sorry
> >>>> couldn't resist)
> >>>>
> >>>> John Shulick
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Steven Alm wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Herb,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do you have any idea how much you
> sound like you're talking out your
> >>>>> ass?
> >>>>> Do you really want to put up your
> 1099 to show off what you've
> >>>>> donated
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> charity? You're such a bore.
> I'm going to guess that maybe you
> >>>>> tithe
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> full 10% to your fundamentalist church
> because they tell you to--out
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> false compassion. And the money goes
> to your church--not anything
> >>>>> real.
> >>>>> Or
> >>>>> at best a small percentage. I know
> you donate your time riding your
> >>>>> motorcycle around for stuff but is
> that actually giving? You're a
> >>>>> cheerleader. Great.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for the Native Americans you
> don't seem to have a grasp on history.
> >>>>> Just
> >>>>> because the Injuns didn't have a
> concept of land ownership or fences
> >>>>> doesn't
> >>>>> mean the white man didn't take it
> away from them. You're an idiot.
> >>>>> The
> >>>>> Indians were living in the stone-age
> and were decimated by the white
> >>>>> man
> >>>>> out
> >>>>> of greed and arrogance. There was no
> need for that. To say that
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> simply met a stronger enemy completely
> usurps all that compassion and
> >>>>> charity that you espouse. You're
> full of shit! I was born on the
> >>>>> Sissiton
> >>>>> reservation in South Dakota and you
> can kiss my ass!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Slim
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John
> Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "John,"
> >>>>>> (at least you are capable of
> starting a post properly by addressing
> >>>>>> me
> >>>>>> by
> >>>>>> name. I assumed you were ignorant
> at first but now I see you're
> >>>>>> simply
> >>>>>> rude.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Go screw yourself."
> >>>>>> (Sorry to old to bend that way
> anymore perhaps you could send a pic
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> how
> >>>>>> you accomplish it yourself.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "I've never offered
> anything like a ""final solution"".
> >>>>>> You're reference reveals you
> for what you are."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (you have no clue as to who or
> what I am)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As far as me "detesting"
> anyone, you again speak from total
> >>>>>> ignorance.
> >>>>>> I'll make a deal with you
> though, I'll make my tax returns for the
> >>>>>> last
> >>>>>> 10 years public on here to show
> how much I've given to charity if
> >>>>>> you'll
> >>>>>> do the same.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (Do you recall the parable of the
> pharisee and the old woman who went
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> temple to make sacrifice?)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You ready to put up? I doubt it.
> I suspect the size of your mouth is
> >>>>>> exceeded mainly by your ego, and
> your actions are far lacking
> >>>>>> compared
> >>>>>> to either.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (In the mouth and ego department
> its no contest you win)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If the government determines a
> need for social charity programs,
> >>>>>> they
> >>>>>> should do so by purchasing land
> they need. Simple. If it's too
> >>>>>> expensive, buy elsewhere.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (that's what is happening in
> this instance so what's your problem)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As to your notion about
> "stealing it from the original owners", which
> >>>>>> land are you talking about?
> You'll have to be a little more specific.
> >>>>>> Some of the Indian tribes
> didn't ascribe to the notion of "owning
> >>>>>> land".
> >>>>>> Others regularly took land from
> each other by armed conflict. So, the
> >>>>>> "theft" was actually
> their normally accepted means of transfer, they
> >>>>>> simply were defeated by a stronger
> enemy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (like white men with guns and
> smallpox infested blankets? do the
> >>>>>> words
> >>>>>> "trail of tears" mean
> anything to you?)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> View this message in context:
> >>>>>>
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20414236.html
> >>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing
> list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for
> help with using the mailing list go
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help
> with using the mailing list go
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with
> using the mailing list go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20422255.html
> >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:45:50 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes
> and those who reason only
> >> ...
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID: <20422391.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> hparsons wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sorry John, let's just say that your word
> for it wouldn't be good enough
> >>> for me, you do keep records, right? If
> we're just going to say what the
> >>> percentage is, we can say.
> >>>
> >>> Didn't think you had the stones to back
> up your BS
> >>>
> >>> "Not interested in your social security.
> That's not giving, that's the
> >>> government taking."
> >>>
> >>> Not interested in ever seeing me collect
> social security would be more
> >>> accurate
> >>>
> >>> "As to your Wiki entry, thanks for
> confirming what I was trying to say.
> >>> It's good to see you are actually capable
> of learning. 1830 was a tad
> >>> later than the founding father's
> period."
> >>>
> >>> Obviously you have trouble comprehending what
> you read.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> John Shulick wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "I've got a heck of a deal for
> you. I'll buy your boat from you
> >>>> at the price that I determine is fair, and
> you can chose to accept it
> >>>> or
> >>>> .... oh wait, that would be your only
> choice.
> >>>>
> >>>> You do understand the implementation of
> eminent domain, right?"
> >>>>
> >>>> If you came for my boat I would sink it.
> If you came for my house I
> >>>> would
> >>>> burn it. If you came for my land I would
> render it unusable. You could
> >>>> have
> >>>> it after you have have hauled my dead body
> off it.
> >>>>
> >>>> "The only thing you can do to a free
> man is kill him." Robert A.
> >>>> Heinlein
> >>>>
> >>>> "You need to study history a little
> closer. The trail of tears happened
> >>>> LONG after the founding fathers did their
> thing, you can't blame that
> >>>> one on them."
> >>>>
> >>>> Excerpt from the Wikipedia
> >>>>
> >>>> The Trail of Tears was the forced
> relocation of Native Americans from
> >>>> their
> >>>> homelands to Indian Territory (present
> day Oklahoma) in the Western
> >>>> United
> >>>> States. The phrase originated from a
> description of the removal of the
> >>>> Choctaw Nation in 1831. Many Native
> Americans suffered from exposure,
> >>>> disease, and starvation while en route to
> their destinations, and many
> >>>> died,
> >>>> including, for example, 4,000 of the
> 15,000 relocated Cherokee.
> >>>> Thousands
> >>>> of
> >>>> enslaved and free African-Americans (as
> slaves accompanying their
> >>>> Native
> >>>> American slaveowners and as former runaway
> slaves that were assisted
> >>>> by,
> >>>> assimilated by, or married to members of
> the tribes) accompanied the
> >>>> removed
> >>>> nations on the Trail of Tears.
> >>>> In 1830, the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw,
> Muscogee (Creek), and
> >>>> Seminole
> >>>> (sometimes collectively referred to as the
> Five Civilized Tribes) were
> >>>> living as autonomous nations in what
> would be called the American Deep
> >>>> South. The process of cultural
> transformation (proposed by GEORGE
> >>>> WASHINGTON
> >>>> and HENERY KNOX) was gaining momentum,
> especially among the Cherokee
> >>>> and
> >>>> Choctaw. Indian removal was first proposed
> by THOMAS JEFFERSON. Andrew
> >>>> Jackson was the first U.S. President to
> implement removal with the
> >>>> passage
> >>>> of the Indian Removal Act of 1830. In
> 1831 the Choctaw were the first
> >>>> to
> >>>> be
> >>>> removed, and they became the model for all
> other removals. After the
> >>>> Choctaw, the Seminole were removed in
> 1832, the Creek in 1834, then the
> >>>> Chickasaw in 1837, and finally the
> Cherokee in 1838.
> >>>>
> >>>> "I'll make my tax returns for
> the last
> >>>> 10 years public on here to show how much
> I've given to charity if
> >>>> you'll
> >>>> do the same."
> >>>>
> >>>> To many pages to post, HOWEVER I'm
> Prepared to release my annual
> >>>> social
> >>>> security statement showing what I've
> earned in my lifetime and will
> >>>> write
> >>>> in
> >>>> how many jobs I had to work to make it
> along with what I gave to
> >>>> charity.(Care to dance?)
> >>>>
> >>>> John Shulick
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
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> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 5
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:46:42 -0500
> >> From: "Michael D. Weisner"
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes
> and those who reason only
> >> ...
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Message-ID:
> <3CD9CB18A9874C7D9ADEC1084154C3DB at ebsoffice>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> >> reply-type=original
> >>
> >> Herb,
> >>
> >> What are you trying to say? This is an attempt
> to phonetically spell a
> >> foreign word, the name that they were known as,
> not just a name that was
> >> applied to a location.
> >>
> >> You guessed wrong.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >> From: "Herb Parsons"
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Monday, November 10,
> >> 2008 9:50 AM
> >>> I'd say the indians didn't name the
> reservation, so my guess would be
> >>> that the English spelling works.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> >>>> Herb,
> >>>>
> >>>> How is it that an English language
> spelling of a non-English word can
> >>>> be
> >>>> said to be spelled incorrectly?
> >>>>
> >>>> A simple review of documents pertaining
> to the "Sissiton" through
> >>>> Google
> >>>> revealed the following treaty with the
> Sioux (original scan of printed
> >>>> text)
> >>>> regarding the "Sissiton Bands"
> in which both spellings are used on the
> >>>> same
> >>>> page of the document:
> >>>>
> http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Kappler/vol2/pgimages/sio0956.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>> Inconsistencies in translations of
> foreign words into common language
> >>>> seem
> >>>> to occur fairly often. When in China,
> just try to order Beijing Duck.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "Herb Parsons"
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Monday, November
> >>>> 10,
> >>>> 2008 8:36 AM
> >>>>
> >>>>> C'mon now, if a guy wants to get
> bent out of shape over being born on
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> reservation and his treatment of the
> "Injuns" by "the white man", then
> >>>>> can't spell the tribe's name,
> I say an exception is certainly in
> >>>>> order.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Herb,
> >>>>>> At one time we had a list member
> named Steve who had a problem with
> >>>>>> spelling
> >>>>>> and grammar. At that time it was
> determined that spelling and
> >>>>>> grammatical
> >>>>>> errors were not fair game. It
> simply would have been to easy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rummy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In a message dated 11/10/2008
> 1:27:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>>>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My my Slim, little overboard
> there, aren't you?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nah, I don't REALLY want to
> put my 1099 up. I figured John would bow
> >>>>>> out. He did.
> >>>>>> You missed the percentage, by a
> considerable amount.
> >>>>>> I don't belong to a
> fundamentalist church.
> >>>>>> The church I belong to doesn't
> really tell me to do much of
> >>>>>> anything.
> >>>>>> I've been there a while, they
> know that telling me what to do
> >>>>>> doesn't
> >>>>>> work well
> >>>>>> Probably about 1/2 of what we give
> to charity goes to our local
> >>>>>> church.
> >>>>>> There are several other entities
> that we give to as well.
> >>>>>> Cheerleader? Wow. Because I ride
> with a group of guys that pay their
> >>>>>> respects at funerals? And you call
> ME "a bore".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think if you'll reread my
> post, I never said anything similar to
> >>>>>> "the
> >>>>>> white man didn't take it away
> from them". As a matter of fact, I
> >>>>>> think
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> said just the opposite. They
> were defeated by a stronger enemy. Look
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> little closer to home for the
> idiot.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't care to kiss your ass,
> not really into that, but feel free
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> invite what guys you can find
> that are. And, I don't care where you
> >>>>>> were
> >>>>>> born, you're still an idiot.
> If you were born on the Sisseton
> >>>>>> reservation in SD, I'd figure
> you'd at least know the tribe was
> >>>>>> Sisseton
> >>>>>> not Sissiton.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And, I never said anything about
> fences, but some tribes most
> >>>>>> definitely
> >>>>>> had concepts of "land
> ownership". They defended their hunting
> >>>>>> grounds
> >>>>>> against other tribes as fiercely
> as the white man defended their
> >>>>>> fences.
> >>>>>> Two cultures clashed, the more
> advanced of the two prevailed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But, it's a moot point. I was
> talking about the founding fathers,
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>> the "white man" in
> general. The founding fathers were not involved
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> breaking treaties, decimation of
> tribes, or the spreading of
> >>>>>> smallpox.
> >>>>>> South Dakota was the still the
> mostly unexplored frontier, and I
> >>>>>> don't
> >>>>>> think they (the founding fathers)
> had much exposure to the Sisseton
> >>>>>> tribe.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And none of that has anything to
> do with John's stupid statement
> >>>>>> about
> >>
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> "final solution".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't have much in the way
> of charity or compassion for folks that
> >>>>>> are
> >>>>>> long since gone. Not much I can
> do for them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Herb,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do you have any idea how
> much you sound like you're talking out
> >>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>> ass?
> >>>>>>> Do you really want to put up
> your 1099 to show off what you've
> >>>>>>> donated
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> charity? You're such a
> bore. I'm going to guess that maybe you
> >>>>>>> tithe
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> full 10% to your
> fundamentalist church because they tell you
> >>>>>>> to--out
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> false compassion. And the
> money goes to your church--not anything
> >>>>>>> real.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> at best a small percentage.
> I know you donate your time riding
> >>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>> motorcycle around for stuff
> but is that actually giving? You're a
> >>>>>>> cheerleader. Great.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As for the Native Americans
> you don't seem to have a grasp on
> >>>>>>> history.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> because the Injuns
> didn't have a concept of land ownership or
> >>>>>>> fences
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> doesn't
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> mean the white man
> didn't take it away from them. You're an
> >>>>>>> idiot.
> >>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>> Indians were living in the
> stone-age and were decimated by the
> >>>>>>> white
> >>>>>>> man
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> out
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> of greed and arrogance.
> There was no need for that. To say that
> >>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>> simply met a stronger enemy
> completely usurps all that compassion
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> charity that you espouse.
> You're full of shit! I was born on the
> >>>>>>> Sissiton
> >>>>>>> reservation in South Dakota
> and you can kiss my ass!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Slim
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36
> PM, John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "John,"
> >>>>>>>> (at least you are capable
> of starting a post properly by
> >>>>>>>> addressing
> >>>>>>>> me
> >>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>> name. I assumed you were
> ignorant at first but now I see you're
> >>>>>>>> simply
> >>>>>>>> rude.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Go screw
> yourself."
> >>>>>>>> (Sorry to old to bend that
> way anymore perhaps you could send a
> >>>>>>>> pic
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> how
> >>>>>>>> you accomplish it
> yourself.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "I've never
> offered anything like a ""final
> solution"".
> >>>>>>>> You're reference
> reveals you for what you are."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (you have no clue as to
> who or what I am)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As far as me
> "detesting" anyone, you again speak from total
> >>>>>>>> ignorance.
> >>>>>>>> I'll make a deal with
> you though, I'll make my tax returns for
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> last
> >>>>>>>> 10 years public on here
> to show how much I've given to charity if
> >>>>>>>> you'll
> >>>>>>>> do the same.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (Do you recall the
> parable of the pharisee and the old woman who
> >>>>>>>> went
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> temple to make
> sacrifice?)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You ready to put up? I
> doubt it. I suspect the size of your mouth
> >>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> exceeded mainly by your
> ego, and your actions are far lacking
> >>>>>>>> compared
> >>>>>>>> to either.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (In the mouth and ego
> department its no contest you win)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If the government
> determines a need for social charity programs,
> >>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>> should do so by
> purchasing land they need. Simple. If it's too
> >>>>>>>> expensive, buy
> elsewhere.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (that's what is
> happening in this instance so what's your
> >>>>>>>> problem)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As to your notion about
> "stealing it from the original owners",
> >>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>> land are you talking
> about? You'll have to be a little more
> >>>>>>>> specific.
> >>>>>>>> Some of the Indian
> tribes didn't ascribe to the notion of "owning
> >>>>>>>> land".
> >>>>>>>> Others regularly took
> land from each other by armed conflict. So,
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> "theft" was
> actually their normally accepted means of transfer,
> >>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>> simply were defeated by a
> stronger enemy.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (like white men with guns
> and smallpox infested blankets? do the
> >>>>>>>> words
> >>>>>>>> "trail of
> tears" mean anything to you?)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
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> context:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.nabble.c
> >>
> om/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20414236.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 6
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:46:51 -0600
> >> From: "ben"
> <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] my last word on the
> election
> >> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Message-ID:
> <000601c9434b$8e17c360$aa474a20$@com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> That was very close
> >> Haiku is a fine art form
> >> The first line needs work
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of stan
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:53
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] my last word on the
> election
> >>
> >> We Americans have not changed
> >>
> >> we still rely on black folk
> >>
> >> to clean up our mess
> >>
> >>
> >> ss
> >> __________________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 7
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:56:17 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: Just bent <j.bulfer at jbtek.com>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] question about
> electricity
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID: <20422568.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy weather.
> Had a great day. When
> >> we
> >> got back to the dock, when you touch the boat, you
> would get shocked. I
> >> unhooked the battery & still got shocked. Was
> it static electricity from
> >> the
> >> storm?
> >> Jb
> >>
> >> Jb
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20422568.html
> >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 8
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:13:26 -0500
> >> From: "Ron Singerman"
> <sail at tds.net>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] St Petersburg boat show.
> For stan
> >> To: "Rhodes list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Message-ID:
> <D1D6AAF915EB4FEE9B55C76F6D2FFE4C at computer>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>
> >> stan,
> >>
> >> Will you be represented at the St Pete show?
> >>
> >> Fair winds and following seas,
> >>
> >>>>ron<<
> >> S/V Serenity
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 9
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:15:03 EST
> >> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] question about
> electricity
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID: <cb9.3c17dc54.3649b807 at aol.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="US-ASCII"
> >>
> >> JB,
> >>
> >> Yes, what you experienced is static electricity.
> It wasn't caused by the
> >> storms, but it is a natural phenomenon that has
> been discussed previously
> >> on
> >>
> >> this forum many years ago. Your boat is basically
> a "plastic" boat. You
> >> have
> >>
> >> plastic sails and metal thrown in for good
> measure. The sails are the
> >> most
> >> likely culprit and the fiberglass and the rest of
> the boat are the
> >> storage
> >> battery. The shock is even more noticeable when
> bare skin is involved,
> >> like
> >> a bare
> >> belly hanging over a rail. That will really get
> your attention, even when
> >> drunk.
> >>
> >> Rummy
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 11/10/2008 10:57:29 A.M.
> Eastern Standard Time,
> >> j.bulfer at jbtek.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy
> weather. Had a great day. When
> >> we
> >> got back to the dock, when you touch the boat,
> you would get shocked. I
> >> unhooked the battery & still got shocked. Was
> it static electricity from
> >> the
> >> storm?
> >> Jb
> >>
> >> Jb
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20422568.html
> >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
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> >> other
> >> Holiday needs. Search Now.
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 10
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:20:07 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] question about shocking
> Rhodes 22's
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID: <20423031.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >> Jay:
> >>
> >> You are not the first to experience this!
> Several years ago, Carol Nixon
> >> of
> >> Colorado had that very problem. She does not
> usually respond to this
> >> list
> >> although she is still shown in the digested
> listing.
> >>
> >> You might want to contact her to find out what
> she did. We referred to
> >> her
> >> as lady with shocking Rhodes 22.
> >>
> >> I posted pictures of her and her boat last
> spring.
> >>
> >> Ed K
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just bent wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy
> weather. Had a great day. When
> >>> we got back to the dock, when you touch the
> boat, you would get shocked.
> >>> I
> >>> unhooked the battery & still got shocked.
> Was it static electricity from
> >>> the storm?
> >>> Jb
> >>>
> >>> Jb
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20423031.html
> >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 11
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:22:46 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailboats with water in
> desert...
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID: <20423082.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >> Imagine, sailboats with water in the desert.
> Maybe that is where all
> >> Rummy's
> >> water is?
> >>
> >> Nice pictures.
> >>
> >> Ed K
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> quote author="Just bent">
> >> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy
> weather. Had a great day. When
> >> we
> >> got back to the dock, when you touch the boat,
> you would get shocked. I
> >> unhooked the battery & still got shocked. Was
> it static electricity from
> >> the
> >> storm?
> >> Jb
> >>
> >> Jb
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20423082.html
> >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 12
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:25:00 EST
> >> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] question about
> shocking Rhodes 22's
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID: <d4e.3e7b8fe7.3649ba5c at aol.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="US-ASCII"
> >>
> >> Jay,
> >> The last time we discussed this, I actually took
> a volt meter and
> >> measured
> >> 22 volts. I took the measurement from the
> offending rail and grounded the
> >> negative end to the outboard which was in the
> water. The meter went to
> >> 22/23
> >>
> >> volts and then almost instantly disappeared.
> Waiting a few minutes
> >> produced
> >> the
> >> same results. Since our boats are all 12 volt
> systems with 110 volt thrown
> >> in
> >> occasionally, it ruled out any source within the
> boat. The amperage was
> >> really
> >> low, so it was more of a nuisance shock than
> anything dangerous.
> >>
> >> Rummy
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 11/10/2008 11:20:30 A.M.
> Eastern Standard Time,
> >> ekroposki at charter.net writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> Jay:
> >>
> >> You are not the first to experience this!
> Several years ago, Carol
> >> Nixon of
> >> Colorado had that very problem. She does not
> usually respond to this
> >> list
> >> although she is still shown in the digested
> listing.
> >>
> >> You might want to contact her to find out what
> she did. We referred to
> >> her
> >> as lady with shocking Rhodes 22.
> >>
> >> I posted pictures of her and her boat last
> spring.
> >>
> >> Ed K
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just bent wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy
> weather. Had a great day.
> >>> When
> >>> we got back to the dock, when you touch the
> boat, you would get
> >>> shocked. I
> >>> unhooked the battery & still got
> shocked. Was it static electricity
> >>> from
> >>> the storm?
> >>> Jb
> >>>
> >>> Jb
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
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> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 13
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:25:33 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] When you are dealing
> with Democrats, think
> >> of this ...
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID: <20423136.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >> Brad,
> >>
> >> When you are dealing with Democrats, think of
> this:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/11/09/2008-11-09_councilman_vows
> >> _to_quit_alcohol_after_pu.html
> >>
> >> Ed K
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> http://www.nabble.com/When-you-are-d
> >>
> ealing-with-Democrats%2C-think-of-this-...-tp20423136p20423136.html
> >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 14
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:30:42 EST
> >> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] When you are dealing
> with Democrats,
> >> think of this ...
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID: <c61.3c981885.3649bbb2 at aol.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="US-ASCII"
> >>
> >> Ed,
> >> Must have been all republicans beneath him. Sure
> was a waste of a good
> >> drink
> >> though. :)
> >>
> >> Rummy
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 11/10/2008 11:26:28 A.M.
> Eastern Standard Time,
> >> ekroposki at charter.net writes:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/11/09/2008-11-09_councilman_vows
> >> _to_quit_alcohol_after_pu.html
> >>
> >>
> >> **************AOL Search: Your one stop for
> directions, recipes and all
> >> other
> >> Holiday needs. Search Now.
> >>
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http:
> >>
> //searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from
> >> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 15
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:46:21 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] When you are dealing
> with Democrats,
> >> think of this ...
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID: <20423560.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >> Ed,
> >>
> >> Amusing. And you thought democrats don't
> believe in "Trickle Down
> >> Economics"
> >>
> >> John Shulick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/11/09/2008-11-09_councilman_vows
> >> _to_quit_alcohol_after_pu.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/When-you-are-dealing-with-Democrats%2C-think-of-this-...-tp20423136p20423560.html
> >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 16
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:56:20 EST
> >> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] (Humor) Banister of
> Life...
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID: <ca8.39793310.3649c1b4 at aol.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="US-ASCII"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As You Slide Down the Banister of Life,
> Remember:
> >>
> >> 1. Jim Baker and Jimmy Swaggert have written an
> impressive new book.
> >> It's
> >> called ......... 'Ministers Do More Than Lay
> People.'
> >>
> >> 2. Transvestite: A guy who likes to eat, drink
> and be Mary.
> >>
> >> 3. The difference between the Pope and your boss,
> the Pope only expects
> >> you
> >> to kiss his ring.
> >>
> >> 4. My mind works like lightning, One brilliant
> flash and it is gone.
> >>
> >> 5. The only time the world beats a path to your
> door is if you're in the
> >> bathroom.
> >>
> >> 6. I hate sex in the movies. Tried it once. The
> seat folded up, the
> >> drink
> >> spilled and that ice, well, it really chilled
> the mood.
> >>
> >> 7. It used to be only death and taxes were
> inevitable Now, of course,
> >> there's shipping and handling, too.
> >>
> >> 8. A husband is someone who, after taking the
> trash out, gives the
> >> impression that he just cleaned the whole house.
> >>
> >> 9. My next house will have no kitchen - just
> vending machines and a
> >> large
> >> trash can.
> >>
> >> 10. A blonde said, 'I was worried that my
> mechanic might try to rip me
> >> off.
> >> I was relieved when he told me all I needed was
> turn signal fluid.'
> >>
> >> 11. My neighbor was bit by a stray rabid dog. I
> went to see how he was
> >> and
> >> found him writing frantically on a piece of
> paper.
> >> I told him rabies could be treated, and he
> didn't have to worry about a
> >> Will.
> >> He said, 'Will? What Will? I'm making a
> list of the people I want to
> >> bite.'
> >>
> >> 12. Definition of a teenager? God's
> punishment... for enjoying sex.
> >>
> >> 13. As you slide down the banister of life, may
> the splinters never
> >> point
> >> the wrong way.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> **************AOL Search: Your one stop for
> directions, recipes and all
> >> other
> >> Holiday needs. Search Now.
> >>
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http:
> >>
> //searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from
> >> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 17
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:57:03 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] question about
> shocking Rhodes 22's
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID: <20423781.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >> Rummy,
> >>
> >> Was there a consensus reached about electrical
> grounding on a sailboat?
> >> I've
> >> given the matter some thought and could make an
> argument either way but
> >> would appreciate any input from more experienced
> people such as yourself.
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >> John Shulick
> >>
> >>
> >> R22RumRunner wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jay,
> >>> The last time we discussed this, I actually
> took a volt meter and
> >>> measured
> >>
> >>> 22 volts. I took the measurement from the
> offending rail and grounded
> >>> the
> >>> negative end to the outboard which was in the
> water. The meter went to
> >>> 22/23
> >>> volts and then almost instantly disappeared.
> Waiting a few minutes
> >>> produced the
> >>> same results. Since our boats are all 12 volt
> systems with 110 volt
> >>> thrown
> >>> in
> >>> occasionally, it ruled out any source within
> the boat. The amperage was
> >>> really
> >>> low, so it was more of a nuisance shock than
> anything dangerous.
> >>>
> >>> Rummy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 11/10/2008 11:20:30 A.M.
> Eastern Standard Time,
> >>> ekroposki at charter.net writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jay:
> >>>
> >>> You are not the first to experience this!
> Several years ago, Carol
> >>> Nixon
> >>> of
> >>> Colorado had that very problem. She does
> not usually respond to this
> >>> list
> >>> although she is still shown in the digested
> listing.
> >>>
> >>> You might want to contact her to find out what
> she did. We referred to
> >>> her
> >>> as lady with shocking Rhodes 22.
> >>>
> >>> I posted pictures of her and her boat last
> spring.
> >>>
> >>> Ed K
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Just bent wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat
> stormy weather. Had a great day.
> >>>> When
> >>>> we got back to the dock, when you touch
> the boat, you would get
> >>>> shocked.
> >>>> I
> >>>> unhooked the battery & still got
> shocked. Was it static electricity
> >>>> from
> >>>> the storm?
> >>>> Jb
> >>>>
> >>>> Jb
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
> >>>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
> >>>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
> >>>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> View this message in context:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20423031.html
> >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive
> at Nabble.com.
> >>>
> >>>
> __________________________________________________
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> >>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> **************AOL Search: Your one stop for
> directions, recipes and all
> >>> other
> >>> Holiday needs. Search Now.
> >>>
> >>
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> >>> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)
> >>>
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 18
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:58:09 -0500
> >> From: "Michael D. Weisner"
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] question about
> electricity
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Message-ID:
> <B61F6996D13A4BA09C617101740CF42D at ebsoffice>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> >> reply-type=original
> >>
> >> Jb,
> >>
> >> The first pic is just fabulous! For an northeast
> boater, the
> >> foothills/mountains show that it is not like any
> water that we sail in
> >> here
> >> on the LI Sound. Beautiful - and the water still
> feels wet and you can
> >> sail
> >> on the stuff? Here, boats are hauled and
> wrapped, the leaves have nearly
> >> all fallen (we did have one of the prettiest
> autumns in years) ... Now
> >> if
> >> only we could sail on snow!
> >>
> >> As far as static electricity accumulating on the
> hull goes, it is
> >> probably
> >> due to the lack of humidity. Just as it occurs on
> airplanes, the winds
> >> redistribute electrons, causing a charge to build
> up on the insulated
> >> (fiberglass) hull. The simplest way to remedy
> this is to provide a
> >> leakage
> >> path to the water. All conductive metal objects
> (motor housing, rails,
> >> mast, rigging, etc.) should be connected together
> via a small wire (no
> >> real
> >> current is involved) and terminated at a fixture
> that is exposed to the
> >> water. Care should be taken to make connection
> to the water away from
> >> gasoline vapors (not at the motor or mount) and
> using a "sacrificial
> >> anode",
> >> something that you would not miss, as it may be
> consumed by galvanic
> >> corrosion in the process of transferring the
> charge. See
> >> http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/23.htm
> >>
> >> The creation of static electricity in this manner
> has been a real problem
> >> in
> >> biking (bicycles) due to the use of nylon suits
> and composite helmets.
> >> Some
> >> people have had good results using antistatic
> preparations such as fabric
> >> softeners to solve the problem. While treating
> the hull with wax
> >> increases
> >> the static generation ability, applying fabric
> softener solutions may
> >> reduce
> >> the generated potential, although the combination
> may cause an unsafe,
> >> very
> >> slippery surface.
> >>
> >> You need to find a way to harness the potential
> energy that you have
> >> created
> >> rather than just discharge it. How about a
> static electricity motor - I
> >> think that John Galt knew something about this
> ...
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >> From: "Just bent"
> <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008
> >> 10:56
> >>
> >> AM
> >>>
> >>> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy
> weather. Had a great day. When
> >>> we
> >>> got back to the dock, when you touch the
> boat, you would get shocked. I
> >>> unhooked the battery & still got shocked.
> Was it static electricity from
> >>> the
> >>> storm?
> >>> Jb
> >>>
> >>> Jb
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
> >>> --
> >>> View this message in context:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20422568.html
> >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive
> at Nabble.com.
> >>>
> >>>
> __________________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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