[Rhodes22-list] Politics & Economics

Andrew Collins sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com
Wed Nov 12 14:01:58 EST 2008 

Brad

I believe that Herb brought up the race issue here, not David. The way Herb
presented his observation was provocative, and it provoked a response. Both
Herb and Dave have to live with that. My specific point is that the
directive to 'give it a rest' should really be for the two of them.

I read something really provocative in the NYT this AM: Max Baukus Dem
Senator of Montana is proposinga sweeping health care reform that will
include illegal immigrants. Specifically it will lift the defacto 5 year
'presence in the country' requirement before they can get Medicaid and the
children's health program. This is what happens when problems are not
addressed in time, the immigration issue should have been tackled long ago.
Now we are all going to start paying and paying. As Stan said, the social
Republicans who came into office are leaving as Republican socialists.

Oh, and lest I forget, AIG now needs more money ...

Hank Paulson did such a poor job in responding to this financial crisis. It
started in August 2007, he did nothing until September of 2008, and then
showed up with a 3 page memo which contained no controls of the trillions he
proposed be given to his (ex)-brethren on Wall Street.

Perhaps taking him into the Rose Garden and shooting him while Ben Bernanke
watched would do much to focus their minds on this problem. Someone give me
a hand here, but was it not Mark Twain who said " there is nothing so
marvelous at focusing the mind as the prospect of ones own executiion in the
morning" or something to that effect.

Tootle, does this ring a bell? BTW, does the shoal draft 26' O'Day sail like
a Rhodes 22? I think that is what it was in the photo RR sent? Which one do
you like better?

brad - sorry about the cars, they can all be repaired and rebuilt ad
infinitum, its the ad nauseum that gets old.

Andrew



On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> David,
>
> Give it a rest! It's going to be a long-ass four years with people
> like you nervously twitching with their hand on the race card. You
> remind me of our local race baiting columnist who I've called out
> twice in published letters to the editor, one including this comment,
> "those who make their life's work looking for racism generally find
> it". The last thing this list or any other community needs is a "race
> nanny".  This is not a college campus and theres a fine line between
> being PC versus acting like a language cop.
>
> Race and racial differences is a fact of life.  I rather enjoy it.
>
> Brad
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:12 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I didnt think it needed that much explanation.  But OK, let's look at
> > your statements.
> >
> > "If you are one of the 95% of the American blacks that voted for
> > Obama, you are finally helping America right a grave wrong."  [Partial
> > fact, selective interpretation that I won't disagree with, but I
> > suspect you were being sarcastic.]
> >
> > If you are one of the 55% of American whites that voted for McCain
> > [Fact], you are a racist.  [Baseless inflamatory statement that
> > assigns racist motivations to the 45% of whites who didn't vote for
> > McCain.]
> >
> > If you are a black American General touting a republican candidate,
> > youare an uncle tom [Assigning racist motivation to another big chunk
> > of the popluation with no basis in fact or support, assuming you mean
> > Blacks felt that way about the general.]
> >
> > If you are the same black American General touting a democratic black
> > candidate, you are a deeply respected leader breaking with your party.
> >  [Can't argue with that - he did command a lot of respect for what he
> > did.  ]
> >
> > If you are a half-black half-white American liberal Democrat running
> > for senator, you are a rising black political star.  If you are a
> > black American conservative running against the above mentioned
> > candidate, you're not really black.  [Says who?  Some extreme
> > commentator?  You want to assign that to whom?]
> >
> > You assign racist motivation to others and engage in race-bating.  You
> > are intolerant of others' opinions to a greater extent than anyone
> > I've ever had the misfortunate to communicate with.
> >
> > I rarely attack others, but in your case, I'm ok with making an
> exception.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> wrote:
> >> David,
> >> Here's my observation of your post. You make accusations with nothing to
> >> back them up.
> >>
> >> Not only that, you're ignorant.
> >>
> >> Want to see a family picture sometime, you'd have a hard time convincing
> >> my family "of color" that I'm a racist, or a bigot.
> >>
> >> But then, what do they know, they haven't checked with you about me.
> >>
> >> I've noticed you didn't dispute any of the facts.
> >>
> >> Maybe you could look into that depth of knowledge that you contain, and
> >> tell me how my unbridled support of Alan Keys fits in with "racist" or
> >> "bigot".
> >>
> >> Again, it's hypocritical to say I'm a bigot or racist because I don't
> >> happen to support the black man (or brown woman, or yellow child) of
> >> YOUR choice.
> >>
> >> I support people because of who they are, not the color of their skin.
> >>
> >> Finally, are you able to hold a conversation without making an
> >> accusation against someone you happen to disagree with?
> >>
> >> David Bradley wrote:
> >>> Herb, here's my observation of your post.  You are a racist bigot.
> >>> All you are doing is bating people with old racist stereotypes.  Give
> >>> it a freakin' rest.
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> 'Zactly.
> >>>> Here's one of my observations of the election.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are one of the 95% of the American blacks that voted for Obama,
> >>>> you are finally helping America right a grave wrong.
> >>>> If you are one of the 55% of American whites that voted for McCain,
> you
> >>>> are a racist.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are a black American General touting a republican candidate,
> you
> >>>> are an uncle tom.
> >>>> If you are the same black American General touting a democratic black
> >>>> candidate, you are a deeply respected leader breaking with your party.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are a half-black half-white American liberal Democrat running
> for
> >>>> senator, you are a rising black political star.
> >>>> If you are a black American conservative running against the above
> >>>> mentioned candidate, you're not really black.
> >>>>
> >>>> But, I really do believe in the resiliency of the American people. I
> >>>> look at the next two years as a learning period.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> God Damn America!  America of KKK!  The chickens have come home to
> >>>>> roost! White man's greed starves a world in need!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Herb, there is no more shock value.  Classy indeed!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brad
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Herb Parsons <
> hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Classy Robert.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For the rest of the story, see
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>      http://www.cafepress.com/landoverbaptist
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> /Robert
> >>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Just got back from the car repair shop.  Since the election
> results
> >>>>>>>> means I won't be buying that new Toyota pickup from the factory in
> San
> >>>>>>>> Antonio, I'm spending some money on my 14 year-old car and 13
> year-old
> >>>>>>>> pickup to ride out the next four years.  The owner of the garage
> gave
> >>>>>>>> me a ride home and told me a story from one of his customers.
> >>>>>>>> Customer had three daughters, two in college, and all depending on
> >>>>>>>> Daddy for support.  The two voting age daughters came home on
> >>>>>>>> Wednesday all giddy.  When dad found out why, he asked them for
> their
> >>>>>>>> "Daddy" paid credit cards and cut them up in front of them, "let
> your
> >>>>>>>> new President buy your gas from now on"!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'd put this bumper sticker on my soon to be new/old cars but
> they'd
> >>>>>>>> be torched where I live -
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> http://bumperstickers.cafepress.com/item/o-shit-sticker-oval/275552201
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Welcome to Galt's Gulch!  If the top 5% who pay 60% of the taxes
> cut
> >>>>>>>> back 10% in earnings and spending, where does that leave you?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You asked for it, you got it!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Brad
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