[Rhodes22-list] Politics & Economics

[Brad Haslett]

Herb,

Gotta watch those racist Republicans.  I read today where Michael
Steele is likely to be the new RNC Chairman.  Fred Thompson's name is
being thrown around as well, but as much as I like Fred, I like Steele
better.

Brad

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> Yeah, my apologies. I sort of caught that on the next post I did.
>
> You know, my "disdain" is for the societal response, not to any
> particular individual. I know that's sometimes hard for folks to grasp,
> but here's an example.
>
> I think we would all agree that if 95% (or 96%, whichever is the case)
> of all black people voted for the black candidate, there is little doubt
> that race was involved.
>
> However, can I say person A voted for Barak because of race? No, not
> based on the information given. There is little doubt that race was
> involved overall, but there is LOTS of room for doubt about the
> motivations of any particular individual.
>
> By the same token, I'd say that if 55% of the white people voted for
> McCain, and what was the final number 47% of the overall populace voted
> for him,  then there was also likely some racism involved. Probably
> less, because 45% voted for Barak, but the numbers seem to indicate that
> there was some level of racism.
>
> However, that doesn't mean that I voting for McCain, or Brad, or anyone
> else, means they did so for racist reasons.
>
> Yet there were those, both on here and in the general population, that
> insisted that anyone supporting McCain was doing so out of bigotry and
> racism. That was my point.
>
> Alan Keyes, when he ran against Barak in Illinois, was pilloried, and
> was indeed called "not really black."
> More widespread (I'm sure because he was better known), when  Colin
> Powell supported President Bush, he was called an Uncle Tom (as was
> Condi Rice, who has my wholehearted support - wouldn't a Rice/Palin
> ticket have been interesting??, I'd have voted for them!!).
>
> These things may be ignored, but they cannot be honestly denied.
>
> And then, an idiot ignorant fool like David comes along, and calls me a
> bigot and a racist, with no explanation as to why.
>
> Not only was there no explanation, he doesn't know what he's talking
> about, but that's the true hallmark of someone that's ignorant.
>
> The idiocy part comes when they refuse to recognize their ignorance.
>
> And, unfortunately, I HAVEN'T been sailing in a while, about 3 weeks.
> However, we'll be on the lake this weekend.
>
>
> Andrew Collins wrote:
>> Herb
>>
>> The disdain comment came from John, not me. There does seem to be a grain of
>> truth in it, though.
>>
>> My comment to Brad was that the race card in this post, or string,
>> originated in your comments on the election, which concentrated on the race
>> issue and the perception of it by diffferent sectors in society.
>> As to who thrust what on whom, I bow out, er back out, er, can't seem to get
>> out no matter what I write, during the pre-election fervor, I do not know ,
>> not do I care. THIS  post brought it up.
>>
>> I find the race card passe' as the real issue on the table for me and my
>> family and my business is the behaviour of the free market socialists who
>> are reaching into our pockets. I vote 'shoot Hank Paulson while Bernanke
>> watches'.
>>
>> Been sailing much lately?
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> I said nothing about disdain for anyone. I simply posted my views.
>>>
>>> However, for posting my views, I was called a racist and a bigot.
>>>
>>> For the record, I didn't bring up the race issue, It was thrust in front
>>> of me constantly during this election, including watching the returns on
>>> election night.
>>>
>>> The way I presented my views may indeed have been provocative, and I
>>> WELCOME responses (that's the whole idea of a discussion); however, I
>>> called no one names, nor did I do anything I thought deserving of the
>>> response I got.
>>>
>>> In short, David's full of shit.
>>>
>>>
>>> John Shulick wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe that Herb brought up the race issue here, not David. The way
>>>>
>>> Herb
>>>
>>>> presented his observation was provocative, and it provoked a response.
>>>>
>>> Both
>>>
>>>> Herb and Dave have to live with that. My specific point is that the
>>>> directive to 'give it a rest' should really be for the two of them.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew,
>>>>
>>>>   Trying to get it to stop is like trying to stop the tide. Herb Ed and
>>>>
>>> god
>>>
>>>> have made it very clear that they have no intentions of ever relenting on
>>>> their constant posts espousing there views and their distain for anyone
>>>>
>>> who
>>>
>>>> dosen't agree. I wonder, does Ed own that O day 26?? It would be ironic
>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>> the most vocal people on the Rhodes 22 site don't own the boat.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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