[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to List Admin

[Ben Cittadino]

Folks;

Please put me on the side of the ledger of those who DO NOT want to Herb
removed from the list.

Having joined the list only this past summer in anticipation of taking
delivery of my very first  R22 I must say that my exposure to Herb has been
brief, but intense.

I won't go into a big song and dance about my reasons except to say that as
much as I wish it were not so, I still find it practically impossible to
drive past a horrible wreck on the interstate without slowing a little to
take a peek. God forgive me.

Best wishes to all (especially to Herb);

Ben C.



hparsons wrote:
> 
> Michael,
> 
> I was actually going to sit by and watch these without response, but you 
> mused on one thing that I think merits a response:
> 
> =====
> It is for this reason that I will not place a filter on Herb's traffic, 
> although others are free to do so (Herb has even volunteered to help 
> these people set up such as filter, although his motivation for such an 
> offer of help eludes me.)
> =====
> 
> I volunteered to do so because I was calling their bluff. I do not 
> believe for an instant that those that are complaining loudly really 
> want to simply ignore my posts. Were that true, the whole thing would be 
> simple enough, the technology exists for them to completely ignore them. 
> My offer removes the "I don't know how to do it" excuse.
> 
> Brad touched on this, and actually expressed my views to just about to a 
> T. Most of those that really just don't want to be bothered with my 
> posts do what I do with the ones I don't particularly want to be 
> bothered with. They just ignore/delete them. However, there are a group 
> of folks on here that want to be free to spew THEIR vitriol without 
> response. That's what's "wrong and selfish".
> 
> And yes Slim, when you say that anyone that believes in God, or has 
> religious convictions, is a religious kook, that's vitriol. That's 
> baiting. That's being a troll. Make use of that mirror that Brad spoke of.
> 
> I've never attacked anyone on here, or anyone else, for not believing 
> the way I do. I resent having my views treated that way, and will 
> respond accordingly.
> 
> So, again to summarize, the reason I offer to help folks is to point out 
> the hypocrisy of their statements that they simply don't want to see my 
> messages. The truth is, they don't want anyone to see my messages. They 
> want to be free to have one side expressed, and only one side.
> 
> Slim's latest attempt is further evidence of that.
> 
> 
> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> Although I have been annoyed by Herb's actions at times, I cannot and
>> would 
>> not support such an action.  Steve (Slim), I think that you have
>> overreacted 
>> to Herb's recent activity.  This forum provides a method of dealing with 
>> this kind of behavior through discussion without resorting to
>> administrative 
>> censure.
>>
>> Yes, Herb does bully and annoy people, but do we want participants to be
>> so 
>> afraid of administrative removal that we do not say what is important and
>> on 
>> our minds?  This is what the world is like and our sailor's bar is but a 
>> small sample of the world.  I appreciate Herb's intelligence (when he
>> does 
>> not just shoot the messenger for the heck of it) and those pearls that he 
>> occasionally publishes such as his friend's blog and sailing adventures. 
>> To 
>> remove such a person is to lessen the experience of life.  It is for this 
>> reason that I will not place a filter on Herb's traffic, although others
>> are 
>> free to do so (Herb has even volunteered to help these people set up such
>> as 
>> filter, although his motivation for such an offer of help eludes me.)
>>
>> I think (statement of opinion, Herb) that we can deal with the situation
>> as 
>> a community, expressing personal beliefs and such, as long as the
>> discussion 
>> does not become a slugfest or personal attack.  I would ask that Herb
>> think 
>> a bit longer before responding, lest he respond only to achieve the last 
>> word.  Others are free to advise that they would not like to hear from
>> Herb. 
>> Hopefully, through this exchange, we will seek a new level of discussion, 
>> appropriate to most who contribute to "da list."  Those who are unhappy
>> with 
>> the traffic as being "not about sailing a Rhodes 22" or too caustic
>> subject 
>> matter are free to start their own list.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>>        Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13,
>> 2008 
>> 3:36 AM
>>   
>>> To JLo and MJM,
>>>
>>> We have a troll on our list that has been causing problems and
>>> instilling
>>> hatred and posting foul diatribes for months now.  He has caused many to
>>> filter him out and/or delete his posts in disgust.  I, myself have 
>>> received
>>> numerous back-channel messages complaining about him and his rude and
>>> inappropriate posts.  This should come to a halt.  As a member of this 
>>> fine
>>> community of Rhodes owners for some 8 or 9 years, I've seen only one
>>> other
>>> member who has shown such a disrespect for others here on the Rhodes
>>> list.
>>> That individual was ultimately relieved of his status here and
>>> thankfully 
>>> is
>>> no longer a member.  I recommend that this troll be sanctioned and no 
>>> longer
>>> be allowed to participate in our otherwise polite and courteous exchange 
>>> of
>>> sailing and/or other topics.  He has disrupted our list for too long and 
>>> has
>>> caused too many arguments for the rest of us to be comfortable with 
>>> posting
>>> our usual thoughts on any given topic without being lambasted with his
>>> vitriol.  He continues to insult anyone and everyone who disagrees with 
>>> his
>>> positions and in doing so has created an environment of hostility that
>>> has
>>> made the Rhodes list a den of venom.  I'm referring to Herb Parsons.  I 
>>> ask
>>> that you consider removing him from our group.  He contributes little 
>>> other
>>> than arguments and stifles many from contributing to this wonderful
>>> forum.
>>> I want him out!
>>>
>>> Steve Alm  aka  "Slim"
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