[Rhodes22-list] Political - Palin, Obama
Robert Skinner
Robert at SquirrelHaven.com
Wed Nov 19 22:50:50 EST 2008
OK, you got the last word - a lot of last words...
You win. I have no further desire to talk to you.
Satisfied?
/Robert
Herb Parsons wrote:
> Mandate? I wasn't talking about a mandate, I was talking about Palin not
> fading off into the sunset.
>
> I'm not a big believer in the "mandate" stuff. A politician is elected.
> It doesn't matter if he's elected by a 1% margin, or a 90% margin, he's
> elected, and he needs to start fulfilling the promises and commitments
> he made to those that elected him. If Obama can do that, I'll be
> surprised. I don't think he can, nor do I think he will. That's why I'm
> not particularly upset by the results.
>
> He made a lot of overt commitments that I don't think he will be able to
> keep, and that's not even considering all the "implied" promises. He was
> elected on a campaign of "let's take it away from the minority and give
> it to the majority", and LOTS of people are expecting more than he will
> be able to deliver. Don't pooh pooh those accounts of people reporting
> about how happy they are that he's going to take care of their gas bill
> and their mortgages.
>
> Then add to that the possible disaster that I see looming in
> Iraq/Afghanistan. There's no doubt that the "implied promise" was that
> he will get us out of Iraq, and begin fighting in Afghanistan and
> deliver up Bin Laden.
>
> If he pulls out of Iraq fast enough to suit his left wing followers, it
> will make Vietnam look like a policy masterpiece. We will literally be
> pulling snatching victory away. If Iraq then falls into a mess like what
> happened in Vietnam, shame shame shame (I had a typo there that I
> corrected, but it still fits - same shame shame).
>
> Then, we go into Afghanistan, and have the same resounding "success"
> enjoyed by the Russians. I don't believe we have the stomach as a nation
> to fight a man to man ground war that is required in the mountains of
> Afghanistan. If we won't let our military succeed in Iraq, we surely
> will not in Afghanistan.
>
> And, do you REALLY think he's going to deliver up Bin Laden?
>
> I suspect we're going to be hearing a LOT of "We may not succeed in one
> term..."
>
> I hope though, that people have a good memory. I know I did when I
> didn't vote for "read my lips" President Bush '41.
>
> As I said, no mandate needed. He just needs to start doing what he
> promised to do. I think the next two years are going to be interesting.
>
>
> I hope that the voters
>
> Robert Skinner wrote:
>> When it comes to mandates, he has done
>> a lot better than his predecessor.
>>
>> There are undeniable advantages to verbal
>> skills when communicating -- a talent
>> conspicuous in its absence in Bush.
>>
>> As to Reagan, at least he could string a
>> few words together without tripping on
>> his tongue -- that was my point. It
>> served him well in negotiations.
>>
>> /Robert
>> -----------------------------------------
>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>
>>> You DO understand the difference between an orator, and someone with
>>> oratory skills. Surely you're not saying that after hearing Palin's
>>> speech to the RNC that she had NO oratory skills?
>>>
>>> How does having (or not having) an oratory ability reflect a lack (or
>>> existence) of anti-intellectual attitudes?
>>>
>>> Sorry Robert, your guy won the election, but he did not receive a
>>> mandate for the rest of the world to blindly become like him and what he
>>> represents.
>>>
>>> Again, you used Reagan as an example, but you seem to overlook what the
>>> "deep thinkers" and intellectual community were saying about him back then.
>>>
>>> For all of Carter's deep thinking and oratory abilities, he let a group
>>> of "students" hold us hostage for over a year. My personal result is our
>>> actions during that disgraceful period were in a large part responsible
>>> for 9-11.
>>>
>>> Take those radicals, who we were TOTALLY unsuccessful in dealing with,
>>> and multiply them by 10 fold. THAT is what the orator and deep thinker
>>> is going to deal with. That's OK though, because he's already made it
>>> clear that he's willing to sit down with any of them and "talk".
>>>
>>> We'll see what the oratory and talk gets us.
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Herb, I think that a person who has some oratory
>>>> skills will be a help in negotiations with the
>>>> international community. They do not have the
>>>> anti-intellectual attitude that has been anything
>>>> but an asset as we interact with the world's best
>>>> brains.
>>>>
>>>> /Robert
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>
>>>>> Robtert (and others like him) are looking at Palin from the far left
>>>>> view. They're somehow under the illusion that we WANT an "orator" or a
>>>>> "deep thinker". It's funny the two he compared her (negatively) to.
>>>>> Regan, who the Democrats lambasted much the same way they did her
>>>>> (remember when he talked about Star Wars defense, and they started
>>>>> derisively calling him Ray-Gun?), and President Jimmy Carter. Carter!!!
>>>>> Yes, a great orator, a great guy in general, a good Christian man, and a
>>>>> joke of a President. If that's what oratory ability and deep thinking
>>>>> gets us, give me the common man (or woman) instead!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, it seems you've bought into the MSM meme and haven't done your
>>>>>> own homework. I suggest you do your own due diligence on Gov. Palin's
>>>>>> very real accomplishments before you let other people do your thinking
>>>>>> for you. Unlike Obama's long string of failures in Chicago, Palin can
>>>>>> point to real successes. Frankly, I'm not impressed by a Harvard
>>>>>> degree in law or anything else. For the sake of the country, I wish
>>>>>> for a successful Obama Presidency. As for me and my family, "we're
>>>>>> loaded for bear". How anyone can believe that a leader with a
>>>>>> mediocre track record following failed economic themes can be
>>>>>> successful is beyond me. No one will be more happily surprised if it
>>>>>> all works out OK than myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Robert Skinner
>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Certainly, she is no "Great Communicator."
>>>>>>> We will never see "Bedtime for Palin."
>>>>>>> Nor, I suspect, will we hear about a
>>>>>>> Carteresque "lusting in the heart."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, Brad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But is too early to expect that Bambizilla
>>>>>>> will retire from the political scene. I
>>>>>>> suspect that the GOP spinsters will find
>>>>>>> some way to use her, perhaps as a contrast,
>>>>>>> a straw woman, to a real Republican orator
>>>>>>> or deep thinker to spark up the 2012 campaign.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But for the next two years, I hope, we can
>>>>>>> get working on the nation's business. We can
>>>>>>> hope that Obama can calm the fears and tame
>>>>>>> the chaos of an economy headed for the
>>>>>>> dumpster. We will also see if he can
>>>>>>> extricate us gracefully from Iraq and succeed
>>>>>>> in bringing down the terrorist franchises.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hoping,
>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rummy;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very cute.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And now....before she fades into the sunset, some final words from Sarah
>>>>>>>> Palin....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and the relevance to me
>>>>>>>> with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of the countries there
>>>>>>>> that were kind of the people succumbing to the dictators and the corruption
>>>>>>>> of some collapsed governments on the continent, the relevance was Alaska's
>>>>>>>> investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund dollars"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And, she concluded, "never, ever did I talk about, well, gee, is it a
>>>>>>>> country or a continent, I just don't know about this issue."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know, I know... her heart is in the right place (and so are a few other
>>>>>>>> parts).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No Hard Feelings...to the democrats
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The election day is over,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The talking is done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My party lost, your party won.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So let us be friends,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let arguments pass.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll hug my elephant,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You kiss your ass.
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