[Rhodes22-list] Political - Palin, Obama - apology

Thu Nov 20 11:55:48 EST 2008

You are right, Hank.  When I reviewed the exchange,
it was clear that I misunderstood Hank's message.
I went over the line, and owe Herb an apology.

Herb, of late you have been easier to take, and
your message was rational.  I am in the wrong.

/Robert
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Hank wrote:
> Robert,
> 
> I have to call foul on this one.  Herb came back with a reasonable response
> to your email, did not attack you, was calm and cool, and then you get huffy
> and complain?  You have just lost any credibility or right to bitch about
> anyone else's posts.
> 
> Hank
> 
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Robert Skinner
> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com>wrote:
> 
>> OK, you got the last word - a lot of last words...
>> You win.  I have no further desire to talk to you.
>> Satisfied?
>>
>> /Robert
>>
>>
>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>> Mandate? I wasn't talking about a mandate, I was talking about Palin not
>>> fading off into the sunset.
>>>
>>> I'm not a big believer in the "mandate" stuff. A politician is elected.
>>> It doesn't matter if he's elected by a 1% margin, or a 90% margin, he's
>>> elected, and he needs to start fulfilling the promises and commitments
>>> he made to those that elected him. If Obama can do that, I'll be
>>> surprised. I don't think he can, nor do I think he will. That's why I'm
>>> not particularly upset by the results.
>>>
>>> He made a lot of overt commitments that I don't think he will be able to
>>> keep, and that's not even considering all the "implied" promises. He was
>>> elected on a campaign of "let's take it away from the minority and give
>>> it to the majority", and LOTS of people are expecting more than he will
>>> be able to deliver. Don't pooh pooh those accounts of people reporting
>>> about how happy they are that he's going to take care of their gas bill
>>> and their mortgages.
>>>
>>> Then add to that the possible disaster that I see looming in
>>> Iraq/Afghanistan. There's no doubt that the "implied promise" was that
>>> he will get us out of Iraq, and begin fighting in Afghanistan and
>>> deliver up Bin Laden.
>>>
>>> If he pulls out of Iraq fast enough to suit his left wing followers, it
>>> will make Vietnam look like a policy masterpiece. We will literally be
>>> pulling snatching victory away. If Iraq then falls into a mess like what
>>> happened in Vietnam, shame shame shame (I had a typo there that I
>>> corrected, but it still fits - same shame shame).
>>>
>>> Then, we go into Afghanistan, and have the same resounding "success"
>>> enjoyed by the Russians. I don't believe we have the stomach as a nation
>>> to fight a man to man ground war that is required in the mountains of
>>> Afghanistan. If we won't let our military succeed in Iraq, we surely
>>> will not in Afghanistan.
>>>
>>> And, do you REALLY think he's going to deliver up Bin Laden?
>>>
>>> I suspect we're going to be hearing a LOT of "We may not succeed in one
>>> term..."
>>>
>>> I hope though, that people have a good memory. I know I did when I
>>> didn't vote for "read my lips" President Bush '41.
>>>
>>> As I said, no mandate needed. He just needs to start doing what he
>>> promised to do. I think the next two years are going to be interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope that the voters
>>>
>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>> When it comes to mandates, he has done
>>>> a lot better than his predecessor.
>>>>
>>>> There are undeniable advantages to verbal
>>>> skills when communicating -- a talent
>>>> conspicuous in its absence in Bush.
>>>>
>>>> As to Reagan, at least he could string a
>>>> few words together without tripping on
>>>> his tongue -- that was my point.  It
>>>> served him well in negotiations.
>>>>
>>>> /Robert
>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You DO understand the difference between an orator, and someone with
>>>>> oratory skills. Surely you're not saying that after hearing Palin's
>>>>> speech to the RNC that she had NO oratory skills?
>>>>>
>>>>> How does having (or not having) an oratory ability reflect a lack (or
>>>>> existence) of anti-intellectual attitudes?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry Robert, your guy won the election, but he did not receive a
>>>>> mandate for the rest of the world to blindly become like him and what
>> he
>>>>> represents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, you used Reagan as an example, but you seem to overlook what the
>>>>> "deep thinkers" and intellectual community were saying about him back
>> then.
>>>>> For all of Carter's deep thinking and oratory abilities, he let a group
>>>>> of "students" hold us hostage for over a year. My personal result is
>> our
>>>>> actions during that disgraceful period were in a large part responsible
>>>>> for 9-11.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take those radicals, who we were TOTALLY unsuccessful in dealing with,
>>>>> and multiply them by 10 fold. THAT is what the orator and deep thinker
>>>>> is going to deal with. That's OK though, because he's already made it
>>>>> clear that he's willing to sit down with any of them and "talk".
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll see what the oratory and talk gets us.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb, I think that a person who has some oratory
>>>>>> skills will be a help in negotiations with the
>>>>>> international community.  They do not have the
>>>>>> anti-intellectual attitude that has been anything
>>>>>> but an asset as we interact with the world's best
>>>>>> brains.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robtert (and others like him) are looking at Palin from the far left
>>>>>>> view. They're somehow under the illusion that we WANT an "orator" or
>> a
>>>>>>> "deep thinker". It's funny the two he compared her (negatively) to.
>>>>>>> Regan, who the Democrats lambasted much the same way they did her
>>>>>>> (remember when he talked about Star Wars defense, and they started
>>>>>>> derisively calling him Ray-Gun?), and President Jimmy Carter.
>> Carter!!!
>>>>>>> Yes, a great orator, a great guy in general, a good Christian man,
>> and a
>>>>>>> joke of a President. If that's what oratory ability and deep thinking
>>>>>>> gets us, give me the common man (or woman) instead!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, it seems you've bought into the MSM meme and haven't done your
>>>>>>>> own homework.  I suggest you do your own due diligence on Gov.
>> Palin's
>>>>>>>> very real accomplishments before you let other people do your
>> thinking
>>>>>>>> for you.  Unlike Obama's long string of failures in Chicago, Palin
>> can
>>>>>>>> point to real successes.  Frankly, I'm not impressed by a Harvard
>>>>>>>> degree in law or anything else.  For the sake of the country, I wish
>>>>>>>> for a successful Obama Presidency.  As for me and my family, "we're
>>>>>>>> loaded for bear".  How anyone can believe that a leader with a
>>>>>>>> mediocre track record following failed economic themes can be
>>>>>>>> successful is beyond me.  No one will be more happily surprised if
>> it
>>>>>>>> all works out OK than myself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Certainly, she is no "Great Communicator."
>>>>>>>>> We will never see "Bedtime for Palin."
>>>>>>>>> Nor, I suspect, will we hear about a
>>>>>>>>> Carteresque "lusting in the heart."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, Brad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But is too early to expect that Bambizilla
>>>>>>>>> will retire from the political scene.  I
>>>>>>>>> suspect that the GOP spinsters will find
>>>>>>>>> some way to use her, perhaps as a contrast,
>>>>>>>>> a straw woman, to a real Republican orator
>>>>>>>>> or deep thinker to spark up the 2012 campaign.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But for the next two years, I hope, we can
>>>>>>>>> get working on the nation's business.  We can
>>>>>>>>> hope that Obama can calm the fears and tame
>>>>>>>>> the chaos of an economy headed for the
>>>>>>>>> dumpster.  We will also see if he can
>>>>>>>>> extricate us gracefully from Iraq and succeed
>>>>>>>>> in bringing down the terrorist franchises.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hoping,
>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rummy;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Very cute.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And now....before she fades into the sunset, some final words from
>> Sarah
>>>>>>>>>> Palin....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and the
>> relevance to me
>>>>>>>>>> with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of the countries
>> there
>>>>>>>>>> that were kind of the people succumbing to the dictators and the
>> corruption
>>>>>>>>>> of some collapsed governments on the continent, the relevance was
>> Alaska's
>>>>>>>>>> investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund dollars"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And, she concluded, "never, ever did I talk about, well, gee, is
>> it a
>>>>>>>>>> country or a continent, I just don't know about this issue."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know, I know... her heart is in the right place (and so are a
>> few other
>>>>>>>>>> parts).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No Hard Feelings...to the democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The election day is  over,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The talking is done.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My party lost, your  party won.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So let us be friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let arguments  pass.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll hug my elephant,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You kiss your  ass.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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