[Rhodes22-list] Political....this is interesting.

Thu Nov 20 16:41:45 EST 2008

Paul;

The point of my post (other than to get a rise out of Brad,...."Mission
Accomplished") was to suggest that there are always a relatively small
number  of people who will fight anything, no matter how obvious it is that
they are wasting their time. (I believe the "Flat Earth Society" still
exists). The Obama citizenship issue hasn't gotten to "this point" or "this
level" with anybody who (forgive me) "matters". America is getting ready to
celebrate this electoral result.  Alan Keyes is no longer a serious person
(my opinion) and his traveling side show only succeeds in certain, shall we
say, backwaters, of American culture. I don't know exactly when the elevator
stopped going all the way to the top floor with that guy, but he has
definitely undergone some major cerebral malfunction (again my opinion).
Other lawsuits making the same claims have already been tossed.

Look, people who want to get all worked up over this issue have my blessing.
It's a free country.  But as we stand on the threshold of a new
administration which will have to deal immediately with only about 496
crucial, life and death, FUTURE OF AMERICA issues, the question of Mr.
Obama's citizenship is just not important.

Ben S. please don't send any "offensive" jokes by way of the list, but a
back-channel communication is just fine. You have my email address.

Best;

Ben C.

pdgrand wrote:
> 
> Ben,
> 
> I understand where you're going with that, but the underlying question is
> why has it even gotten to this point?  Everyone seems to agree that
> proving your citizenship is a very simple and easy thing to do if you are
> indeed a citizen.  So, why hasn't he done it?  Why let something like this
> spin to this level?  It just doesn't make any sense.
> 
> Paul
> 
>>
>> Bill;
>>
>> I suppose it's possible that a space ship landed in the American
>> southwest
>> in "Area 51" in the 1950's but it's so unlikely that nobody cares, except
>> a
>> few UFO enthusiasts who entertain themselves and their friends with wild
>> and
>> silly conspiracy theories;
>>
>> I suppose it's possible that Elvis Presley is alive and working as a gas
>> station attendant having escaped his pressure cooker life as a celebrity
>> but
>> it's so unlikely that nobody cares, except a few Presley enthusiasts who
>> entertain themselves and their friends with wild and silly conspiracy
>> theories;
>>
>> I suppose it's possible that Barack Obama is covering up the fact that he
>> is
>> not a natural born American citizen but it's so unlikely that nobody
>> cares,
>> except.....(well, you get the idea).
>>
>> I'm "Jones'n" for a good Sarah Palin joke. Are they all gone?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>> Bill Effros wrote:
>>>
>>> Herb,
>>>
>>> If Obama were born in Hawaii it would appear he had 3 citizenships, US
>>> by virtue of his place of birth; English because his father had
>>> commonwealth status; and Indonesian by virtue of his attendance at
>>> Indonesian schools at which his citizenship was stated as Indonesian.
>>>
>>> Indonesia required citizens of other countries to give up all other
>>> citizenships before they could enjoy the benefits of Indonesian
>>> citizenship -- like passports and schooling.
>>>
>>> Obama could have reclaimed his American Citizenship, as many on this
>>> list have reported they have done, but it does not appear he has done
>>> so.  This step, and officially changing his name back to "Barack Hussein
>>> Obama" would seem to be the minimum requirements for running and serving
>>> as "President Barack Hussein Obama".
>>>
>>> There would remain the question of "natural born citizen", but
>>> reclaiming name and citizenship would seem to be necessary first.  There
>>> is no indication he has done either.
>>>
>>> When Republicans indicated an interest in running citizen Arnold
>>> Schwarznegger for President Democrats let them know in no uncertain
>>> terms that only "natural born citizens" need apply for the job of
>>> President.
>>>
>>> The current situation is commonly referred to as "repayment in kind."
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>> Believe it or not, I have a problem with Dr. Keye's lawsuit in
>>>> particular, and the whole "not a citizen" issue in general.
>>>>
>>>> First of all, IF Barak was not a citizen when he was born, that puts
>>>> everything in a different light (and I think that's a possibility, I'm
>>>> not convinced one way or another at this point).
>>>>
>>>> However, if he was born a US citizen, I think the notion that his
>>>> parents may have taken that away by their later actions is wrong. If
>>>> it's technically correct, I still think it's wrong. No one should be
>>>> able to take away a US citizen's birthright, unless THAT citizen has
>>>> done something to lose it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rummy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't forget the Alan Keyes lawsuit filed November 12 in California
>>>>> where Dr. Keyes was on the ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.soundinvestments.us/files/final_writ_keyes_v_bowen.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> What's interesting about the Keyes lawsuit is the question it raises
>>>>> about the trip to Pakistan (illegal for US citizens at the time).  Did
>>>>> O just break the law or was he traveling on a foreign passport?
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:09 AM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
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