[Rhodes22-list] Brad, about Trig Palin

[Bill Effros]

Ed,

Please note that the certificate number on the "short form" birth 
certificate has been blacked out.

If someone tried to sell you an R-22 with a blacked out hull number, 
would you accept it?

The document James forwarded is specifically designated "unacceptable" 
for purposes of proving citizenship.  The government insists on seeing 
the "long form" birth certificate which includes information about where 
the birth occurred and who was the attending doctor.  The birth 
certificate must have a raised seal to be acceptable.

At the time of Obama's birth, Hawaii issued birth certificates to 
children born elsewhere.  The actual location of birth is noted on the 
"long form".  Obama has refused to release the long form.  Why?  What is 
on his original birth certificate that he wants no one to see?

Because we don't have "identity papers" for travel within the US, 
passports are almost the only papers most "natural born" citizens have 
verifying governmental "citizen" status. The requirements for obtaining 
passports are specific -- and Obama does not seem to be able to meet them.

Furthermore, he lied on his application for a law license in Illinois 
regarding whether he was ever known by any other name.  Clearly he both 
left this country and re-entered as "Barry Soetoro"--an Indonesian citizen.

If you are born in a foreign country to parents, only one of whom is an 
American citizen, the rules concerning your citizenship are different 
from foreign birth to 2 American Citizen parents.  Because Hawaii had 
only been part of the United States for 2 years at the time of Obama's 
birth, there is a question about whether his very young mother qualified 
in this situation to automatically confer citizenship to her child.

By international convention, the United States cannot interfere with any 
other nation's requirement that citizens of those nations must 
relinquish all other citizenship.  Indonesia had such a requirement at 
the time Obama lived there.

We can allow him to reclaim his United States Citizenship, but he must 
do so.  It does not appear Obama has reclaimed his US citizenship, and 
he has thus far refused to provide documentation indicating he was ever 
entitled to US citizenship.

Natural Born United States citizenship is a requirement for eligibility 
to become President of the United States.  If Obama cannot prove he is a 
natural born United States citizen he is under continual threat of 
impeachment.

There were some who said a President could not get impeached over a 
blow-job, and that no one cared anyhow, but it seems they were mistaken.

Bill Effros







Tootle wrote:
> Brad,
>
> Statistically Down's babies are born to women over 34 years of age.  The
> probability increases hyperbolically as the women gets older.  While not
> impossible for a downs baby to be born to a female under 25, it just does
> not happen.  The under 25 issue is premee.  So, statistically, the
> probability is that it is her baby (and that is a very high probabilty, like
> 99.99).  
>
> As to the certificate posted by James, are you suggesting a made up one,
> like what Dan Rather posted about Bush?  Is Dan Rather involved here?  
>
> The fact that it was completed four days after his birth is routine.  In
> fact the further you go back in U. S. history, the gaps widen.
>
> As to the question of him traveling without a passport, it is the receiving
> country to check documents.  They do not have to demand them nor check them. 
> He may well have traveled without a passport.  They rolled out a red carpet,
> do you think they asked for documents?  I doubt it.  
>
> Maybe that copy of his birth certificate was obtained by Obama for the
> purpose of getting a passport?  
>
> I see no real evidence that he does not meet the Constitutional requirements
> on place of birth.  His mother was citizen.  The fact that he went to live
> in foreign county and was called a citizen of that county is probably not
> relevant even if he was adult.  Foreign laws would not do away with U. S.
> citizenship unless there was a public declaration as an adult.
>
> Ed K
>
>