[Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!

TN Rhodey tnrhodey at gmail.com
Sun Nov 23 13:26:01 EST 2008 

Elle,

Cheer up! Your attitude, and perspective have certainly brightened this list
up.  I have a feeling you made a positive impact on many students.

Fair winds,

Wally

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:42 AM, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry, Herb. You know not of which you speak. In fact, you acknowledge it
> at the beginning when you said,"Actually, I think ..."
>
> You may analyze,think, suppose and assume, burt unless you spent the years
> from 1969-2002 in an elementary, junior high and high school classroom, with
> upwards of 120 vastly differing 'entitled' students of all colors,
> backgrounds, attitudes, and watched the society change from the kid needing
> correction (being able to paddle (which was allowed) to the teacher needs
> correction ("you embarrassed my child when he had no homework....") you
> really have no dog in this hunt.
>
> elle
>
> BYW....FYI   I'm at -6 on the "Life Sucks-O-Meter" so be forwarned and
> forarmed...;^)
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>
> --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 11:42 PM
>
> Actually, I think it's a combination of multiple issues. Let's face it,
> if the educational lobby concentrated as hard on issues like the one you
> just mentioned as they do on increasing funding, increasing the size of
> their bureaucracy, protecting incompetent "educators", etc., those
> laws
> likely would never have been passed.
>
> At the same time, if we as parents, were more involved in the
> educational process of our children, most of us would be surprised at
> exactly what we can do. However, in the relative vaccumn of parental
> involvement, the bureaucracies have thrived like a fungus, and we've
> ended up where we are now.
>
> As Brad alluded to, that's one of the reasons we see people making the
> sacrifices they make to keep their kids in private schools where there
> the bureaucratic mess is mitigated. And I'm not talking about the
> wealthy, who put their kids in private school without thought or effort.
> I'm talking about the working class Joe that makes real sacrifices
> because they've been scared off by the mess that public school has become.
>
>
> elle wrote:
> > Read the papers, Herb.
> >
> > Educators haven't 'turned over' discipline; it has been ripped
> out of their control by laws and regulations and lawsuits.
> >
> > Don't tax yourself by making this too hard; just concentrate on
> looking up the laws regulating the disciplining of special ed students.
> >
> > You might want to add in the students on probation who are sent back to
> school by naive judges.
> >
> > That's a fun mix to have in the classroom: a kid who knows you
> can't do anything to him & a kid who doesn't care what is done to
> him.
> >
> > Oh..add a few who don't speak English.....
> >
> > Great atmosphere for readin' & writin'.
> >
> > elle
> >
> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
> >
> > 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:42 PM
> >> Isn't it amazing how much educators have turned over
> >> discipline to
> >> "professionals" so they can "concentrate on
> >> educating"; yet the overall
> >> education level is declining?
> >>
> >> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>
> >>> Herb,
> >>>
> >>> It all reminds me of an incident that happened about
> >>>
> >> two weeks ago
> >>
> >>> (and a similar incident 2 decades ago when my older
> >>>
> >> boys were
> >>
> >>> youngsters).  One of Fan's friends, a Filipino
> >>>
> >> lady who husband was
> >>
> >>> making rounds as Doc on a Saturday morning, made the
> >>>
> >> mistake of
> >>
> >>> leaving her five year-old with me for the morning so
> >>>
> >> they could go
> >>
> >>> shopping.  I couldn't wait for their car to hit
> >>>
> >> the end of the
> >>
> >>> driveway.  When they returned, Momma Filipino asked me
> >>>
> >> how "little
> >>
> >>> shithead" and I got along.  "Oh, just fine,
> >>>
> >> he's a sweet kid".  I'm
> >>
> >>> assuming he was still too scared to tell mom how I
> >>>
> >> picked him up by
> >>
> >>> his britches (therefore scrunching what little nuts he
> >>>
> >> had) to have a
> >>
> >>> 'mano-a-mano' talk at eye level.  These
> >>>
> >> gutless wonders who call cops
> >>
> >>> for silly shit they should handle real time not only
> >>>
> >> amaze me, but
> >>
> >>> piss me off.
> >>>
> >>> And you wonder why people work two jobs to send their
> >>>
> >> kids to a
> >>
> >>> private school where they can be kicked out in a
> >>>
> >> heartbeat?
> >>
> >>> Brad
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Herb Parsons
> >>>
> >> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I read that one too, and was all prepared to be
> >>>>
> >> outraged as well;
> >>
> >>>> however, I think this is a case of creating
> >>>>
> >> "attention grabbing
> >>
> >>>> headlines". I suspect that the kid turning
> >>>>
> >> off the computers of those
> >>
> >>>> around him during the computer class was the real
> >>>>
> >> disruption that got
> >>
> >>>> him in trouble. If you isolate the two, it makes
> >>>>
> >> it pretty apparent.
> >>
> >>>> If he was ONLY turning off computers during
> >>>>
> >> computer class, would he
> >>
> >>>> have been disciplined - most likely
> >>>> If he was ONLY "passing wind" during
> >>>>
> >> class, would have been disciplined
> >>
> >>>> - probably not
> >>>>
> >>>> If the last one was the case though, THEN it would
> >>>>
> >> have made for a
> >>
> >>>> really interesting story. Right up there with the
> >>>>
> >> ones about 5 year olds
> >>
> >>>> being disciplined for "sexual
> >>>>
> >> harrassment" for kissing girls.
> >>
> >>>> Now THAT was an art form when I was a kid :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Good thing they finally busted this kid.
> >>>>>
> >> Imagine, if you let this
> >>
> >>>>> kind of thing go on he'd eventually end of
> >>>>>
> >> Governor of some state
> >>
> >>>>> ignoring the slaughter of Thanksgiving
> >>>>>
> >> turkeys. In my family, "passing
> >>
> >>>>> gas" was considered an art form and
> >>>>>
> >> I've always been a competitive
> >>
> >>>>> person.  Thank goodness my school teachers had
> >>>>>
> >> a sense of humor - at
> >>
> >>>>> least I'd like to think they did.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brad
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1121083gas1.html
> >>
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> >>>>>
> >>>> --
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> >>>>
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