[Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!

pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net
Mon Nov 24 15:45:25 EST 2008 

Elle,

My wife is a Media Specialist (aka: Librarian) in a middle school and
loves the age group.  (She previously worked in a high school and in
public libraries.)  She says their old enough to not feel like you're a
glorified baby-sitter, yet too young to have learned how to cop an
attitude.  Of course, we live in the country, so maybe they're a couple of
years behind where urban or suburban kids would be.

Paul

> Herb,
>
> Yep, we are on opposite sides this time...'seeing' the school system from
> whatever angles and being in the employ for two doesn't hold a candle to
> every day for 33 years, in three different levels (elementary, jr high (I
> high-tailed it out of there to the high school when they went to the
> middle-school-hormone-hell model) & high school.
>
> Ya gotta have the shoes on in order to walk that mile...
>
> elle
>
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 6:31 PM
>> Well elle, we're going to have to disagree on this one.
>> I pay school
>> taxes, thus I DO have a "dog in this hunt". I
>> also had 4 children in
>> various public and private schools over the years, and I
>> did in fact
>> spend two years in the employ of a local school district.
>> I've seen the
>> system from just about every angle possible.
>>
>>
>> elle wrote:
>> > Sorry, Herb. You know not of which you speak. In fact,
>> you acknowledge it at the beginning when you
>> said,"Actually, I think ..."
>> >
>> > You may analyze,think, suppose and assume, burt unless
>> you spent the years from 1969-2002 in an elementary, junior
>> high and high school classroom, with upwards of 120 vastly
>> differing 'entitled' students of all colors,
>> backgrounds, attitudes, and watched the society change from
>> the kid needing correction (being able to paddle (which was
>> allowed) to the teacher needs correction ("you
>> embarrassed my child when he had no homework....") you
>> really have no dog in this hunt.
>> >
>> > elle
>> >
>> > BYW....FYI   I'm at -6 on the "Life
>> Sucks-O-Meter" so be forwarned and forarmed...;^)
>> >
>> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
>> can adjust our sails.
>> >
>> > 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
>> (Lady in Red)
>> >
>> > --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Herb Parsons
>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!
>> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 11:42 PM
>> >
>> > Actually, I think it's a combination of multiple
>> issues. Let's face it,
>> > if the educational lobby concentrated as hard on
>> issues like the one you
>> > just mentioned as they do on increasing funding,
>> increasing the size of
>> > their bureaucracy, protecting incompetent
>> "educators", etc., those
>> > laws
>> > likely would never have been passed.
>> >
>> > At the same time, if we as parents, were more involved
>> in the
>> > educational process of our children, most of us would
>> be surprised at
>> > exactly what we can do. However, in the relative
>> vaccumn of parental
>> > involvement, the bureaucracies have thrived like a
>> fungus, and we've
>> > ended up where we are now.
>> >
>> > As Brad alluded to, that's one of the reasons we
>> see people making the
>> > sacrifices they make to keep their kids in private
>> schools where there
>> > the bureaucratic mess is mitigated. And I'm not
>> talking about the
>> > wealthy, who put their kids in private school without
>> thought or effort.
>> > I'm talking about the working class Joe that makes
>> real sacrifices
>> > because they've been scared off by the mess that
>> public school has become.
>> >
>> >
>> > elle wrote:
>> >
>> >> Read the papers, Herb.
>> >>
>> >> Educators haven't 'turned over'
>> discipline; it has been ripped
>> >>
>> > out of their control by laws and regulations and
>> lawsuits.
>> >
>> >> Don't tax yourself by making this too hard;
>> just concentrate on
>> >>
>> > looking up the laws regulating the disciplining of
>> special ed students.
>> >
>> >> You might want to add in the students on probation
>> who are sent back to
>> >>
>> > school by naive judges.
>> >
>> >> That's a fun mix to have in the classroom: a
>> kid who knows you
>> >>
>> > can't do anything to him & a kid who
>> doesn't care what is done to
>> > him.
>> >
>> >> Oh..add a few who don't speak English.....
>> >>
>> >> Great atmosphere for readin' &
>> writin'.
>> >>
>> >> elle
>> >>
>> >> We can't change the angle of the wind....but
>> we can adjust our sails.
>> >>
>> >> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06
>> "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Herb Parsons
>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> From: Herb Parsons
>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!
>> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> >>>
>> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >
>> >>> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:42 PM
>> >>> Isn't it amazing how much educators have
>> turned over
>> >>> discipline to
>> >>> "professionals" so they can
>> "concentrate on
>> >>> educating"; yet the overall
>> >>> education level is declining?
>> >>>
>> >>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Herb,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It all reminds me of an incident that
>> happened about
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> two weeks ago
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> (and a similar incident 2 decades ago when
>> my older
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> boys were
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> youngsters).  One of Fan's friends, a
>> Filipino
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> lady who husband was
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> making rounds as Doc on a Saturday
>> morning, made the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> mistake of
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> leaving her five year-old with me for the
>> morning so
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> they could go
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> shopping.  I couldn't wait for their
>> car to hit
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> the end of the
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> driveway.  When they returned, Momma
>> Filipino asked me
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> how "little
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> shithead" and I got along.  "Oh,
>> just fine,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> he's a sweet kid".  I'm
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> assuming he was still too scared to tell
>> mom how I
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> picked him up by
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> his britches (therefore scrunching what
>> little nuts he
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> had) to have a
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> 'mano-a-mano' talk at eye level.
>> These
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> gutless wonders who call cops
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> for silly shit they should handle real
>> time not only
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> amaze me, but
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> piss me off.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And you wonder why people work two jobs to
>> send their
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> kids to a
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> private school where they can be kicked
>> out in a
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> heartbeat?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Brad
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Herb
>> Parsons
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I read that one too, and was all
>> prepared to be
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>> outraged as well;
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> however, I think this is a case of
>> creating
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>> "attention grabbing
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> headlines". I suspect that the
>> kid turning
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>> off the computers of those
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> around him during the computer class
>> was the real
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>> disruption that got
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> him in trouble. If you isolate the
>> two, it makes
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>> it pretty apparent.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> If he was ONLY turning off computers
>> during
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>> computer class, would he
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> have been disciplined - most likely
>> >>>>> If he was ONLY "passing
>> wind" during
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>> class, would have been disciplined
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> - probably not
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If the last one was the case though,
>> THEN it would
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>> have made for a
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> really interesting story. Right up
>> there with the
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>> ones about 5 year olds
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> being disciplined for "sexual
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>> harrassment" for kissing girls.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> Now THAT was an art form when I was a
>> kid :)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Good thing they finally busted
>> this kid.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>> Imagine, if you let this
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> kind of thing go on he'd
>> eventually end of
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>> Governor of some state
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> ignoring the slaughter of
>> Thanksgiving
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>> turkeys. In my family, "passing
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> gas" was considered an art
>> form and
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>> I've always been a competitive
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> person.  Thank goodness my school
>> teachers had
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>> a sense of humor - at
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> least I'd like to think they
>> did.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Brad
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>
>> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1121083gas1.html
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>>>>
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