[Rhodes22-list] Herb's Response
Steven Alm
stevenalm at gmail.com
Tue Nov 25 01:58:20 EST 2008
Herb,
You keep bringing this up I suppose out of some kind of indignation. As a
Christian, I don't blame you. You have every right to your religious
beliefs--I just don't adhere to them myself and I see religious extremism as
a threat to our civilization. Not that I think you, yourself are an
extremist per se (and I don't know you're not) but extremism in general, no
matter what religion, will bring nothing but conflict. I remember hearing
an interview with Hamid Karzai who was asked, "If you could say something to
Osama Bin Laden, what would you say?" His answer was, "I would tell him
he's not a Muslim." He's wrong. Osama IS a Muslim. An extreme Muslim.
Extremism is the enemy.
You talked about transubstantiation. Many Christian denominations believe
in that or something close. Or they believe in some kind of representation
of that but it's all the same anyway--it's ritualized cannibalism. No
thanks! From that, all the way back to the talking snake, to me, it sounds
like a myth. I'm not buyin' it. It's just too kooky.
As for the other stuff you mentioned--Karma--what goes around comes
around--I wouldn't argue with that although I don't think that's a hard and
fast rule. Reincarnation--I doubt it. Ghosts--no opinion. Don't need
one. The existence of God? The invisible man in the sky who knows when you
are sleeping and knows when you're awake...? Merry Christmas.
You can have your beliefs, Herb, but I think it's all a myth. Religion
throughout all civilizations serve to answer three questions: Where did we
come from? How shall we live? What happens when we die?
Maybe I'm the kook but I believe in nature and I believe in love. I believe
that when you die it's "game over" so live right--it's your only chance to
be a man.
Slim
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
> I read an interesting study the other day. It asserted (and I'll openly
> say, I'll have a hard time finding it again, and even harder time
> vouching for it's veracity) that folks who claim to NOT believe in God,
> actually have more "faith based" beliefs than deists do.
>
> Beliefs in "karma", "reincarnation", "ghosts", and yes, even "global
> warming morality" beliefs.
>
> Lots of "religious kookiness" to go around.
>
> My point at the time was the hypocrisy though. The person throwing
> around "religious kooks" labels was openly willing to vote for the VP
> candidate that is a practicing member of a religion that openly teaches
> that when the priest blesses the wine and wafer, it miraculously becomes
> both the blood and body of Christ Jesus.
>
> I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I AM saying folks should be much
> more careful with their "kook" labels. Faith is a precious thing, and
> one of the foundations of the nation in which we live.
>
> There's a saying - Dance with the one what brung ya.
>
> I say we should be careful about laughing at the one that brung us.
>
>
> Brad Haslett wrote:
> > Herb,
> >
> > Well, let's be honest here - you are a "religious kook" because you
> > have religious beliefs. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just
> > that you don't belong to the church of global warming or whatever the
> > accepted church of the day is. The people who preach tolerance the
> > most are the most intolerant people I know. Racist? I'll pay a
> > hundred bucks to anyone who can trace my family tree and figure out
> > what race I am. Make it a thousand for my daughter.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Much like the political mood of the country, my moods swing different
> >> ways. While you have been reading the posts the last two months, you
> >> missed those before that. Those where, attempts at rational discussion
> >> were met with "religious kook" and "racist" and, one of my all time
> >> favorites "democrats are the thinkers and debaters, republicans are the
> >> just believers". Attempts at rational discussion were one-sided. I would
> >> ask what made one a religious kook, and was just met with additional
> >> abuse. I would ask how my view made me racist, and simply be met with
> >> more abuse. Eventually, I decided to agree with Elle's (as of that time
> >> unvoiced opinion) that sometimes the "c" works.
> >>
> >> But, I'll play nicely. I'll always play at least as nice, and may even
> >> go the extra step for a while.
> >>
> >>
> >> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
> >>
> >>> Herb,
> >>>
> >>> I understand and I agree with you. I did not mean to suggest that you
> >>> were being irrational. But you got the point because you said:
> >>>
> >>> "It may be 'stooping to the same level', it may be unnecessary, it may
> (and
> >>> probably does) escalate things, but it's not irrational. Countering a
> >>> personal attack with another one is not only rational, it can often be
> >>> instructional. And, it's a very good release mechanism."
> >>>
> >>> Therefore, what I meant to suggest is that as smart a person as you
> >>> obviously are, I believe you could find a way to instructionally
> counter
> >>> what you perceive to be a personal attack without stooping to the same
> >>> level or escalating things while still satisfying your release
> mechanism.
> >>> I've read all of your posts over the last two months. I know you have
> the
> >>> intellect and the capability. The only question is whether you have
> the
> >>> desire. Why not give it a try? I don't see any downside.
> >>>
> >>> Paul
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Actually, I worded that deliberately. If someone chooses to take a
> >>>> person's view, and attack them personally for their view, that attack
> >>>> may or may not be "rational". Here's examples:
> >>>>
> >>>> John Doe says "Historically, more white collar crimes are committed by
> >>>> white people". Responding to that by saying "John, you're a racist"
> >>>> would be irrational. The view does not fit the comment, because John
> is
> >>>> merely repeating a fact.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, if John Doe says "I hate all those white people", it would
> NOT
> >>>> be irrational to say "John, you're a racist", since his his view is a
> >>>> racist view.
> >>>>
> >>>> At the same time, a personal "counter attack" is NOT irrational. It
> may
> >>>> be "stooping to the same level", it may be unnecessary, it may (and
> >>>> probably does) escalate things, but it's not irrational. Countering a
> >>>> personal attack with another one is not only rational, it can often be
> >>>> instructional. And, it's a very good release mechanism.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would say that those that are offended by such things would be well
> >>>> served not to BEGIN them. I will also so, you are the exception to the
> >>>> rule on here, and frankly, one of the few I've seen that really has a
> >>>> reason to complain.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Herb,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you are a rational person (and I think you are), why wouldn't you
> >>>>> always repond rationally regardless of what the other person does or
> >>>>> says?
> >>>>> Are you saying in a way that you are more than willing to stoop to
> >>>>> someone else's level? If so, I think you are demeaning yourself.
> >>>>> Perhaps
> >>>>> that's why some of these things sometimes spin out of control. Stay
> >>>>> above
> >>>>> the fray. You're better than that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Paul
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Apology accepted with one small note. If you were to go back and
> look
> >>>>>> closer at my previous emails, I believe you'd see little change in
> what
> >>>>>> I'm "doing of late". I respond to rational discussions rationally. I
> >>>>>> respond to irrational ones in a way I feel appropriate.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You are right, Hank. When I reviewed the exchange,
> >>>>>>> it was clear that I misunderstood Hank's message.
> >>>>>>> I went over the line, and owe Herb an apology.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Herb, of late you have been easier to take, and
> >>>>>>> your message was rational. I am in the wrong.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> /Robert
> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> Hank wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Robert,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have to call foul on this one. Herb came back with a reasonable
> >>>>>>>> response
> >>>>>>>> to your email, did not attack you, was calm and cool, and then you
> >>>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>> huffy
> >>>>>>>> and complain? You have just lost any credibility or right to
> bitch
> >>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>> anyone else's posts.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hank
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Robert Skinner
> >>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> OK, you got the last word - a lot of last words...
> >>>>>>>>> You win. I have no further desire to talk to you.
> >>>>>>>>> Satisfied?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> /Robert
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Mandate? I wasn't talking about a mandate, I was talking about
> >>>>>>>>>> Palin
> >>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>> fading off into the sunset.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big believer in the "mandate" stuff. A politician is
> >>>>>>>>>> elected.
> >>>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter if he's elected by a 1% margin, or a 90%
> margin,
> >>>>>>>>>> he's
> >>>>>>>>>> elected, and he needs to start fulfilling the promises and
> >>>>>>>>>> commitments
> >>>>>>>>>> he made to those that elected him. If Obama can do that, I'll be
> >>>>>>>>>> surprised. I don't think he can, nor do I think he will. That's
> why
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>> not particularly upset by the results.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> He made a lot of overt commitments that I don't think he will be
> >>>>>>>>>> able
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> keep, and that's not even considering all the "implied"
> promises.
> >>>>>>>>>> He
> >>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>> elected on a campaign of "let's take it away from the minority
> and
> >>>>>>>>>> give
> >>>>>>>>>> it to the majority", and LOTS of people are expecting more than
> he
> >>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>> be able to deliver. Don't pooh pooh those accounts of people
> >>>>>>>>>> reporting
> >>>>>>>>>> about how happy they are that he's going to take care of their
> gas
> >>>>>>>>>> bill
> >>>>>>>>>> and their mortgages.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Then add to that the possible disaster that I see looming in
> >>>>>>>>>> Iraq/Afghanistan. There's no doubt that the "implied promise"
> was
> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> he will get us out of Iraq, and begin fighting in Afghanistan
> and
> >>>>>>>>>> deliver up Bin Laden.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If he pulls out of Iraq fast enough to suit his left wing
> >>>>>>>>>> followers,
> >>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>> will make Vietnam look like a policy masterpiece. We will
> literally
> >>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>> pulling snatching victory away. If Iraq then falls into a mess
> like
> >>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>> happened in Vietnam, shame shame shame (I had a typo there that
> I
> >>>>>>>>>> corrected, but it still fits - same shame shame).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Then, we go into Afghanistan, and have the same resounding
> >>>>>>>>>> "success"
> >>>>>>>>>> enjoyed by the Russians. I don't believe we have the stomach as
> a
> >>>>>>>>>> nation
> >>>>>>>>>> to fight a man to man ground war that is required in the
> mountains
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan. If we won't let our military succeed in Iraq, we
> >>>>>>>>>> surely
> >>>>>>>>>> will not in Afghanistan.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And, do you REALLY think he's going to deliver up Bin Laden?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I suspect we're going to be hearing a LOT of "We may not succeed
> in
> >>>>>>>>>> one
> >>>>>>>>>> term..."
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I hope though, that people have a good memory. I know I did when
> I
> >>>>>>>>>> didn't vote for "read my lips" President Bush '41.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> As I said, no mandate needed. He just needs to start doing what
> he
> >>>>>>>>>> promised to do. I think the next two years are going to be
> >>>>>>>>>> interesting.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I hope that the voters
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> When it comes to mandates, he has done
> >>>>>>>>>>> a lot better than his predecessor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> There are undeniable advantages to verbal
> >>>>>>>>>>> skills when communicating -- a talent
> >>>>>>>>>>> conspicuous in its absence in Bush.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As to Reagan, at least he could string a
> >>>>>>>>>>> few words together without tripping on
> >>>>>>>>>>> his tongue -- that was my point. It
> >>>>>>>>>>> served him well in negotiations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
> >>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You DO understand the difference between an orator, and
> someone
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> oratory skills. Surely you're not saying that after hearing
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's
> >>>>>>>>>>>> speech to the RNC that she had NO oratory skills?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How does having (or not having) an oratory ability reflect a
> lack
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (or
> >>>>>>>>>>>> existence) of anti-intellectual attitudes?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Robert, your guy won the election, but he did not
> receive a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> mandate for the rest of the world to blindly become like him
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> he
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> represents.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Again, you used Reagan as an example, but you seem to overlook
> >>>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "deep thinkers" and intellectual community were saying about
> him
> >>>>>>>>>>>> back
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> then.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> For all of Carter's deep thinking and oratory abilities, he
> let a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> group
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of "students" hold us hostage for over a year. My personal
> result
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> our
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> actions during that disgraceful period were in a large part
> >>>>>>>>>>>> responsible
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for 9-11.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Take those radicals, who we were TOTALLY unsuccessful in
> dealing
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and multiply them by 10 fold. THAT is what the orator and deep
> >>>>>>>>>>>> thinker
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is going to deal with. That's OK though, because he's already
> >>>>>>>>>>>> made
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> clear that he's willing to sit down with any of them and
> "talk".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We'll see what the oratory and talk gets us.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, I think that a person who has some oratory
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> skills will be a help in negotiations with the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> international community. They do not have the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-intellectual attitude that has been anything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> but an asset as we interact with the world's best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> brains.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robtert (and others like him) are looking at Palin from the
> far
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> left
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> view. They're somehow under the illusion that we WANT an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "orator"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "deep thinker". It's funny the two he compared her
> (negatively)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regan, who the Democrats lambasted much the same way they
> did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (remember when he talked about Star Wars defense, and they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> started
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> derisively calling him Ray-Gun?), and President Jimmy
> Carter.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Carter!!!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, a great orator, a great guy in general, a good
> Christian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> man,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> and a
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke of a President. If that's what oratory ability and deep
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets us, give me the common man (or woman) instead!!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it seems you've bought into the MSM meme and haven't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own homework. I suggest you do your own due diligence on
> Gov.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Palin's
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very real accomplishments before you let other people do
> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> thinking
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you. Unlike Obama's long string of failures in
> Chicago,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to real successes. Frankly, I'm not impressed by a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harvard
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degree in law or anything else. For the sake of the
> country,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a successful Obama Presidency. As for me and my
> family,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "we're
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded for bear". How anyone can believe that a leader
> with a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mediocre track record following failed economic themes can
> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successful is beyond me. No one will be more happily
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all works out OK than myself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Robert Skinner
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly, she is no "Great Communicator."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will never see "Bedtime for Palin."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor, I suspect, will we hear about a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carteresque "lusting in the heart."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, Brad.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But is too early to expect that Bambizilla
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will retire from the political scene. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect that the GOP spinsters will find
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some way to use her, perhaps as a contrast,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a straw woman, to a real Republican orator
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or deep thinker to spark up the 2012 campaign.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But for the next two years, I hope, we can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get working on the nation's business. We can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope that Obama can calm the fears and tame
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the chaos of an economy headed for the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumpster. We will also see if he can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extricate us gracefully from Iraq and succeed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in bringing down the terrorist franchises.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoping,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy;
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cute.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And now....before she fades into the sunset, some final
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sarah
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> relevance to me
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that were kind of the people succumbing to the dictators
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> corruption
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of some collapsed governments on the continent, the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevance
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Alaska's
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollars"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, she concluded, "never, ever did I talk about, well,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gee,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> it a
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country or a continent, I just don't know about this
> issue."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know, I know... her heart is in the right place (and so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> few other
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Hard Feelings...to the democrats
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The election day is over,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The talking is done.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My party lost, your party won.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So let us be friends,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let arguments pass.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll hug my elephant,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You kiss your ass.
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