[Rhodes22-list] Robert's response - non sailing, religious, etc., now political too

[Tootle]

Robert,

Robert said, "As to what belief governs my actions - that is my problem, no
one else's."  You become our  problem when your actions, beliefs, limit,
impinge or denigrate our freedoms.

Consider, "Free speech is a priceless and indispensable attribute of a free
society because it is a necessary means for deliberating upon public policy. 
But this deliberation does not extend to everything."  Free speech is not
false when it denies the use of that liberty to those intent on destroying
the free society. Harry Jaffa

Harry is still around, lives in California.  Write him and ask his opinion.

Embracing another economic political systems diminishes others freedoms.

Ed K
Addendum:
"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the
arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to
foreign governments must be reduced, if the nation doesn't want to go
bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public
assistance." Cicero 55 BC


hparsons wrote:
> 
> And Robert,
> 
> What constitutes "telling them what to believe". If you, or someone 
> else, tells me my beliefs are myths, or are kooky, or extreme, or 
> whatever, are you imposing YOUR beliefs system on me?
> 
> 
> Robert Skinner wrote:
>> Perhaps, Ed, we all have to find our own answers -
>> or live with the idea that there are none that
>> are provable to our own satisfaction.
>>
>> The trouble, as I see it, and as I suspect Slim
>> sees it, comes when anyone - repeat, ANYONE -
>> becomes so absolutely certain that they have THE
>> answers that they feel that they have the right
>> to impose their way of belief on someone else, -
>> perhaps even to the point of killing them to
>> save? their souls?.
>>
>> I say that everyone has the right to go to Hell
>> in their own way.  In the mean time, they have
>> no right to tell me what to believe.
>>
>> As to what belief governs my actions - that is
>> my problem, no one else's.
>>
>> /Robert
>>
>> Tootle wrote:
>>   
>>> Slim said, "Religion throughout all civilizations serve to answer three
>>> questions:  Where did we
>>> come from?  How shall we live?  What happens when we die?"
>>>
>>> Captain Alm, without religion where are humans supposed to get
>>> guidelines on
>>> the middle question you pose?  
>>>
>>> Are they supposed to get them from the Marxist indoctrination proffered
>>> by
>>> Mr. Bill Ayers?
>>>
>>> You forgot to delineate a suggested answer to your question.
>>>
>>> Consider that some religions have a couple of thousand years of
>>> experience,
>>> trial and error, see what works with humans to answer that question. 
>>> Whereas, Marxism has a little over 100 years of experience with most of
>>> its
>>> demonstrations disasters.  And disasters should be capitalized as having
>>> been unmitigated disasters.  Which system has raised the overall
>>> standard of
>>> living in the world the most?  The answer is not a Marxist based system
>>> which our new President represents.
>>>
>>> A capitalist system based on freedom with a sheriff enforcing standards
>>> of
>>> honesty has helped mankind the most.  Rather than compulsory taking from
>>> those who make the most efforts to achieve and giving to those who need,
>>> it
>>> loosely achieves results by rewarding effort.  Those who achieve drag
>>> the
>>> dregs and unable up by raising the overall standard of living.  
>>>
>>> When you compel those who achieve or are able to achieve to maintain
>>> those
>>> who want the same standard of living without the toil, it is a real
>>> disincentive to the toil needed to achieve.
>>>
>>> This is illustrated by Ronald Reagan’s story of the Red Hen.  This was
>>> demonstrated in human terms in the old Soviet Union during the 1930’s
>>> with
>>> the event of history the Ukrainians call the “Holodomor (Ukrainian:
>>> Голодомор)”  See some information about the results of government
>>> compulsion:
>>>
>>> http://www.ukrainiangenocide.com/
>>>
>>> http://www.infoukes.com/history/famine/
>>>
>>> Understand that Marxism or socialism has as central purpose to replace
>>> the
>>> human belief in God.  Remember Whittaker Chambers, a former Communists
>>> Party
>>> member who admonished, “The revolutionary heart of Marxism is a simple
>>> conviction: It is necessary to change the world.  This conviction is the
>>> “vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the
>>> world. It is the vision of man's liberated mind, by the sole force of
>>> its
>>> rational intelligence, redirecting man's destiny and reorganizing man's
>>> life
>>> and the world.”
>>>
>>> So you really think that you are smarter than all those who came before
>>> you?
>>>
>>> Ed K
>>> Addendum:
>>> Red Hen 
>>>
>>> A modern day little red hen may not sound like or appear to be a
>>> quotable
>>> authority on economics but then some authorities aren't worth quoting. 
>>>
>>> About a year ago I imposed a little poetry on you. It was called "The
>>> Incredible Bread Machine" and made a lot of sense with reference to
>>> matters
>>> economic. You didn't object too much so having gotten away with it once
>>> I'm
>>> going to try again. This is a little treatise on basic economics called
>>> "The
>>> Modern little Red Hen." 
>>>
>>> Once upon a time there was a little red hen who scratched about the
>>> barnyard
>>> until she uncovered some grains of wheat. She called her neighbors and
>>> said
>>> 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me
>>> plant
>>> it?' 
>>>
>>> "Not I, " said the cow. 
>>>
>>> "Not I," said the duck. 
>>>
>>> "Not I," said the pig. 
>>>
>>> "Not I," said the goose. 
>>>
>>> "Then I will," said the little red hen. And she did. The wheat grew tall
>>> and
>>> ripened into golden grain. "Who will help me reap my wheat?" asked the
>>> little red hen. 
>>>
>>> "Not I," said the duck. 
>>>
>>> "Out of my classification," said the pig. 
>>>
>>> "I'd lose my seniority," said the cow. 
>>>
>>> "I'd lose my unemployment compensation," said the goose. 
>>>
>>> "Then I will," said the little red hen, and she did. 
>>>
>>> At last the time came to bake the bread. "Who will help me bake bread?"
>>> asked the little red hen. 
>>>
>>> "That would be overtime for me," said the cow. 
>>>
>>> "I'd lose my welfare benefits," said the duck. 
>>>
>>> "I'm a dropout and never learned how," said the pig. 
>>>
>>> "If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination," said the goose. 
>>>
>>> "Then I will," said the little red hen. 
>>>
>>> She baked five loaves and held them up for the neighbors to see. 
>>>
>>> They all wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red
>>> hen
>>> said, "No, I can eat the five loaves myself." 
>>>
>>> "Excess profits," cried the cow. 
>>>
>>> "Capitalist leech," screamed the duck. 
>>>
>>> "I demand equal rights," yelled the goose. 
>>>
>>> And the pig just grunted. 
>>>
>>> And they painted "unfair" picket signs and marched round and around the
>>> little red hen shouting obscenities. 
>>>
>>> When the government agent came, he said to the little red hen, "You must
>>> not
>>> be greedy." 
>>>
>>> "But I earned the bread," said the little red hen. 
>>>
>>> "Exactly," said the agent. "That's the wonderful free enterprise system.
>>> Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our
>>> modern
>>> government regulations productive workers must divide their products
>>> with
>>> the idle." 
>>>
>>> And they lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who
>>> smiled
>>> and clucked, "I am grateful, I am grateful." But her neighbors wondered
>>> why
>>> she never again baked any more bread.
>>>
>>> From Ronald Reagan...  Reagan In His Own Voice (Audio book/download) ^ |
>>> November 1976 | Ronald Reagan 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     
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