[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL-Palin Begins 2012 Campaign
Brad Haslett
flybrad at gmail.com
Wed Nov 26 12:49:42 EST 2008
Dave,
Someone got fooled here. This small businessman/professional didn't
like one single thing Obama had to say about what his plans were. Now
it seems his plans are to stick with what's worked in the past. I
think the cocky bounce went out of his step after the first security
briefing and his first meeting with President Bush. This election may
be a watershed moment in campaign honesty and fund raising methods.
That said, unlike the rabid opposition to W, Obama IS MY PRESIDENT and
I wish him success! There will be another day and another place for a
fight. Godspeed Barry and 'Don't Forget Your Raisins'
Brad.
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:24 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Brad, I think you missed the point. I was simply saying that a
> significant majority of +$250K voters voted for Obama. That's a fact.
> I can't remember the number but it was a pretty healthy margin. That
> statisitc is driven by the "bulk" of people you cite. The "with their
> heads" part was of course my own editorial comment. Have you ever
> made an editorial comment on this list?
>
> The "far left" is doing some rumbling from the fringes - that's ok
> with me. The "change" thing was vs. the last 8 years as I heard it -
> I've got no problem pulling in a team that has a mixture of
> experienced people from a successful administration (personal
> failiures of the leader notwithstanding) and some newcomers and a
> range of liberal-to-moderate thinking. Seems to me he's reflecting
> the wishes of the voters that put him in office pretty well. His
> actions to date appear to me to be well thought through and decisive,
> balanced, and smart.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> "That group on average voted with their heads".
>>
>> Now you're starting to blow smoke up your own ass. What is the
>> "average" for the $250K+ crowd? Every income group is part of a
>> pyramid. No one looks down the pyramid, always up. The $250K+ group
>> you speak of are composed of some "super-rich" but the bulk of the
>> $250K+ are small businessmen and professionals and some who inherited
>> wealth. The super-rich and inherited wealth types are reliably
>> liberal. The bulk of those who earned their income (most highly
>> successful small businessmen) are not.
>>
>> It doesn't matter who voted for whom or for what reason. Obama was/is
>> a blank slate and no one is quite sure what they just got. The far
>> left is pretty sure they just got hosed. Conservatives are starting
>> to think this guy is more worried about 2010 and 2012 and like most
>> incoming POTUS's, is reluctant to vary too far too fast from the
>> previous administration.
>>
>> The Hopey, Changy thing is dying pretty quickly based on cabinet
>> appointments. As in all things, your mileage may vary.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:13 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Brad, a couple of things to consider... first, if there are 38% of
>>> people who don't pay taxes and about 39% of people who are eligible to
>>> vote and don't, don't you think there is a huge overlap of those two
>>> groups? Obama didn't just need 13% more to win. He won because he
>>> carried the moderate middle.
>>>
>>> Second, people vote their pocketbook? Obama pulled a stronger
>>> majority out of the +$250K income group than he did out of middle
>>> income groups. That group on average voted with their heads.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Rummy,
>>>>
>>>> In the final analysis, people vote their pocket book. The financial
>>>> meltdown doomed McCain. When you have 38% of the voting population who
>>>> don't pay federal income taxes, you only need 13% more to win. That's
>>>> a tough hurdle to overcome. The Rust Belt will still be blue in four
>>>> years - those jobs are gone and they're not coming back. The Peoples
>>>> Republic of California and her sister states Oregon and Washington are
>>>> probably a lost cause for the GOP for some time. I would have bet
>>>> good money that McCain would win enough of the Jewish vote in Florida
>>>> to win there, instead, that vote went to Obama 4% higher than Kerry.
>>>> Remember 1994. Obama is moving cautiously because he has to, good for
>>>> him. But, remember 1994. A lot can happen in two years.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:14 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> Brad,
>>>>> It has nothing to do about liking or disliking a person. It has to do with
>>>>> qualifications. In spite of her wonderful accomplishments in her very rural,
>>>>> oil supported state, she is not qualified to be president. Personally I was
>>>>> undecided who to vote for when I entered the polling place. My last second
>>>>> decision to vote for Obama was made because of John McCains health issues and his
>>>>> poor choice of a running mate. Had he made a better choice, he might have
>>>>> been the president elect at this time.
>>>>> Right now I am very comfortable with my decision.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 11/26/2008 7:08:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Rummy,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was still typing when you posted - see above. It may be a long
>>>>> wait. Remember, it was two decades between JFK and Ronald Reagan.
>>>>> Palin will be around in some form for a long time. If she chooses to
>>>>> run for a second term as Guv she'll win easily or a US Senate seat in
>>>>> two years. You obviously don't like her, that's fine. I seriously
>>>>> doubt you've done your homework on what she's accomplished in Alaska,
>>>>> including blowing-up her own party to weed out the bad guys. We need
>>>>> more people like Palin who follow-up on their talk with action instead
>>>>> of bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:59 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>> Get real. If Sarah Palin is the best that the Republican party has to offer
>>>>>> for running this country, then they need to get ready for a long wait
>>>>> before
>>>>>> another Republican will enter the white house.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 11/25/2008 8:52:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rummy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry to burst your bubble but that is not going to happen. Despite
>>>>>> what the pundits write, McCain would have lost by 10 points without
>>>>>> Palin. There are still a few of us left who believe in ourselves and
>>>>>> not some some 'gubment' program as our path to happiness and
>>>>>> prosperity. Will Palin make it to the Whitehouse? Maybe, maybe not.
>>>>>> Unlike "The One" where people project their hopes on a blank slate,
>>>>>> Sarah Palin has a real record of accomplishments. Get use to is Rummy,
>>>>>> Sarah has always written her own ticket and she's not losing sleep
>>>>>> about your bitching. Come to think of it, neither am I.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:42 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>> Nobody is worried about Palin, we would just appreciate it if she would
>>>>> go
>>>>>>> home.....and stay there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/25/2008 7:34:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>>> flybrad at yahoo.com writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sooner or later, people will figure out that Sarah Palin is the "real
>>>>>> deal".
>>>>>>> She didn't make fools out of Big Oil CEO's by being stupid despite the
>>>>>>> howls of derision against her by you and your ilk. When the patina of
>>>>>>> "sacredness" has worn off The One, people will be hungry for someone of
>>>>>> substance.
>>>>>>> Laugh your ass off while you can. The press and the 'leftards' wouldn't
>>>>>> pay so
>>>>>>> much attention to Palin if they weren't worried about her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL-Palin Begins 2012 Campaign
>>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 6:04 PM
>>>>>>>> November 25, 2008, 3:11 pm NYTimes Online
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Southern Exposure
>>>>>>>> By Tobin Harshaw
>>>>>>>> Well, for those of you who thought Sarah Palin would
>>>>>>>> quietly go North to the
>>>>>>>> Future, it appears that instead she's going Deep South:
>>>>>>>> "Republican vice
>>>>>>>> presidential nominee Sarah Palin will make multiple
>>>>>>>> campaign appearances on
>>>>>>>> behalf of Sen. Saxby Chambliss next week in Georgia,
>>>>>>>> serving as the
>>>>>>>> political closer for the GOP senator who is battling to win
>>>>>>>> a second term,"
>>>>>>>> reports CNN.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "This is Palin's first campaign appearance on behalf of
>>>>>>>> another Republican
>>>>>>>> candidate since losing her bid to become the nation's
>>>>>>>> first woman to serve
>>>>>>>> as vice president. Palin will attend a fundraiser on Sunday
>>>>>>>> night, then
>>>>>>>> appear at multiple campaign stops on Monday in an effort to
>>>>>>>> rally the GOP
>>>>>>>> base to turn out to vote for Chambliss. The incumbent
>>>>>>>> Republican is facing a
>>>>>>>> strong challenge from Democrat Jim Martin. A runoff is
>>>>>>>> scheduled for next
>>>>>>>> Tuesday, after neither candidate received the 50 percent
>>>>>>>> plus one vote
>>>>>>>> needed to win on Election Day."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doug Mataconis at Donklephant considers the strategy:
>>>>>>>> "The biggest challenge
>>>>>>>> that both Chambliss and Martin face in the run-off election
>>>>>>>> is getting their
>>>>>>>> voters to turn out to the polls, since it's unlikely that
>>>>>>>> voter turnout will
>>>>>>>> be anywhere near the level it reached on November 4th. To
>>>>>>>> the extent that
>>>>>>>> she's able to motivate the base to get out and vote,
>>>>>>>> Palin could prove
>>>>>>>> useful to Chambliss."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dr. Steven Taylor at Poliblog thinks this may be more about
>>>>>>>> Palin than
>>>>>>>> Chambliss. "First, the move is further evidence of
>>>>>>>> Palin's likely long-term
>>>>>>>> ambitions," he writes. "Second, the move means that
>>>>>>>> Chambliss thinks that
>>>>>>>> Palin plays well with the GOP base in a red state like
>>>>>>>> Georgia … Certainly
>>>>>>>> if Chambliss wins, the trip will be perceived as evidence
>>>>>>>> that Palin is a
>>>>>>>> serious actor within the GOP going forward, at least within
>>>>>>>> GOP circles."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Palin or no Palin, Ed Morrissey at Hot Air is cautiously
>>>>>>>> optimistic about
>>>>>>>> the G.O.P. chances:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Voter enthusiasm for Martin has declined since the general
>>>>>>>> election. Martin
>>>>>>>> got his momentum from the massive numbers of Obama voters,
>>>>>>>> most of whom
>>>>>>>> appear less interested in the remaining down-ticket race.
>>>>>>>> Chambliss may not
>>>>>>>> have that problem, since John McCain didn't generate an
>>>>>>>> enthusiastic
>>>>>>>> response from the Republican base, meaning that
>>>>>>>> Chambliss' voters will be
>>>>>>>> motivated more by Chambliss himself. Republicans have the
>>>>>>>> secondary
>>>>>>>> motivation to deny Obama a filibuster-proof Senate by
>>>>>>>> ensuring Chambliss'
>>>>>>>> re-election.
>>>>>>>> Either way, it looks like it will go down to the wire.
>>>>>>>> Republicans around
>>>>>>>> the country who want to keep at least one potential check
>>>>>>>> on the excesses of
>>>>>>>> single-party government had better start actively
>>>>>>>> supporting the Chambliss
>>>>>>>> effort."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can't make this stuff up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Happy Thanksgiving;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben C.
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