[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL-Palin Begins 2012 Campaign
Brad Haslett
flybrad at gmail.com
Sun Nov 30 05:41:25 EST 2008
Andrew,
Yes, thank you for reminding me that somewhere along the way I passed
into "old fart" status and there wasn't even so much as a moment of
silence, much less a celebration. This indeed was an election about
"change" and that has been my point all along - what change are you
getting? The Obama in the Fall campaign was a very different Obama
from the Spring campaign. The post-election Obama is yet another
"change". Obama in private was different than Obama in public. The
candidate himself said early in the campaign that he was a blank slate
that people projected their hope and values on, and he proved himself
a political genius. He is indeed IMHO a more astute politician than
Bill Clinton - one of the best. It was a well run campaign and with
the help of a compliant press, few supporters delved too deeply into a
life long pattern of politically expedient "changes" and relationships
that were quickly tossed aside when they were no longer useful. For
some, that is perceived as useful pragmatism, and for others, the
reaction is "what the hell are you talking about?" Maybe the
difference is whether one is an "old fart" or not.
I remain cautiously optimistic that the pragmatic and political genius
side of our new President will move rapidly to the center (where most
of the country is politically) and so far he appears to be doing so.
Bush 43 will leave office with about the same approval ratings as
Harry Truman, and as time passes, the 44th President will continue
the previous administration's policies out of necessity (particularly
Homeland Security policies). History will treat W kindly in the long
run, especially if a stable and democratic Iraq proves to be the
positive long-term change agent in the Middle East. I can't defend his
pattern of careless freespending on dubious domestic programs, but in
a cynical fashion, he may have limited further growth of fiscal
recklessness by maxing out the nation's credit card.
As to Palin, she will remain a strong voice of many among
Conservatives and Libertarians. We're a beleaguered group these days
with a GOP that pays us lip service and a nation with a large voting
bloc of youth that has no experience or memory of previously tried
and failed policies. We've been down this road before - 1964 comes to
mind. As the old Clinton theme song used to say, "Don't Stop Thinking
About Tomorrow", or at least 2010.
Brad
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Andrew Collins
<sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Brad
>
> In this small business, all 9 of us, 1 owner and 8 employees voted for O-B
> and very much against Mooseolini. All 9 of us considered McCain to be an
> intelligent and viable candidate until he made a cynical and fateful choice.
> STOP! Let me finish: the other 8 come from locations, and political and
> social milieus that could not be more different or more far-flung. Despite
> that, they seemed to agree that it was time for a change. These are facts on
> the ground. I wanted to touch on a point I menttiioned her before to you,
> which you gave an answer to that did not reflect where the reasoning was
> going:
>
> Obama was voted in by a demographic that does not really know who Reagan
> was, has no clear memories of the Clinton Regnum, and if they were to meet
> the esteemed members of 'da list', I very much fear they would consider us
> all 'old farts'. I don't appreciate this, but it is for me, at least,
> another fact on the ground, take it or leave it.
>
> What cocky step? Obama is a person who reasons, and calculates, which is
> more effective and vastly more dangerous than being cocky. Who could that be
> the antithesis of?
>
> Robert and Dave have clearly stated how we got here.
>
> As to campaign finance reform, it is indeed a Utilitarian water-shed.
> Welcome to the future.
>
> On another note, we (the whole family- Mom, Dad, 3 kids) spent the holiday
> in Washington DC and spent lots of time on civics lessons, the election and
> the institutions that make up our government. It was quite wonderfully
> inspirational - we will, as a nation, once again show ourselves and the
> world that we can inspire and lead 'using the power of our example, not the
> example of our power'.
>
> Andrew
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Someone got fooled here. This small businessman/professional didn't
>> like one single thing Obama had to say about what his plans were. Now
>> it seems his plans are to stick with what's worked in the past. I
>> think the cocky bounce went out of his step after the first security
>> briefing and his first meeting with President Bush. This election may
>> be a watershed moment in campaign honesty and fund raising methods.
>> That said, unlike the rabid opposition to W, Obama IS MY PRESIDENT and
>> I wish him success! There will be another day and another place for a
>> fight. Godspeed Barry and 'Don't Forget Your Raisins'
>>
>> Brad.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:24 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Brad, I think you missed the point. I was simply saying that a
>> > significant majority of +$250K voters voted for Obama. That's a fact.
>> > I can't remember the number but it was a pretty healthy margin. That
>> > statisitc is driven by the "bulk" of people you cite. The "with their
>> > heads" part was of course my own editorial comment. Have you ever
>> > made an editorial comment on this list?
>> >
>> > The "far left" is doing some rumbling from the fringes - that's ok
>> > with me. The "change" thing was vs. the last 8 years as I heard it -
>> > I've got no problem pulling in a team that has a mixture of
>> > experienced people from a successful administration (personal
>> > failiures of the leader notwithstanding) and some newcomers and a
>> > range of liberal-to-moderate thinking. Seems to me he's reflecting
>> > the wishes of the voters that put him in office pretty well. His
>> > actions to date appear to me to be well thought through and decisive,
>> > balanced, and smart.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Dave,
>> >>
>> >> "That group on average voted with their heads".
>> >>
>> >> Now you're starting to blow smoke up your own ass. What is the
>> >> "average" for the $250K+ crowd? Every income group is part of a
>> >> pyramid. No one looks down the pyramid, always up. The $250K+ group
>> >> you speak of are composed of some "super-rich" but the bulk of the
>> >> $250K+ are small businessmen and professionals and some who inherited
>> >> wealth. The super-rich and inherited wealth types are reliably
>> >> liberal. The bulk of those who earned their income (most highly
>> >> successful small businessmen) are not.
>> >>
>> >> It doesn't matter who voted for whom or for what reason. Obama was/is
>> >> a blank slate and no one is quite sure what they just got. The far
>> >> left is pretty sure they just got hosed. Conservatives are starting
>> >> to think this guy is more worried about 2010 and 2012 and like most
>> >> incoming POTUS's, is reluctant to vary too far too fast from the
>> >> previous administration.
>> >>
>> >> The Hopey, Changy thing is dying pretty quickly based on cabinet
>> >> appointments. As in all things, your mileage may vary.
>> >>
>> >> Brad
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:13 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> Brad, a couple of things to consider... first, if there are 38% of
>> >>> people who don't pay taxes and about 39% of people who are eligible to
>> >>> vote and don't, don't you think there is a huge overlap of those two
>> >>> groups? Obama didn't just need 13% more to win. He won because he
>> >>> carried the moderate middle.
>> >>>
>> >>> Second, people vote their pocketbook? Obama pulled a stronger
>> >>> majority out of the +$250K income group than he did out of middle
>> >>> income groups. That group on average voted with their heads.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> Rummy,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the final analysis, people vote their pocket book. The financial
>> >>>> meltdown doomed McCain. When you have 38% of the voting population who
>> >>>> don't pay federal income taxes, you only need 13% more to win. That's
>> >>>> a tough hurdle to overcome. The Rust Belt will still be blue in four
>> >>>> years - those jobs are gone and they're not coming back. The Peoples
>> >>>> Republic of California and her sister states Oregon and Washington are
>> >>>> probably a lost cause for the GOP for some time. I would have bet
>> >>>> good money that McCain would win enough of the Jewish vote in Florida
>> >>>> to win there, instead, that vote went to Obama 4% higher than Kerry.
>> >>>> Remember 1994. Obama is moving cautiously because he has to, good for
>> >>>> him. But, remember 1994. A lot can happen in two years.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Brad
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:14 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> Brad,
>> >>>>> It has nothing to do about liking or disliking a person. It has to do
>> with
>> >>>>> qualifications. In spite of her wonderful accomplishments in her very
>> rural,
>> >>>>> oil supported state, she is not qualified to be president.
>> Personally I was
>> >>>>> undecided who to vote for when I entered the polling place. My last
>> second
>> >>>>> decision to vote for Obama was made because of John McCains health
>> issues and his
>> >>>>> poor choice of a running mate. Had he made a better choice, he might
>> have
>> >>>>> been the president elect at this time.
>> >>>>> Right now I am very comfortable with my decision.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Rummy
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> In a message dated 11/26/2008 7:08:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >>>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Rummy,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I was still typing when you posted - see above. It may be a long
>> >>>>> wait. Remember, it was two decades between JFK and Ronald Reagan.
>> >>>>> Palin will be around in some form for a long time. If she chooses to
>> >>>>> run for a second term as Guv she'll win easily or a US Senate seat
>> in
>> >>>>> two years. You obviously don't like her, that's fine. I seriously
>> >>>>> doubt you've done your homework on what she's accomplished in
>> Alaska,
>> >>>>> including blowing-up her own party to weed out the bad guys. We
>> need
>> >>>>> more people like Palin who follow-up on their talk with action
>> instead
>> >>>>> of bullshit.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Brad
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:59 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Brad,
>> >>>>>> Get real. If Sarah Palin is the best that the Republican party has
>> to offer
>> >>>>>> for running this country, then they need to get ready for a long
>> wait
>> >>>>> before
>> >>>>>> another Republican will enter the white house.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Rummy
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> In a message dated 11/25/2008 8:52:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >>>>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Rummy,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Sorry to burst your bubble but that is not going to happen.
>> Despite
>> >>>>>> what the pundits write, McCain would have lost by 10 points
>> without
>> >>>>>> Palin. There are still a few of us left who believe in ourselves
>> and
>> >>>>>> not some some 'gubment' program as our path to happiness and
>> >>>>>> prosperity. Will Palin make it to the Whitehouse? Maybe, maybe
>> not.
>> >>>>>> Unlike "The One" where people project their hopes on a blank
>> slate,
>> >>>>>> Sarah Palin has a real record of accomplishments. Get use to is
>> Rummy,
>> >>>>>> Sarah has always written her own ticket and she's not losing sleep
>> >>>>>> about your bitching. Come to think of it, neither am I.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Brad
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:42 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Brad,
>> >>>>>>> Nobody is worried about Palin, we would just appreciate it if she
>> would
>> >>>>> go
>> >>>>>>> home.....and stay there.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Rummy
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> In a message dated 11/25/2008 7:34:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >>>>>>> flybrad at yahoo.com writes:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Ben,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Sooner or later, people will figure out that Sarah Palin is the
>> "real
>> >>>>>> deal".
>> >>>>>>> She didn't make fools out of Big Oil CEO's by being stupid
>> despite the
>> >>>>>>> howls of derision against her by you and your ilk. When the
>> patina of
>> >>>>>>> "sacredness" has worn off The One, people will be hungry for
>> someone of
>> >>>>>> substance.
>> >>>>>>> Laugh your ass off while you can. The press and the 'leftards'
>> wouldn't
>> >>>>>> pay so
>> >>>>>>> much attention to Palin if they weren't worried about her.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Brad
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> From: Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL-Palin Begins 2012 Campaign
>> >>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 6:04 PM
>> >>>>>>>> November 25, 2008, 3:11 pm NYTimes Online
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> "Southern Exposure
>> >>>>>>>> By Tobin Harshaw
>> >>>>>>>> Well, for those of you who thought Sarah Palin would
>> >>>>>>>> quietly go North to the
>> >>>>>>>> Future, it appears that instead she's going Deep South:
>> >>>>>>>> "Republican vice
>> >>>>>>>> presidential nominee Sarah Palin will make multiple
>> >>>>>>>> campaign appearances on
>> >>>>>>>> behalf of Sen. Saxby Chambliss next week in Georgia,
>> >>>>>>>> serving as the
>> >>>>>>>> political closer for the GOP senator who is battling to win
>> >>>>>>>> a second term,"
>> >>>>>>>> reports CNN.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> "This is Palin's first campaign appearance on behalf of
>> >>>>>>>> another Republican
>> >>>>>>>> candidate since losing her bid to become the nation's
>> >>>>>>>> first woman to serve
>> >>>>>>>> as vice president. Palin will attend a fundraiser on Sunday
>> >>>>>>>> night, then
>> >>>>>>>> appear at multiple campaign stops on Monday in an effort to
>> >>>>>>>> rally the GOP
>> >>>>>>>> base to turn out to vote for Chambliss. The incumbent
>> >>>>>>>> Republican is facing a
>> >>>>>>>> strong challenge from Democrat Jim Martin. A runoff is
>> >>>>>>>> scheduled for next
>> >>>>>>>> Tuesday, after neither candidate received the 50 percent
>> >>>>>>>> plus one vote
>> >>>>>>>> needed to win on Election Day."
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Doug Mataconis at Donklephant considers the strategy:
>> >>>>>>>> "The biggest challenge
>> >>>>>>>> that both Chambliss and Martin face in the run-off election
>> >>>>>>>> is getting their
>> >>>>>>>> voters to turn out to the polls, since it's unlikely that
>> >>>>>>>> voter turnout will
>> >>>>>>>> be anywhere near the level it reached on November 4th. To
>> >>>>>>>> the extent that
>> >>>>>>>> she's able to motivate the base to get out and vote,
>> >>>>>>>> Palin could prove
>> >>>>>>>> useful to Chambliss."
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Dr. Steven Taylor at Poliblog thinks this may be more about
>> >>>>>>>> Palin than
>> >>>>>>>> Chambliss. "First, the move is further evidence of
>> >>>>>>>> Palin's likely long-term
>> >>>>>>>> ambitions," he writes. "Second, the move means that
>> >>>>>>>> Chambliss thinks that
>> >>>>>>>> Palin plays well with the GOP base in a red state like
>> >>>>>>>> Georgia … Certainly
>> >>>>>>>> if Chambliss wins, the trip will be perceived as evidence
>> >>>>>>>> that Palin is a
>> >>>>>>>> serious actor within the GOP going forward, at least within
>> >>>>>>>> GOP circles."
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Palin or no Palin, Ed Morrissey at Hot Air is cautiously
>> >>>>>>>> optimistic about
>> >>>>>>>> the G.O.P. chances:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Voter enthusiasm for Martin has declined since the general
>> >>>>>>>> election. Martin
>> >>>>>>>> got his momentum from the massive numbers of Obama voters,
>> >>>>>>>> most of whom
>> >>>>>>>> appear less interested in the remaining down-ticket race.
>> >>>>>>>> Chambliss may not
>> >>>>>>>> have that problem, since John McCain didn't generate an
>> >>>>>>>> enthusiastic
>> >>>>>>>> response from the Republican base, meaning that
>> >>>>>>>> Chambliss' voters will be
>> >>>>>>>> motivated more by Chambliss himself. Republicans have the
>> >>>>>>>> secondary
>> >>>>>>>> motivation to deny Obama a filibuster-proof Senate by
>> >>>>>>>> ensuring Chambliss'
>> >>>>>>>> re-election.
>> >>>>>>>> Either way, it looks like it will go down to the wire.
>> >>>>>>>> Republicans around
>> >>>>>>>> the country who want to keep at least one potential check
>> >>>>>>>> on the excesses of
>> >>>>>>>> single-party government had better start actively
>> >>>>>>>> supporting the Chambliss
>> >>>>>>>> effort."
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> We can't make this stuff up.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Happy Thanksgiving;
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Ben C.
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> http://www.nabble.com/POLITICAL-Palin-Begins-2012-Campaign-tp20692288p20692288.html
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