[Rhodes22-list] Politics - How Much for the White House?

Herb Parsons hparsons at parsonsys.com
Thu Oct 2 13:08:13 EDT 2008 

If Rezko IS willing to talk, and what he has to say is what folks think 
it is, and he has a decent lawyer, I'd say watch out for mid-October. If 
I were his lawyer, I'd be holding my hand until the pot grows bigger, 
which it will come mid-October.


Brad Haslett wrote:
> Herb,
>
> What we are witnessing is the "Chicago Way" writ large upon the
> nation.  The MSM is disappointing in their cooperation but their
> business model is failing anyway.  Watch Ohio.  As we speak,
> motor/voter registration is taking place and homeless people are being
> rounded-up, fed, taken to the polls, and the Sec. of State won't allow
> poll observers. The threatening letters to broadcast stations is a
> fact.  The threats to 527's is a fact.  The Missouri intimidation
> program is a fact.  The hacking of sites is a fact.  Pete wants to
> argue about illegal donations because no MSM has covered it, like they
> would.  Pam Geller publishes the actual FEC documents on her website.
> A 6th grader can look at the records and smell a rat.
>
> The question here is, is Obama's campaign able to cover their turds?
> Nixon couldn't in 1972.  But then again, Nixon lost Illinois to
> Chicago dead people in 1960.  Some things never change.
> Unless............Rezko wants out of jail.
>
> Brad
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>   
>> Wow Pete, I'd say that was a pretty astute observation of yourself, if
>> you change the words around a bit.
>>
>>
>> petelargo wrote:
>>     
>>> no. from my observation on this forum; if it supports your viewpoints it is
>>> credible journalism, if it does not support your views it is MSM nonsense.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Pete,
>>>>
>>>> Pamela Geller, an independent blogger at Atlas Shrugs has been doing
>>>> the heavy lifting on this with help from volunteers.  It takes
>>>> thousands of man hours to pour through FEC filings and the MSM  isn't
>>>> interested in the story.  Remember the Dan Rather fabrication?  It was
>>>> an independent blogger who busted him.  So you think if something is
>>>> published by Newsmax it's automatically false but if the NYT's
>>>> publishes it it's automatically true? Or, if the MSM doesn't
>>>> investigate something there's no story there?
>>>>
>>>> Scary.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:18 AM, petelargo <petelauritzen at earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> newsmax has been cited just in the last 6 months for two completely
>>>>> fabricated and embellished articles.  in other words, as you put it, pure
>>>>> puff...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Pete,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Age old debating trick, if you can't attack the message, attack the
>>>>>> messenger.  The MSM, especially the NYT's, is in the tank for O.
>>>>>> Obama's record as a legislator is puff, nothing there to examine.  His
>>>>>> record as a reformer? Nothing there either, it hasn't happened.  He's
>>>>>> been a get-along, go-along, I see nothing Chicago Machine politician.
>>>>>> Some of us who have spent time up close and personal with powerful
>>>>>> people understand they are humans. They fart and belch, they pick
>>>>>> their nose when no one's looking, they say g-damnit when they stub
>>>>>> their toe. They are not divine!  Obama has a long documented record of
>>>>>> turning a blind eye to dirty money.  You think he gives a rat's ass
>>>>>> where this money is coming from?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the long run, none of this probably matters.  What Rezko has to say
>>>>>> to Fitzgerald over the course of the next 30 days is probably what
>>>>>> matters, and he's tired of jail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:05 AM, petelargo <petelauritzen at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> newsmax? really? you can't find a more reputable source like maybe the
>>>>>>> KKK
>>>>>>> gazette. I guess we can put this in the obama is a secret muslim-obama
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> secret communist-obama is a secret terrorist-obama eats the white
>>>>>>> filling
>>>>>>> out of oreos nonsense. more yawn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> Isn't this special?  All this time some of us were focusing on the
>>>>>>>> Rezko type big donors (and their ties to the Middle East) but it turns
>>>>>>>> out it is the "little guys" we should be concentrating on.  No wonder
>>>>>>>> he turned down public financing. Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Monday, September 29, 2008 9:23 PM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By: Kenneth R. Timmerman      Article Font Size
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More than half of the whopping $426.9 million Barack Obama has raised
>>>>>>>> has come from small donors whose names the Obama campaign won't
>>>>>>>> disclose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And questions have arisen about millions more in foreign donations the
>>>>>>>> Obama campaign has received that apparently have not been vetted as
>>>>>>>> legitimate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obama has raised nearly twice that of John McCain's campaign,
>>>>>>>> according to new campaign finance report.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But because of Obama's high expenses during the hotly contested
>>>>>>>> Democratic primary season and an early decision to forgo public
>>>>>>>> campaign money and the spending limits it imposes, all that cash has
>>>>>>>> not translated into a financial advantage — at least, not yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee began
>>>>>>>> September with $95 million in cash, according to reports filed with
>>>>>>>> the Federal Election Commission (FEC).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The McCain camp and the Republican National Committee had $94 million,
>>>>>>>> because of an influx of $84 million in public money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But Obama easily could outpace McCain by $50 million to $100 million
>>>>>>>> or more in new donations before Election Day, thanks to a legion of
>>>>>>>> small contributors whose names and addresses have been kept secret.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unlike the McCain campaign, which has made its complete donor database
>>>>>>>> available online, the Obama campaign has not identified donors for
>>>>>>>> nearly half the amount he has raised, according to the Center for
>>>>>>>> Responsive Politics (CRP).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Federal law does not require the campaigns to identify donors who give
>>>>>>>> less than $200 during the election cycle. However, it does require
>>>>>>>> that campaigns calculate running totals for each donor and report them
>>>>>>>> once they go beyond the $200 mark.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Surprisingly, the great majority of Obama donors never break the $200
>>>>>>>> threshold.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Contributions that come under $200 aggregated per person are not
>>>>>>>> listed," said Bob Biersack, a spokesman for the FEC. "They don't
>>>>>>>> appear anywhere, so there's no way of knowing who they are."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FEC breakdown of the Obama campaign has identified a staggering
>>>>>>>> $222.7 million as coming from contributions of $200 or less. Only
>>>>>>>> $39.6 million of that amount comes from donors the Obama campaign has
>>>>>>>> identified.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is the largest pool of unidentified money that has ever flooded
>>>>>>>> into the U.S. election system, before or after the McCain-Feingold
>>>>>>>> campaign finance reforms of 2002.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Biersack would not comment on whether the FEC was investigating the
>>>>>>>> huge amount of cash that has come into Obama's coffers with no public
>>>>>>>> reporting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But Massie Ritsch, a spokesman for CRP, a campaign-finance watchdog
>>>>>>>> group, dismissed the scale of the unreported money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "We feel comfortable that it isn't the $20 donations that are
>>>>>>>> corrupting a campaign," he told Newsmax.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But those small donations have added up to more than $200 million, all
>>>>>>>> of it from unknown and unreported donors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ritsch acknowledges that there is skepticism about all the unreported
>>>>>>>> money, especially in the Obama campaign coffers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "We and seven other watchdog groups asked both campaigns for more
>>>>>>>> information on small donors," he said. "The Obama campaign never
>>>>>>>> responded," whereas the McCain campaign "makes all its donor
>>>>>>>> information, including the small donors, available online."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The rise of the Internet as a campaign funding tool raises new
>>>>>>>> questions about the adequacy of FEC requirements on disclosure. In
>>>>>>>> pre-Internet fundraising, almost all political donations, even small
>>>>>>>> ones, were made by bank check, leaving a paper trail and limiting the
>>>>>>>> amount of fraud.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But credit cards used to make donations on the Internet have allowed
>>>>>>>> for far more abuse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "While FEC practice is to do a post-election review of all
>>>>>>>> presidential campaigns, given their sluggish metabolism, results can
>>>>>>>> take three or four years," said Ken Boehm, the chairman of the
>>>>>>>> conservative National Legal and Policy Center.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Already, the FEC has noted unusual patterns in Obama campaign
>>>>>>>> donations among donors who have been disclosed because they have gone
>>>>>>>> beyond the $200 minimum.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FEC and Mr. Doodad Pro
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When FEC auditors have questions about contributions, they send
>>>>>>>> letters to the campaign's finance committee requesting additional
>>>>>>>> information, such as the complete address or employment status of the
>>>>>>>> donor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many of the FEC letters that Newsmax reviewed instructed the Obama
>>>>>>>> campaign to "redesignate" contributions in excess of the finance
>>>>>>>> limits.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Under campaign finance laws, an individual can donate $2,300 to a
>>>>>>>> candidate for federal office in both the primary and general election,
>>>>>>>> for a total of $4,600. If a donor has topped the limit in the primary,
>>>>>>>> the campaign can "redesignate" the contribution to the general
>>>>>>>> election on its books.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a letter dated June 25, 2008, the FEC asked the Obama campaign to
>>>>>>>> verify a series of $25 donations from a contributor identified as
>>>>>>>> "Will, Good" from Austin, Texas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mr. Good Will listed his employer as "Loving" and his profession as
>>>>>>>> "You."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Newsmax analysis of the 1.4 million individual contributions in the
>>>>>>>> latest master file for the Obama campaign discovered 1,000 separate
>>>>>>>> entries for Mr. Good Will, most of them for $25.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In total, Mr. Good Will gave $17,375.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Following this and subsequent FEC requests, campaign records show that
>>>>>>>> 330 contributions from Mr. Good Will were credited back to a credit
>>>>>>>> card. But the most recent report, filed on Sept. 20, showed a net
>>>>>>>> cumulative balance of $8,950 — still well over the $4,600 limit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There can be no doubt that the Obama campaign noticed these
>>>>>>>> contributions, since Obama's Sept. 20 report specified that Good
>>>>>>>> Will's cumulative contributions since the beginning of the campaign
>>>>>>>> were $9,375.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In an e-mailed response to a query from Newsmax, Obama campaign
>>>>>>>> spokesman Ben LaBolt pledged that the campaign would return the
>>>>>>>> donations. But given the slowness with which the campaign has
>>>>>>>> responded to earlier FEC queries, there's no guarantee that the money
>>>>>>>> will be returned before the Nov. 4 election.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Similarly, a donor identified as "Pro, Doodad," from "Nando, NY," gave
>>>>>>>> $19,500 in 786 separate donations, most of them for $25. For most of
>>>>>>>> these donations, Mr. Doodad Pro listed his employer as "Loving" and
>>>>>>>> his profession as "You," just as Good Will had done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But in some of them, he didn't even go this far, apparently picking
>>>>>>>> letters at random to fill in the blanks on the credit card donation
>>>>>>>> form. In these cases, he said he was employed by "VCX" and that his
>>>>>>>> profession was "VCVC."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Following FEC requests, the Obama campaign began refunding money to
>>>>>>>> Doodad Pro in February 2008. In all, about $8,425 was charged back to
>>>>>>>> a credit card. But that still left a net total of $11,165 as of Sept.
>>>>>>>> 20, way over the individual limit of $4,600.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here again, LaBolt pledged that the contributions would be returned
>>>>>>>> but gave no date.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In February, after just 93 donations, Doodad Pro had already gone over
>>>>>>>> the $2,300 limit for the primary. He was over the $4,600 limit for the
>>>>>>>> general election one month later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In response to FEC complaints, the Obama campaign began refunding
>>>>>>>> money to Doodad Pro even before he reached these limits. But his
>>>>>>>> credit card was the gift that kept on giving. His most recent
>>>>>>>> un-refunded contributions were on July 7, when he made 14 separate
>>>>>>>> donations, apparently by credit card, of $25 each.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just as with Mr. Good Will, there can be no doubt that the Obama
>>>>>>>> campaign noticed the contributions, since its Sept. 20 report
>>>>>>>> specified that Doodad's cumulative contributions since the beginning
>>>>>>>> of the campaign were $10,965.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Foreign Donations
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And then there are the overseas donations — at least, the ones that we
>>>>>>>> know about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FEC has compiled a separate database of potentially questionable
>>>>>>>> overseas donations that contains more than 11,500 contributions
>>>>>>>> totaling $33.8 million. More than 520 listed their "state" as "IR,"
>>>>>>>> often an abbreviation for Iran. Another 63 listed it as "UK," the
>>>>>>>> United Kingdom.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More than 1,400 of the overseas entries clearly were U.S. diplomats or
>>>>>>>> military personnel, who gave an APO address overseas. Their total
>>>>>>>> contributions came to just $201,680.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But others came from places as far afield as Abu Dhabi, Addis Ababa,
>>>>>>>> Beijing, Fallujah, Florence, Italy, and a wide selection of towns and
>>>>>>>> cities in France.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Until recently, the Obama Web site allowed a contributor to select the
>>>>>>>> country where he resided from the entire membership of the United
>>>>>>>> Nations, including such friendly places as North Korea and the Islamic
>>>>>>>> Republic of Iran.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unlike McCain's or Sen. Hillary Clinton's online donation pages, the
>>>>>>>> Obama site did not ask for proof of citizenship until just recently.
>>>>>>>> Clinton's presidential campaign required U.S. citizens living abroad
>>>>>>>> to actually fax a copy of their passport before a donation would be
>>>>>>>> accepted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With such lax vetting of foreign contributions, the Obama campaign may
>>>>>>>> have indirectly contributed to questionable fundraising by foreigners.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In July and August, the head of the Nigeria's stock market held a
>>>>>>>> series of pro-Obama fundraisers in Lagos, Nigeria's largest city. The
>>>>>>>> events attracted local Nigerian business owners.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At one event, a table for eight at one fundraising dinner went for
>>>>>>>> $16,800. Nigerian press reports claimed sponsors raked in an estimated
>>>>>>>> $900,000.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The sponsors said the fundraisers were held to help Nigerians attend
>>>>>>>> the Democratic convention in Denver. But the Nigerian press expressed
>>>>>>>> skepticism of that claim, and the Nigerian public anti-fraud
>>>>>>>> commission is now investigating the matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Concerns about foreign fundraising have been raised by other anecdotal
>>>>>>>> accounts of illegal activities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In June, Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi gave a public speech praising
>>>>>>>> Obama, claiming foreign nationals were donating to his campaign.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded
>>>>>>>> this man," the Libyan leader said. "They welcomed him and prayed for
>>>>>>>> him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in
>>>>>>>> legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American
>>>>>>>> presidency..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Though Gadhafi asserted that fundraising from Arab and African nations
>>>>>>>> were "legitimate," the fact is that U.S. federal law bans any
>>>>>>>> foreigner from donating to a U.S. election campaign.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The rise of the Internet and use of credit cards have made it easier
>>>>>>>> for foreign nationals to donate to American campaigns, especially if
>>>>>>>> they claim their donation is less than $200.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Campaign spokesman LaBolt cited several measures that the campaign has
>>>>>>>> adopted to "root out fraud," including a requirement that anyone
>>>>>>>> attending an Obama fundraising event overseas present a valid U.S.
>>>>>>>> passport, and a new requirement that overseas contributors must
>>>>>>>> provide a passport number when donating online.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One new measure that might not appear obvious at first could be
>>>>>>>> frustrating to foreigners wanting to buy campaign paraphernalia such
>>>>>>>> as T-shirts or bumper stickers through the online store.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In response to an investigation conducted by blogger Pamela Geller,
>>>>>>>> who runs the blog Atlas Shrugs, the Obama campaign has locked down the
>>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Geller first revealed on July 31 that donors from the Gaza strip had
>>>>>>>> contributed $33,000 to the Obama campaign through bulk purchases of
>>>>>>>> T-shirts they had shipped to Gaza.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The online campaign store allows buyers to complete their purchases by
>>>>>>>> making an additional donation to the Obama campaign.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A pair of Palestinian brothers named Hosam and Monir Edwan contributed
>>>>>>>> more than $31,300 to the Obama campaign in October and November 2007,
>>>>>>>> FEC records show.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Their largesse attracted the attention of the FEC almost immediately.
>>>>>>>> In an April 15, 2008, report that examined the Obama campaign's
>>>>>>>> year-end figures for 2007, the FEC asked that some of these
>>>>>>>> contributions be reassigned.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Obama camp complied sluggishly, prompting a more detailed
>>>>>>>> admonishment form the FEC on July 30.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Edwan brothers listed their address as "GA," as in Georgia,
>>>>>>>> although they entered "Gaza" or "Rafah Refugee camp" as their city of
>>>>>>>> residence on most of the online contribution forms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> According to the Obama campaign, they wrongly identified themselves as
>>>>>>>> U.S. citizens, via a voluntary check-off box at the time the donations
>>>>>>>> were made.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many of the Edwan brothers' contributions have been purged from the
>>>>>>>> FEC database, but they still can be found in archived versions
>>>>>>>> available for CRP and other watchdog groups.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The latest Obama campaign filing shows that $891.11 still has not been
>>>>>>>> refunded to the Edwan brothers, despite repeated FEC warnings and
>>>>>>>> campaign claims that all the money was refunded in December.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Newsmax review of the Obama campaign finance filings found that the
>>>>>>>> FEC had asked for the redesignation or refund of 53,828 donations,
>>>>>>>> totaling just under $30 million.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But none involves the donors who never appear in the Obama campaign
>>>>>>>> reports, which the CRP estimates at nearly half the $426.8 million the
>>>>>>>> Obama campaign has raised to date.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many of the small donors participated in online "matching" programs,
>>>>>>>> which allows them to hook up with other Obama supporters and
>>>>>>>> eventually share e-mail addresses and blogs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Obama Web site described the matching contribution program as
>>>>>>>> similar to a public radio fundraising drive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Our goal is to bring 50,000 new donors into our movement by Friday at
>>>>>>>> midnight," campaign manager David Plouffe e-mailed supporters on Sept.
>>>>>>>> 15. "And if you make your first online donation today, your gift will
>>>>>>>> go twice as far. A previous donor has promised to match every dollar
>>>>>>>> you donate."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FEC spokesman Biersack said he was unfamiliar with the matching
>>>>>>>> donation drive. But he said that if donations from another donor were
>>>>>>>> going to be reassigned to a new donor, as the campaign suggested, "the
>>>>>>>> two people must agree" to do so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This type of matching drive probably would be legal as long as the
>>>>>>>> matching donor had not exceeded the $2,300 per-election limit, he
>>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obama campaign spokesman LaBolt said, "We have more than 2.5 million
>>>>>>>> donors overall, hundreds of thousands of which have participated in
>>>>>>>> this program."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Until now, the names of those donors and where they live have remained
>>>>>>>> anonymous — and the federal watchdog agency in charge of ensuring that
>>>>>>>> the presidential campaigns play by the same rules has no tools to find
>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (c) 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.
>>>>>>>>
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