[Rhodes22-list] USAttorneygate & the chickens & the Bush haters

Thu Oct 2 16:40:43 EDT 2008

Ed,

That's about the story.  There was no more war at the end of Bush's
obligation and things were loose and friendly.  During the build-up to
Gulf War 1, the reserves started having weekend drills that were "no
shit boys, no more weekend warrior stuff, we're ginning-up for war". I
was all civilian but got issued a DOD card and started moving material
into position under the CRAF program.  I had more than one tearful
goodbye in the employee parking lot with 30'ish fighter types who
didn't want to leave their families and comfortable jobs behind, but
went and met their obligations and fought well.  I knew some doctors
and dentists who were still indentured to the 'service' for their
education who did the same.  This concept that Guard service is
something less than active duty is just plain wrong.

There were some funny "young bull, old bull" type stories that came
out of the returning veterans.  The "old bulls" did us proud.

Brad

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>
> Bill:
>
> I agree with Ben that Fitzgerald probably is not the source.  However, Rezko
> defence team may leak information or paperwork in the Rezko trial may give
> clues.  Of course Fitzgerald would try to pressure Rezko to tell more, that
> is his job.
>
> Ben:
>
> You said Bush did not complete his obligation.  I was a reserve on active
> duty.  There were decisions made to offer early outs regardless of your job.
> Even pilots were offered releases from duty if you even came close to the
> minimum and wanted out.  In addition once you had an exit date, you were in
> sort of limbo.  Only if we went to war again would your status change.  They
> did not really want pilots with exit dates flying because it used aircraft
> and time that they wanted for the guys staying.
>
> I was in no hurry and was surprised by Air Force Regulars getting out before
> me.  I would suggest that Bush met the minimums and just had to call in once
> in while to a desk sargent to tell them he was calling in.  Often those call
> ins were not logged.  Often the sargent had no idea who was calling in.  We
> were originally all volunteers and no longer needed.  The faster we were
> gone, the happier they were.
>
> Then we were assigned to an inactive reserve to complete any remain
> obligation time.  You were required to do nothing more than give them any
> change of addresses.  The Bush haters are trying to make something out of
> nothing.  Learn to accept that the Air Force is more casual than the Navy.
> Especially the reserve and National Guard components.
>
> Ask Brad how long it would take a pilot who flew an airplane over two years
> and then did not fly for several month qualified again.  One check ride.
> But the case of the F-102 is agrivated where there were very few good
> aircraft.
>
> They canabalized so many F-102's that they did not have enough for one ready
> wing.  I have not flown in way over 20 years as pilot.  However, in an
> emergency, I bet I could still fly and make a big bump landing.
>
> I am sure if Bush backed down to a T-37 it might have taken a couple of days
> in the trainer, before the check ride.  But the attitude in the Air Force
> was save that time for the career guys and new guys.  And I believe their
> way was correct at the time, for the time.
>
> Ask your son if there is any drinking these days after ruff and tense days?
>
> As to needing to clean house, I have no problem with that, but I would like
> a more honest and American guy to do the house cleaning.  I have personally
> known some very honest politicians; and I have backed away from others.  We
> do not need Elmer Gantry.  Integrity is not Obama's selling point.  McCain's
> record indicates more honesty, maybe things I do not agree with, but he is
> no Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, etc.  Give me an honest average man over a
> smart con man anyday.
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
>>
>> Bill;
>>
>> If Fitzgerald is talking about an ongoing investigation of Obama I sure
>> haven't heard about it.  Federal proaecutors are not supposed to talk
>> about such pending investigations and there are serious ethical
>> considerations at stake if they do so.  I think your sources ate
>> speculating about what Fitzgerald is doing.  As for beneficiaries of ill
>> gotten gains being guilty of anything they have to know the they are
>> benefiting from illegal money.  Lots of politicians have returned money
>> later shown to have been from improper sources.
>>
>> I have a lot of respect for  Fitzgerald and find it hard to believe he
>> would jeopardize both successful prosecution of a matter or his career by
>> speaking out of school. I will check it out though.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>> Bill Effros wrote:
>>>
>>> Ben,
>>>
>>> Can you tell me where I can find Obama stating that Patrick Fitzgerald
>>> will not be asked to resign?
>>>
>>> Mr. Rezko complained to his trial judge that Mr. Fitzgerald was
>>> pressuring him to implicate Mr. Obama.  The judge released the letter
>>> after the trial.  Mr. Obama is also named as a recipient of money
>>> extorted on his behalf by Mr. Rezko in the indictment of Mr. Rezko.  In
>>> a proffer Mr. Fitzgerald stated that anyone who benefits from Mr.
>>> Rezko's crimes was as guilty as the person who was convicted, and this
>>> has been the theme of the prosecution, going from one defendant to the
>>> next.
>>>
>>> People who says Mr. Fitzgerald is not investigating Mr. Obama don't know
>>> what they are talking about--Mr. Fitzgerald has been quite plain about
>>> the fact that he IS investigating Mr. Obama.  The FBI has released both
>>> photographs and tapes implicating Obama in the Rezko "schemes".  Mr.
>>> Fitzgerald sought and obtained permission to involve Mr. Obama in the
>>> Rezko trial, but didn't need to do so because Mr. Rezko chose not to
>>> defend himself on these matters.
>>>
>>> Several other witness who have pled guilty and been convicted of these
>>> crimes have stated that Mr. Obama is involved, and that they are
>>> prepared to testify against him.  Obama's name came out on numerous
>>> occasions during the trial, and most of the guilty parties had direct
>>> illegal dealings with Mr. Obama, and are prepared to so testify.
>>>
>>> Most of this information has been reported in Main Stream Media, and the
>>> rest is available on Mr. Fitzgerald's Web Site.  Follow the links to
>>> "Operation Board Games".
>>>
>>> Mr. Rezko appealed to Karl Rove to have Mr. Fitzpatrick fired.  Rezko
>>> was so sure he would succeed, he told other witnesses to lie to the FBI
>>> to cover his and Mr. Obama's involvement.
>>>
>>> Talk about chickens coming home to roost!
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>> Bill & Rob & Ed;
>>>>
>>>> Sen Obama has already said several times, in response to questions from
>>>> various reporters that Patrick Fitzgerald's job is safe.  I must say
>>>> here
>>>> that I has been my understanding that the targets of Mr Fitzgeralds
>>>> inquiries have been Mr Rezko, and people other than Obama himself. He's
>>>> very
>>>> discreet, any anybody who says they are sure he's looking at Obama (or
>>>> not)
>>>> doesn't know what they're talking about.
>>>>
>>>> Bill's concern is well founded though.  I was in law school when Nixon
>>>> fired
>>>> AG Richardson, then Dep AG Ruckelshaus for not firing Special Prosecutor
>>>> Cox
>>>> (Robert Bork ultimately did it).  In response Nixon gave the famous "I
>>>> am
>>>> not a crook" speech, and the move to impeachment became unstoppable.
>>>>
>>>> As to Ed's point, I've said it as many different ways as I know how.  If
>>>> Monica Goodling made hiring decisions at DOJ for non-political jobs
>>>> based
>>>> upon political affiliation or perceived political loyalty she broke the
>>>> law.
>>>> THAT'S WHY SHE RESIGNED IN DISGRACE. Remember?
>>>>
>>>> And if the 9 US Attorney's were fired FOR ILLEGAL REASONS like not
>>>> bringing
>>>> trumped up charges against politcal opponents of a particular US
>>>> Senator,
>>>> then that's illegal and that's why AG Mukasey had no choice but to
>>>> appoint a
>>>> special prosecutor.  He's done it, because not to do it would be an
>>>> obvious
>>>> malfeasence; but he has given the Special Prosecutor an impossible 60
>>>> day
>>>> deadline to produce a report.  He's done the right thing with one hand
>>>> but
>>>> ensured failure with the other hand.  That's why we need a clean sweep,
>>>> a
>>>> new AG, and Truth, Justice and the American Way for all.  Thank
>>>> you....thank
>>>> you very much ladies and gentlemen.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Ben C.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>
>>>>> US Attorneys serve the President.  They can replace them if they choose
>>>>> to do so.  But that was not the issue in this thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> The issue here is "Chickens come home to roost" regarding the
>>>>> replacement of US Attorneys.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I ask again,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it OK for Obama to request the resignation of a well respected US
>>>>> Attorney who is currently investigating Obama?
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the perceived rules in this instance?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lowe, Rob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't it "traditional" (OK, not the right word) for all the US
>>>>>> attorneys
>>>>>> to submit their resignations at the beginning of a president's new
>>>>>> term?
>>>>>> Or is it just a new president taking office?  Regardless, why wouldn't
>>>>>> Fitzgerald submit his resignation along with the rest of the US
>>>>>> attorneys?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:15 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] USAttorneygate; the chickens come home to
>>>>>> roost
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you think Obama will handle Federal Prosecutor Patrick
>>>>>> Fitzgerald
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (also on the Bush "to be fired" list -- special prosecutor in the
>>>>>> Valerie Plame CIA leak case) who is currently investigating Barack
>>>>>> Obama?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think it is is OK for Obama to fire Fitzgerald?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad & Anybody still paying attention;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The link to a NYTimes editorial explains in precise detail how the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> firings
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> by the Bush administration of a number of federal prosecutors is a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> serious
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> matter that cried out for the appointment of a special prosecutor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> desciption of the firings being unrelated to and not he result of any
>>>>>>> performance reviews. This issue goes to the very heart of federal law
>>>>>>> enforcement, and, in my opinion, compels a change to an Obama
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which will ensure the inquiry survives after January.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/opinion/01wed1.html?hp
>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/opinion/01wed1.html?hp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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