[Rhodes22-list] USAttorneygate; the chickens come home to roost
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Thu Oct 2 18:06:22 EDT 2008
See if you can tell the difference between these two statements:
... anybody who says they are sure he's looking at Obama (or not) doesn't know what they're talking about.
and
If Fitzgerald is talking about an ongoing investigation of Obama I sure
haven't heard about it.
You do see the difference Ben, right?
Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
> Bill;
>
> If Fitzgerald is talking about an ongoing investigation of Obama I sure
> haven't heard about it. Federal proaecutors are not supposed to talk about
> such pending investigations and there are serious ethical considerations at
> stake if they do so. I think your sources ate speculating about what
> Fitzgerald is doing. As for beneficiaries of ill gotten gains being guilty
> of anything they have to know the they are benefiting from illegal money.
> Lots of politicians have returned money later shown to have been from
> improper sources.
>
> I have a lot of respect for Fitzgerald and find it hard to believe he would
> jeopardize both successful prosecution of a matter or his career by speaking
> out of school. I will check it out though.
>
> Best,
>
> Ben C.
>
> Bill Effros wrote:
>
>> Ben,
>>
>> Can you tell me where I can find Obama stating that Patrick Fitzgerald
>> will not be asked to resign?
>>
>> Mr. Rezko complained to his trial judge that Mr. Fitzgerald was
>> pressuring him to implicate Mr. Obama. The judge released the letter
>> after the trial. Mr. Obama is also named as a recipient of money
>> extorted on his behalf by Mr. Rezko in the indictment of Mr. Rezko. In
>> a proffer Mr. Fitzgerald stated that anyone who benefits from Mr.
>> Rezko's crimes was as guilty as the person who was convicted, and this
>> has been the theme of the prosecution, going from one defendant to the
>> next.
>>
>> People who says Mr. Fitzgerald is not investigating Mr. Obama don't know
>> what they are talking about--Mr. Fitzgerald has been quite plain about
>> the fact that he IS investigating Mr. Obama. The FBI has released both
>> photographs and tapes implicating Obama in the Rezko "schemes". Mr.
>> Fitzgerald sought and obtained permission to involve Mr. Obama in the
>> Rezko trial, but didn't need to do so because Mr. Rezko chose not to
>> defend himself on these matters.
>>
>> Several other witness who have pled guilty and been convicted of these
>> crimes have stated that Mr. Obama is involved, and that they are
>> prepared to testify against him. Obama's name came out on numerous
>> occasions during the trial, and most of the guilty parties had direct
>> illegal dealings with Mr. Obama, and are prepared to so testify.
>>
>> Most of this information has been reported in Main Stream Media, and the
>> rest is available on Mr. Fitzgerald's Web Site. Follow the links to
>> "Operation Board Games".
>>
>> Mr. Rezko appealed to Karl Rove to have Mr. Fitzpatrick fired. Rezko
>> was so sure he would succeed, he told other witnesses to lie to the FBI
>> to cover his and Mr. Obama's involvement.
>>
>> Talk about chickens coming home to roost!
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>>> Bill & Rob & Ed;
>>>
>>> Sen Obama has already said several times, in response to questions from
>>> various reporters that Patrick Fitzgerald's job is safe. I must say here
>>> that I has been my understanding that the targets of Mr Fitzgeralds
>>> inquiries have been Mr Rezko, and people other than Obama himself. He's
>>> very
>>> discreet, any anybody who says they are sure he's looking at Obama (or
>>> not)
>>> doesn't know what they're talking about.
>>>
>>> Bill's concern is well founded though. I was in law school when Nixon
>>> fired
>>> AG Richardson, then Dep AG Ruckelshaus for not firing Special Prosecutor
>>> Cox
>>> (Robert Bork ultimately did it). In response Nixon gave the famous "I am
>>> not a crook" speech, and the move to impeachment became unstoppable.
>>>
>>> As to Ed's point, I've said it as many different ways as I know how. If
>>> Monica Goodling made hiring decisions at DOJ for non-political jobs based
>>> upon political affiliation or perceived political loyalty she broke the
>>> law.
>>> THAT'S WHY SHE RESIGNED IN DISGRACE. Remember?
>>>
>>> And if the 9 US Attorney's were fired FOR ILLEGAL REASONS like not
>>> bringing
>>> trumped up charges against politcal opponents of a particular US Senator,
>>> then that's illegal and that's why AG Mukasey had no choice but to
>>> appoint a
>>> special prosecutor. He's done it, because not to do it would be an
>>> obvious
>>> malfeasence; but he has given the Special Prosecutor an impossible 60 day
>>> deadline to produce a report. He's done the right thing with one hand
>>> but
>>> ensured failure with the other hand. That's why we need a clean sweep, a
>>> new AG, and Truth, Justice and the American Way for all. Thank
>>> you....thank
>>> you very much ladies and gentlemen.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Ben C.
>>>
>>> Bill Effros wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rob,
>>>>
>>>> US Attorneys serve the President. They can replace them if they choose
>>>> to do so. But that was not the issue in this thread.
>>>>
>>>> The issue here is "Chickens come home to roost" regarding the
>>>> replacement of US Attorneys.
>>>>
>>>> So I ask again,
>>>>
>>>> Is it OK for Obama to request the resignation of a well respected US
>>>> Attorney who is currently investigating Obama?
>>>>
>>>> What are the perceived rules in this instance?
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lowe, Rob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Isn't it "traditional" (OK, not the right word) for all the US
>>>>> attorneys
>>>>> to submit their resignations at the beginning of a president's new
>>>>> term?
>>>>> Or is it just a new president taking office? Regardless, why wouldn't
>>>>> Fitzgerald submit his resignation along with the rest of the US
>>>>> attorneys?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:15 AM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] USAttorneygate; the chickens come home to
>>>>> roost
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben,
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you think Obama will handle Federal Prosecutor Patrick
>>>>> Fitzgerald
>>>>>
>>>>> (also on the Bush "to be fired" list -- special prosecutor in the
>>>>> Valerie Plame CIA leak case) who is currently investigating Barack
>>>>> Obama?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think it is is OK for Obama to fire Fitzgerald?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad & Anybody still paying attention;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The link to a NYTimes editorial explains in precise detail how the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> firings
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> by the Bush administration of a number of federal prosecutors is a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> serious
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> matter that cried out for the appointment of a special prosecutor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Note the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> desciption of the firings being unrelated to and not he result of any
>>>>>> performance reviews. This issue goes to the very heart of federal law
>>>>>> enforcement, and, in my opinion, compels a change to an Obama
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> administration
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> which will ensure the inquiry survives after January.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/opinion/01wed1.html?hp
>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/opinion/01wed1.html?hp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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