[Rhodes22-list] USAttorneygate; the chickens come home to roost
Benjamin Cittadino
bigben65 at earthlink.net
Thu Oct 2 19:50:58 EDT 2008
Bill;
If it were reliably proved that Obama was corrupt of course it would be a
deal breaker for me. But remember McCain has his Abramoff too.
It all reminds me of the Gubernatorial race in Louisisana in the early
ninetys. A KKK member named David Duke ran against a corrupt politician
named Edwin Edwards. There were bumper stickers that literally said, "Vote
for the Crook". Fortunately, in that race, the "crook" won.
Best,
Ben C.
Bill Effros wrote:
>
> Thanks, Ben, for following up.
>
> I can't find anything more recent. I'd love to know if he ever said
> that since March -- and if MSM ever asked him. And if not, why not.
>
> I remind you of a widely reported speech Obama made just a few weeks
> later:
>
> "Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may
> ask? Why not join another church? ... As imperfect as he may be, he has
> been like family to me...I can no more disown him than I can disown the
> black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white
> grandmother."
>
> Sounded, at the time, like a commitment he couldn't get out of, but we
> all know how that one turned out.
>
> From the court papers I have read I can't see any way Obama stays out
> of jail unless he can get rid of Fitzgerald.
>
> If I'm right, would that be a "deal-breaker" for you regarding Obama's
> candidacy?
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
> Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
>> http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/03/barack-obama-pr.html
>> http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/03/barack-obama-pr.html
>>
>>
>> Bill;
>>
>> Quick google search brought up the above on your question on where Obama
>> said he would not fire Fitzgerald. I know there are more cites. He
>> can't
>> get out of that committment it seems to me.
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>> Bill Effros wrote:
>>
>>> Ben,
>>>
>>> Can you tell me where I can find Obama stating that Patrick Fitzgerald
>>> will not be asked to resign?
>>>
>>> Mr. Rezko complained to his trial judge that Mr. Fitzgerald was
>>> pressuring him to implicate Mr. Obama. The judge released the letter
>>> after the trial. Mr. Obama is also named as a recipient of money
>>> extorted on his behalf by Mr. Rezko in the indictment of Mr. Rezko. In
>>> a proffer Mr. Fitzgerald stated that anyone who benefits from Mr.
>>> Rezko's crimes was as guilty as the person who was convicted, and this
>>> has been the theme of the prosecution, going from one defendant to the
>>> next.
>>>
>>> People who says Mr. Fitzgerald is not investigating Mr. Obama don't know
>>> what they are talking about--Mr. Fitzgerald has been quite plain about
>>> the fact that he IS investigating Mr. Obama. The FBI has released both
>>> photographs and tapes implicating Obama in the Rezko "schemes". Mr.
>>> Fitzgerald sought and obtained permission to involve Mr. Obama in the
>>> Rezko trial, but didn't need to do so because Mr. Rezko chose not to
>>> defend himself on these matters.
>>>
>>> Several other witness who have pled guilty and been convicted of these
>>> crimes have stated that Mr. Obama is involved, and that they are
>>> prepared to testify against him. Obama's name came out on numerous
>>> occasions during the trial, and most of the guilty parties had direct
>>> illegal dealings with Mr. Obama, and are prepared to so testify.
>>>
>>> Most of this information has been reported in Main Stream Media, and the
>>> rest is available on Mr. Fitzgerald's Web Site. Follow the links to
>>> "Operation Board Games".
>>>
>>> Mr. Rezko appealed to Karl Rove to have Mr. Fitzpatrick fired. Rezko
>>> was so sure he would succeed, he told other witnesses to lie to the FBI
>>> to cover his and Mr. Obama's involvement.
>>>
>>> Talk about chickens coming home to roost!
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Bill & Rob & Ed;
>>>>
>>>> Sen Obama has already said several times, in response to questions from
>>>> various reporters that Patrick Fitzgerald's job is safe. I must say
>>>> here
>>>> that I has been my understanding that the targets of Mr Fitzgeralds
>>>> inquiries have been Mr Rezko, and people other than Obama himself. He's
>>>> very
>>>> discreet, any anybody who says they are sure he's looking at Obama (or
>>>> not)
>>>> doesn't know what they're talking about.
>>>>
>>>> Bill's concern is well founded though. I was in law school when Nixon
>>>> fired
>>>> AG Richardson, then Dep AG Ruckelshaus for not firing Special
>>>> Prosecutor
>>>> Cox
>>>> (Robert Bork ultimately did it). In response Nixon gave the famous "I
>>>> am
>>>> not a crook" speech, and the move to impeachment became unstoppable.
>>>>
>>>> As to Ed's point, I've said it as many different ways as I know how.
>>>> If
>>>> Monica Goodling made hiring decisions at DOJ for non-political jobs
>>>> based
>>>> upon political affiliation or perceived political loyalty she broke the
>>>> law.
>>>> THAT'S WHY SHE RESIGNED IN DISGRACE. Remember?
>>>>
>>>> And if the 9 US Attorney's were fired FOR ILLEGAL REASONS like not
>>>> bringing
>>>> trumped up charges against politcal opponents of a particular US
>>>> Senator,
>>>> then that's illegal and that's why AG Mukasey had no choice but to
>>>> appoint a
>>>> special prosecutor. He's done it, because not to do it would be an
>>>> obvious
>>>> malfeasence; but he has given the Special Prosecutor an impossible 60
>>>> day
>>>> deadline to produce a report. He's done the right thing with one hand
>>>> but
>>>> ensured failure with the other hand. That's why we need a clean sweep,
>>>> a
>>>> new AG, and Truth, Justice and the American Way for all. Thank
>>>> you....thank
>>>> you very much ladies and gentlemen.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Ben C.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>
>>>>> US Attorneys serve the President. They can replace them if they
>>>>> choose
>>>>> to do so. But that was not the issue in this thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> The issue here is "Chickens come home to roost" regarding the
>>>>> replacement of US Attorneys.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I ask again,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it OK for Obama to request the resignation of a well respected US
>>>>> Attorney who is currently investigating Obama?
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the perceived rules in this instance?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lowe, Rob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't it "traditional" (OK, not the right word) for all the US
>>>>>> attorneys
>>>>>> to submit their resignations at the beginning of a president's new
>>>>>> term?
>>>>>> Or is it just a new president taking office? Regardless, why
>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>> Fitzgerald submit his resignation along with the rest of the US
>>>>>> attorneys?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:15 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] USAttorneygate; the chickens come home
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> roost
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you think Obama will handle Federal Prosecutor Patrick
>>>>>> Fitzgerald
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (also on the Bush "to be fired" list -- special prosecutor in the
>>>>>> Valerie Plame CIA leak case) who is currently investigating Barack
>>>>>> Obama?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think it is is OK for Obama to fire Fitzgerald?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad & Anybody still paying attention;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The link to a NYTimes editorial explains in precise detail how the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> firings
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> by the Bush administration of a number of federal prosecutors is a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> serious
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> matter that cried out for the appointment of a special prosecutor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> desciption of the firings being unrelated to and not he result of
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> performance reviews. This issue goes to the very heart of federal
>>>>>>> law
>>>>>>> enforcement, and, in my opinion, compels a change to an Obama
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which will ensure the inquiry survives after January.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/opinion/01wed1.html?hp
>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/opinion/01wed1.html?hp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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