[Rhodes22-list] Politics - How Much for the White House?

Herb Parsons hparsons at parsonsys.com
Sun Oct 5 07:52:11 EDT 2008 

Brad,

Didn't you pay attention:

"no organization is completely protected from Internet fraud"

They're victims in this sad sad story.

Brad Haslett wrote:
> Thank you Pam Geller and volunteers for staying on top of this.  Now,
> even Newsweek, deep in the tank as any media outlet for The One, is
> recognizing there's something wrong here and can't ignore the story.
> I'm betting the New York Times breaks this story, oh, about November
> 5th.
>
>  Brad
>
> PS - Unlike the story says, Geller can find no record in FEC documents
> where the money has been returned.
>
> ------------------------
>
> Obama's 'Good Will' Hunting
> Michael Isikoff
> NEWSWEEK
> >From the magazine issue dated Oct 13, 2008
>
> The Obama campaign has shattered all fund-raising records, raking in
> $458 million so far, with about half the bounty coming from donors who
> contribute $200 or less. Aides say that's an illustration of a truly
> democratic campaign. To critics, though, it can be an invitation for
> fraud and illegal foreign cash because donors giving individual sums
> of $200 or less don't have to be publicly reported. Consider the cases
> of Obama donors "Doodad Pro" of Nunda, N.Y., who gave $17,130, and
> "Good Will" of Austin, Texas, who gave more than $11,000—both in
> excess of the $2,300-per-person federal limit. In two recent letters
> to the Obama campaign, Federal Election Commission auditors flagged
> those (and other) donors and informed the campaign that the sums had
> to be returned. Neither name had ever been publicly reported because
> both individuals made online donations in $10 and $25 increments.
> "Good Will" listed his employer as "Loving" and his occupation as
> "You," while supplying as his address 1015 Norwood Park Boulevard,
> which is shared by the Austin nonprofit Goodwill Industries. Suzanha
> Burmeister, marketing director for Goodwill, said the group had "no
> clue" who the donor was. She added, however, that the group had
> received five puzzling thank-you letters from the Obama campaign this
> year, prompting it to send the campaign an e-mail in September
> pointing out the apparent fraudulent use of its name.
>
> "Doodad Pro" listed no occupation or employer; the contributor's
> listed address is shared by Lloyd and Lynn's Liquor Store in Nunda. "I
> have never heard of such an individual," says Diane Beardsley, who
> works at the store and is the mother of one of the owners. "Nobody at
> this store has that much money to contribute." (She added that a
> Doodad's Boutique, located next door, had closed a year ago, before
> the donations were made.)
>
> Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said the campaign has no idea who the
> individuals are and has returned all the donations, using the
> credit-card numbers they gave to the campaign. (In a similar case
> earlier this year, the campaign returned $33,000 to two Palestinian
> brothers in the Gaza Strip who had bought T shirts in bulk from the
> campaign's online store. They had listed their address as "Ga.," which
> the campaign took to mean Georgia rather than Gaza.) "While no
> organization is completely protected from Internet fraud, we will
> continue to review our fund-raising procedures," LaBolt said. Some
> critics say the campaign hasn't done enough. This summer, watchdog
> groups asked both campaigns to share more information about its small
> donors. The McCain campaign agreed; the Obama campaign did not. "They
> could've done themselves a service" by heeding the suggestions, said
> Massie Ritsch of the Center for Responsive Politics.
> URL: http://www.newsweek.com/id/162403
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM, petelargo <petelauritzen at earthlink.net> wrote:
>   
>> no. from my observation on this forum; if it supports your viewpoints it is
>> credible journalism, if it does not support your views it is MSM nonsense.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>     
>>> Pete,
>>>
>>> Pamela Geller, an independent blogger at Atlas Shrugs has been doing
>>> the heavy lifting on this with help from volunteers.  It takes
>>> thousands of man hours to pour through FEC filings and the MSM  isn't
>>> interested in the story.  Remember the Dan Rather fabrication?  It was
>>> an independent blogger who busted him.  So you think if something is
>>> published by Newsmax it's automatically false but if the NYT's
>>> publishes it it's automatically true? Or, if the MSM doesn't
>>> investigate something there's no story there?
>>>
>>> Scary.
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:18 AM, petelargo <petelauritzen at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> newsmax has been cited just in the last 6 months for two completely
>>>> fabricated and embellished articles.  in other words, as you put it, pure
>>>> puff...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Pete,
>>>>>
>>>>> Age old debating trick, if you can't attack the message, attack the
>>>>> messenger.  The MSM, especially the NYT's, is in the tank for O.
>>>>> Obama's record as a legislator is puff, nothing there to examine.  His
>>>>> record as a reformer? Nothing there either, it hasn't happened.  He's
>>>>> been a get-along, go-along, I see nothing Chicago Machine politician.
>>>>> Some of us who have spent time up close and personal with powerful
>>>>> people understand they are humans. They fart and belch, they pick
>>>>> their nose when no one's looking, they say g-damnit when they stub
>>>>> their toe. They are not divine!  Obama has a long documented record of
>>>>> turning a blind eye to dirty money.  You think he gives a rat's ass
>>>>> where this money is coming from?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the long run, none of this probably matters.  What Rezko has to say
>>>>> to Fitzgerald over the course of the next 30 days is probably what
>>>>> matters, and he's tired of jail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:05 AM, petelargo <petelauritzen at earthlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> newsmax? really? you can't find a more reputable source like maybe the
>>>>>> KKK
>>>>>> gazette. I guess we can put this in the obama is a secret muslim-obama
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> secret communist-obama is a secret terrorist-obama eats the white
>>>>>> filling
>>>>>> out of oreos nonsense. more yawn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Isn't this special?  All this time some of us were focusing on the
>>>>>>> Rezko type big donors (and their ties to the Middle East) but it turns
>>>>>>> out it is the "little guys" we should be concentrating on.  No wonder
>>>>>>> he turned down public financing. Brad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Monday, September 29, 2008 9:23 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By: Kenneth R. Timmerman      Article Font Size
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More than half of the whopping $426.9 million Barack Obama has raised
>>>>>>> has come from small donors whose names the Obama campaign won't
>>>>>>> disclose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And questions have arisen about millions more in foreign donations the
>>>>>>> Obama campaign has received that apparently have not been vetted as
>>>>>>> legitimate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obama has raised nearly twice that of John McCain's campaign,
>>>>>>> according to new campaign finance report.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But because of Obama's high expenses during the hotly contested
>>>>>>> Democratic primary season and an early decision to forgo public
>>>>>>> campaign money and the spending limits it imposes, all that cash has
>>>>>>> not translated into a financial advantage — at least, not yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee began
>>>>>>> September with $95 million in cash, according to reports filed with
>>>>>>> the Federal Election Commission (FEC).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The McCain camp and the Republican National Committee had $94 million,
>>>>>>> because of an influx of $84 million in public money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But Obama easily could outpace McCain by $50 million to $100 million
>>>>>>> or more in new donations before Election Day, thanks to a legion of
>>>>>>> small contributors whose names and addresses have been kept secret.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unlike the McCain campaign, which has made its complete donor database
>>>>>>> available online, the Obama campaign has not identified donors for
>>>>>>> nearly half the amount he has raised, according to the Center for
>>>>>>> Responsive Politics (CRP).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Federal law does not require the campaigns to identify donors who give
>>>>>>> less than $200 during the election cycle. However, it does require
>>>>>>> that campaigns calculate running totals for each donor and report them
>>>>>>> once they go beyond the $200 mark.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Surprisingly, the great majority of Obama donors never break the $200
>>>>>>> threshold.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Contributions that come under $200 aggregated per person are not
>>>>>>> listed," said Bob Biersack, a spokesman for the FEC. "They don't
>>>>>>> appear anywhere, so there's no way of knowing who they are."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FEC breakdown of the Obama campaign has identified a staggering
>>>>>>> $222.7 million as coming from contributions of $200 or less. Only
>>>>>>> $39.6 million of that amount comes from donors the Obama campaign has
>>>>>>> identified.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is the largest pool of unidentified money that has ever flooded
>>>>>>> into the U.S. election system, before or after the McCain-Feingold
>>>>>>> campaign finance reforms of 2002.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Biersack would not comment on whether the FEC was investigating the
>>>>>>> huge amount of cash that has come into Obama's coffers with no public
>>>>>>> reporting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But Massie Ritsch, a spokesman for CRP, a campaign-finance watchdog
>>>>>>> group, dismissed the scale of the unreported money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We feel comfortable that it isn't the $20 donations that are
>>>>>>> corrupting a campaign," he told Newsmax.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But those small donations have added up to more than $200 million, all
>>>>>>> of it from unknown and unreported donors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ritsch acknowledges that there is skepticism about all the unreported
>>>>>>> money, especially in the Obama campaign coffers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We and seven other watchdog groups asked both campaigns for more
>>>>>>> information on small donors," he said. "The Obama campaign never
>>>>>>> responded," whereas the McCain campaign "makes all its donor
>>>>>>> information, including the small donors, available online."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rise of the Internet as a campaign funding tool raises new
>>>>>>> questions about the adequacy of FEC requirements on disclosure. In
>>>>>>> pre-Internet fundraising, almost all political donations, even small
>>>>>>> ones, were made by bank check, leaving a paper trail and limiting the
>>>>>>> amount of fraud.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But credit cards used to make donations on the Internet have allowed
>>>>>>> for far more abuse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "While FEC practice is to do a post-election review of all
>>>>>>> presidential campaigns, given their sluggish metabolism, results can
>>>>>>> take three or four years," said Ken Boehm, the chairman of the
>>>>>>> conservative National Legal and Policy Center.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Already, the FEC has noted unusual patterns in Obama campaign
>>>>>>> donations among donors who have been disclosed because they have gone
>>>>>>> beyond the $200 minimum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FEC and Mr. Doodad Pro
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When FEC auditors have questions about contributions, they send
>>>>>>> letters to the campaign's finance committee requesting additional
>>>>>>> information, such as the complete address or employment status of the
>>>>>>> donor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many of the FEC letters that Newsmax reviewed instructed the Obama
>>>>>>> campaign to "redesignate" contributions in excess of the finance
>>>>>>> limits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Under campaign finance laws, an individual can donate $2,300 to a
>>>>>>> candidate for federal office in both the primary and general election,
>>>>>>> for a total of $4,600. If a donor has topped the limit in the primary,
>>>>>>> the campaign can "redesignate" the contribution to the general
>>>>>>> election on its books.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a letter dated June 25, 2008, the FEC asked the Obama campaign to
>>>>>>> verify a series of $25 donations from a contributor identified as
>>>>>>> "Will, Good" from Austin, Texas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr. Good Will listed his employer as "Loving" and his profession as
>>>>>>> "You."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Newsmax analysis of the 1.4 million individual contributions in the
>>>>>>> latest master file for the Obama campaign discovered 1,000 separate
>>>>>>> entries for Mr. Good Will, most of them for $25.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In total, Mr. Good Will gave $17,375.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following this and subsequent FEC requests, campaign records show that
>>>>>>> 330 contributions from Mr. Good Will were credited back to a credit
>>>>>>> card. But the most recent report, filed on Sept. 20, showed a net
>>>>>>> cumulative balance of $8,950 — still well over the $4,600 limit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There can be no doubt that the Obama campaign noticed these
>>>>>>> contributions, since Obama's Sept. 20 report specified that Good
>>>>>>> Will's cumulative contributions since the beginning of the campaign
>>>>>>> were $9,375.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In an e-mailed response to a query from Newsmax, Obama campaign
>>>>>>> spokesman Ben LaBolt pledged that the campaign would return the
>>>>>>> donations. But given the slowness with which the campaign has
>>>>>>> responded to earlier FEC queries, there's no guarantee that the money
>>>>>>> will be returned before the Nov. 4 election.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Similarly, a donor identified as "Pro, Doodad," from "Nando, NY," gave
>>>>>>> $19,500 in 786 separate donations, most of them for $25. For most of
>>>>>>> these donations, Mr. Doodad Pro listed his employer as "Loving" and
>>>>>>> his profession as "You," just as Good Will had done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But in some of them, he didn't even go this far, apparently picking
>>>>>>> letters at random to fill in the blanks on the credit card donation
>>>>>>> form. In these cases, he said he was employed by "VCX" and that his
>>>>>>> profession was "VCVC."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following FEC requests, the Obama campaign began refunding money to
>>>>>>> Doodad Pro in February 2008. In all, about $8,425 was charged back to
>>>>>>> a credit card. But that still left a net total of $11,165 as of Sept.
>>>>>>> 20, way over the individual limit of $4,600.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here again, LaBolt pledged that the contributions would be returned
>>>>>>> but gave no date.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In February, after just 93 donations, Doodad Pro had already gone over
>>>>>>> the $2,300 limit for the primary. He was over the $4,600 limit for the
>>>>>>> general election one month later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In response to FEC complaints, the Obama campaign began refunding
>>>>>>> money to Doodad Pro even before he reached these limits. But his
>>>>>>> credit card was the gift that kept on giving. His most recent
>>>>>>> un-refunded contributions were on July 7, when he made 14 separate
>>>>>>> donations, apparently by credit card, of $25 each.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just as with Mr. Good Will, there can be no doubt that the Obama
>>>>>>> campaign noticed the contributions, since its Sept. 20 report
>>>>>>> specified that Doodad's cumulative contributions since the beginning
>>>>>>> of the campaign were $10,965.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Foreign Donations
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And then there are the overseas donations — at least, the ones that we
>>>>>>> know about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FEC has compiled a separate database of potentially questionable
>>>>>>> overseas donations that contains more than 11,500 contributions
>>>>>>> totaling $33.8 million. More than 520 listed their "state" as "IR,"
>>>>>>> often an abbreviation for Iran. Another 63 listed it as "UK," the
>>>>>>> United Kingdom.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More than 1,400 of the overseas entries clearly were U.S. diplomats or
>>>>>>> military personnel, who gave an APO address overseas. Their total
>>>>>>> contributions came to just $201,680.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But others came from places as far afield as Abu Dhabi, Addis Ababa,
>>>>>>> Beijing, Fallujah, Florence, Italy, and a wide selection of towns and
>>>>>>> cities in France.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until recently, the Obama Web site allowed a contributor to select the
>>>>>>> country where he resided from the entire membership of the United
>>>>>>> Nations, including such friendly places as North Korea and the Islamic
>>>>>>> Republic of Iran.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unlike McCain's or Sen. Hillary Clinton's online donation pages, the
>>>>>>> Obama site did not ask for proof of citizenship until just recently.
>>>>>>> Clinton's presidential campaign required U.S. citizens living abroad
>>>>>>> to actually fax a copy of their passport before a donation would be
>>>>>>> accepted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With such lax vetting of foreign contributions, the Obama campaign may
>>>>>>> have indirectly contributed to questionable fundraising by foreigners.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In July and August, the head of the Nigeria's stock market held a
>>>>>>> series of pro-Obama fundraisers in Lagos, Nigeria's largest city. The
>>>>>>> events attracted local Nigerian business owners.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At one event, a table for eight at one fundraising dinner went for
>>>>>>> $16,800. Nigerian press reports claimed sponsors raked in an estimated
>>>>>>> $900,000.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The sponsors said the fundraisers were held to help Nigerians attend
>>>>>>> the Democratic convention in Denver. But the Nigerian press expressed
>>>>>>> skepticism of that claim, and the Nigerian public anti-fraud
>>>>>>> commission is now investigating the matter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Concerns about foreign fundraising have been raised by other anecdotal
>>>>>>> accounts of illegal activities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In June, Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi gave a public speech praising
>>>>>>> Obama, claiming foreign nationals were donating to his campaign.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded
>>>>>>> this man," the Libyan leader said. "They welcomed him and prayed for
>>>>>>> him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in
>>>>>>> legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American
>>>>>>> presidency..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Though Gadhafi asserted that fundraising from Arab and African nations
>>>>>>> were "legitimate," the fact is that U.S. federal law bans any
>>>>>>> foreigner from donating to a U.S. election campaign.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rise of the Internet and use of credit cards have made it easier
>>>>>>> for foreign nationals to donate to American campaigns, especially if
>>>>>>> they claim their donation is less than $200.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Campaign spokesman LaBolt cited several measures that the campaign has
>>>>>>> adopted to "root out fraud," including a requirement that anyone
>>>>>>> attending an Obama fundraising event overseas present a valid U.S.
>>>>>>> passport, and a new requirement that overseas contributors must
>>>>>>> provide a passport number when donating online.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One new measure that might not appear obvious at first could be
>>>>>>> frustrating to foreigners wanting to buy campaign paraphernalia such
>>>>>>> as T-shirts or bumper stickers through the online store.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In response to an investigation conducted by blogger Pamela Geller,
>>>>>>> who runs the blog Atlas Shrugs, the Obama campaign has locked down the
>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Geller first revealed on July 31 that donors from the Gaza strip had
>>>>>>> contributed $33,000 to the Obama campaign through bulk purchases of
>>>>>>> T-shirts they had shipped to Gaza.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The online campaign store allows buyers to complete their purchases by
>>>>>>> making an additional donation to the Obama campaign.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A pair of Palestinian brothers named Hosam and Monir Edwan contributed
>>>>>>> more than $31,300 to the Obama campaign in October and November 2007,
>>>>>>> FEC records show.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Their largesse attracted the attention of the FEC almost immediately.
>>>>>>> In an April 15, 2008, report that examined the Obama campaign's
>>>>>>> year-end figures for 2007, the FEC asked that some of these
>>>>>>> contributions be reassigned.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Obama camp complied sluggishly, prompting a more detailed
>>>>>>> admonishment form the FEC on July 30.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Edwan brothers listed their address as "GA," as in Georgia,
>>>>>>> although they entered "Gaza" or "Rafah Refugee camp" as their city of
>>>>>>> residence on most of the online contribution forms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to the Obama campaign, they wrongly identified themselves as
>>>>>>> U.S. citizens, via a voluntary check-off box at the time the donations
>>>>>>> were made.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many of the Edwan brothers' contributions have been purged from the
>>>>>>> FEC database, but they still can be found in archived versions
>>>>>>> available for CRP and other watchdog groups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The latest Obama campaign filing shows that $891.11 still has not been
>>>>>>> refunded to the Edwan brothers, despite repeated FEC warnings and
>>>>>>> campaign claims that all the money was refunded in December.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Newsmax review of the Obama campaign finance filings found that the
>>>>>>> FEC had asked for the redesignation or refund of 53,828 donations,
>>>>>>> totaling just under $30 million.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But none involves the donors who never appear in the Obama campaign
>>>>>>> reports, which the CRP estimates at nearly half the $426.8 million the
>>>>>>> Obama campaign has raised to date.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many of the small donors participated in online "matching" programs,
>>>>>>> which allows them to hook up with other Obama supporters and
>>>>>>> eventually share e-mail addresses and blogs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Obama Web site described the matching contribution program as
>>>>>>> similar to a public radio fundraising drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Our goal is to bring 50,000 new donors into our movement by Friday at
>>>>>>> midnight," campaign manager David Plouffe e-mailed supporters on Sept.
>>>>>>> 15. "And if you make your first online donation today, your gift will
>>>>>>> go twice as far. A previous donor has promised to match every dollar
>>>>>>> you donate."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FEC spokesman Biersack said he was unfamiliar with the matching
>>>>>>> donation drive. But he said that if donations from another donor were
>>>>>>> going to be reassigned to a new donor, as the campaign suggested, "the
>>>>>>> two people must agree" to do so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This type of matching drive probably would be legal as long as the
>>>>>>> matching donor had not exceeded the $2,300 per-election limit, he
>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obama campaign spokesman LaBolt said, "We have more than 2.5 million
>>>>>>> donors overall, hundreds of thousands of which have participated in
>>>>>>> this program."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until now, the names of those donors and where they live have remained
>>>>>>> anonymous — and the federal watchdog agency in charge of ensuring that
>>>>>>> the presidential campaigns play by the same rules has no tools to find
>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (c) 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.
>>>>>>>
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