[Rhodes22-list] Sailing with waves

Thu Oct 9 08:56:32 EDT 2008

Mike,

You got that right.  Sailing the Rhodes is like surfing on a giant
longboard.  I haven't noticed much of a difference moving forward but it
makes sense that it affects the balance a little.

The more opposing pressure you have above and below the water, the less
effect your weight will have on the balance, but you'll probably still
be able to turn the boat by shifting your weight.  Moving 200 lbs. from
one side to the other is a 400 lb. shift on a boat with only a 700 lb.
keel.

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D. Weisner [mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:38 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing with waves

Bill,

When you single-hand (sailing that is), don't you find that the
"balance" is 
upset when you move about?  It seems that no matter how carefully I set
the 
sails, hove to or otherwise, as soon as I move, the whole balance
changes. 
Walking forward into the cabin, even on the centerline of the boat,
changes 
the heading, although not nearly as much as happens when rummaging
around in 
the v-berth or going forward to check a line or something.  I weigh
about 
200 lbs and cannot move about without altering the "balance."  What is
your 
secret?

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008
5:30 
PM
> Mary Lou,
>
> I do have the 175, and I heave to whenever there is any wind at all
and
> I need to do something.
>
> Usually that "something" is going to the head when I'm single handing,
> although I will heave to with people aboard if things are chaotic and
I
> want to calm something down.  Sometimes I heave to because it is just
> the most peaceful way to sail, and with all kinds of deep water
> available, I will heave to for hours, waving off friendlies who stop
by
> to see if I'm in trouble.
>
> The easiest way to do it (so this is naturally the way I do it most
> often) is to come about and not release the jib.
>
> If you leave the rudder pointed in this direction, you will do a 360
and
> continue on the same tack you started.
>
> So, after the boom crosses over, you turn the rudder the other way.
>
> Then you play with the rudder, pointing more or less into the wind,
> until the boat gets to where you like the way it feels.  A calm will
> settle over the boat, the wind will feel like it has lessened, the
boat
> will ride on the waves or tide or current without fighting it.
>
> The wind's power will push the boat sideways, faster or slower
depending
> on how high you decide to point into the wind.
>
> Then you lash the tiller in place, and you can forget about it until
you
> see obstacles approaching on your leeward side.  (I use dock line and
> both aft cleats to lash my tiller -- easy to do -- everything right at
> hand -- the tiller won't move an inch once lashed in place.  The boat
> will slowly travel in the direction set until you are ready to release
> the jib, or come about and take off.
>
> I can do it with any amount of sail -- it's just a matter of
> establishing a balance.  Most of the time I don't change the main
sail,
> and just set the sheets so as much wind spills off as I choose.  Since
I
> am usually going to the head, and I have a hatch, and I'm a stand-up
> kind of guy, I reduce the jib so that it doesn't smack me in the face
at
> a time when my hands are otherwise occupied.
>
> Under small craft advisory conditions I already have handkerchief
sized
> sails, and with that much wind, that's all you need.  I try not to
reset
> anything once I'm underway in these conditions.
>
> The great thing about heaving to is that everything gets so calm.  You
> have all the time in the world to experiment, and you won't get hurt.
> Roll in the Jib, roll out the main, turn the rudder this way then
that,
> watch the water...at some point you realize you're doing it!  There is
> nothing to it, and there is the thrill of learning to sail in a very
> different way.
>
> It's useful.  It's safe.  It's easy.  It works in every wind
condition.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>> Bill,
>> What size jib when you heave to in those conditions. You have a 175 
>> right?
>>
>> We've never been successful getting the boat to heave to but we
>> haven't practised much and we may not have tried it in enough wind.
>> Do you find you can heave to in winds less than 10 knots?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mary Lou
>>
>> At 12:33 AM 10/8/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> I've sailed in the same place under the same conditions.
>>>
>>> I find I can control the boat up into 20-25 mph wind conditions.
>>>
>>> I sail with far less than 50% of both sails, and can maintain
sustained
>>> over ground speeds between 7 and 11 kts--exceeding theoretical hull
>>> speed by planing on the waves.  I try not to heel at all, and roll
up my
>>> 175 to storm sail size--tiny just for balance.
>>>
>>> The main drives the boat, and I set it at any size that will not
cause
>>> heeling.
>>> It is almost impossible to come about under these conditions
factoring
>>> in the waves.  I always jibe...carefully, with a very small main,
and
>>> just a small "pop" when I change tacks.  I generally sail with the
boom
>>> up so I don't have to worry about getting killed by a small mistake.
My
>>> main is so small, the higher boom does not create heeling.
>>>
>>> Heaving to under these conditions is a kick, and definitely what I
would
>>> do if I found myself in a storm not on purpose. If you didn't try it
>>> when you were out there, you should next time.  You bob like a cork
in
>>> complete calm.  I had lunch, then released the jib in such a way
that I
>>> headed on the opposite tack and came home.
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>> Question for blue water and Great Lakes (maybe) sailors:
>>>>
>>>> The day before Hanna, the one before Ike, was due to roll in, I
took a 
>>>> sail
>>>> to try the boat out in unusual conditions. The wind was steady out
of 
>>>> the
>>>> east at about 15-20 mph with rolling 5-6' swells 20' apart once
>>>>
>>> out of port.
>>>
>>>> On LI Sound waves are uncommon, as it is usually only choppy. So
going 
>>>> out
>>>> the tack was port on a reach and crossing the swells at less than
90 
>>>> deg.
>>>> This was sailing into, up and over the swells, which was
controllable, 
>>>> the
>>>> sails reefed to 50% area. Boom down, life jacket on, pulse up. The
boat
>>>> behaved well. Upon approaching Payee Reach which gets more air
>>>>
>>> and having to
>>>
>>>> cross a more shallow area the swells got larger as the bottom
pushed 
>>>> them
>>>> up. So this got a little too exciting sooo, it was time to tack and

>>>> turn
>>>> back. The wind was too stiff and the the swells enough so she
wouldn't 
>>>> come
>>>> around, and I fell off to the former port tack.
>>>>
>>>> Keeping a weather eye on the swells a quick jibe got me on a
starboard 
>>>> tack
>>>> headed back towards port. So now we are sailing across and with
'down' 
>>>> the
>>>> swells, where before we were sailing 'up'. The boat is heeling to
port 
>>>> and
>>>> when sailing down, the heeling is being accentuated by going
downhill 
>>>> on an
>>>> angle across the swell, a new experience. This I did not like, so 
>>>> whenever
>>>> the boat started to head down a wave I fell off to brad reach and 
>>>> headed
>>>> straighter down the wave (closer to the fall line) and headed up
again,
>>>> describing a zig-zag course. This I liked as there was a bit of
surfing
>>>> involved. Having had my fun I headed home, where the first mate 
>>>> observed
>>>> that I looked a mite piqued.
>>>>
>>>> What have other R22 sailors done in these circumstances, besides 
>>>> avoiding
>>>> them? In how much wind are you able to tack? My boat will tack up
to 
>>>> about
>>>> 20 mph, depending on the seas.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>> s/v Carmen
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