[Rhodes22-list] Sailing with waves

Thu Oct 9 17:03:33 EDT 2008

Wally,

I like that stupid trick!  I'm thinking that the drag from a body will
easily turn the boat.  I may need to wait until the water warms up again
to give it a try.

Thanks!

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: TN Rhodey [mailto:tnrhodey at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:28 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing with waves

When I want to move around and go forward .....   Keep in mind what you
want
to do while away from tiller and what side of the boat your weight will
on.
Trim accordingly. I secure tiller and trim sails with a little extra
weather
or lee helm. If you keep your weight on opposite side you can balance
out.

I learned lots of stupid sailing tricks as a kid. One can set sails and
tiller, secure a line to aft cleat, and while holding (tightly) bitter
end
of line jump into the water!  Pulling on the line left or right will
make
slight adjustments to course. You can actually sail your R22 with no-one
aboard while being dragged behind. I thought this was much safer than
past
activities like slalom water skiing while drinking a beer. :-)

Note - make sure your swim ladder is down or can be lowered easily from
water. This is very stupid and unsafe. I don't suggest anyone try this.

Fair Winds,

Wally
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:56 AM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> You got that right.  Sailing the Rhodes is like surfing on a giant
> longboard.  I haven't noticed much of a difference moving forward but
it
> makes sense that it affects the balance a little.
>
> The more opposing pressure you have above and below the water, the
less
> effect your weight will have on the balance, but you'll probably still
> be able to turn the boat by shifting your weight.  Moving 200 lbs.
from
> one side to the other is a 400 lb. shift on a boat with only a 700 lb.
> keel.
>
> Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael D. Weisner [mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:38 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing with waves
>
> Bill,
>
> When you single-hand (sailing that is), don't you find that the
> "balance" is
> upset when you move about?  It seems that no matter how carefully I
set
> the
> sails, hove to or otherwise, as soon as I move, the whole balance
> changes.
> Walking forward into the cabin, even on the centerline of the boat,
> changes
> the heading, although not nearly as much as happens when rummaging
> around in
> the v-berth or going forward to check a line or something.  I weigh
> about
> 200 lbs and cannot move about without altering the "balance."  What is
> your
> secret?
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008
> 5:30
> PM
> > Mary Lou,
> >
> > I do have the 175, and I heave to whenever there is any wind at all
> and
> > I need to do something.
> >
> > Usually that "something" is going to the head when I'm single
handing,
> > although I will heave to with people aboard if things are chaotic
and
> I
> > want to calm something down.  Sometimes I heave to because it is
just
> > the most peaceful way to sail, and with all kinds of deep water
> > available, I will heave to for hours, waving off friendlies who stop
> by
> > to see if I'm in trouble.
> >
> > The easiest way to do it (so this is naturally the way I do it most
> > often) is to come about and not release the jib.
> >
> > If you leave the rudder pointed in this direction, you will do a 360
> and
> > continue on the same tack you started.
> >
> > So, after the boom crosses over, you turn the rudder the other way.
> >
> > Then you play with the rudder, pointing more or less into the wind,
> > until the boat gets to where you like the way it feels.  A calm will
> > settle over the boat, the wind will feel like it has lessened, the
> boat
> > will ride on the waves or tide or current without fighting it.
> >
> > The wind's power will push the boat sideways, faster or slower
> depending
> > on how high you decide to point into the wind.
> >
> > Then you lash the tiller in place, and you can forget about it until
> you
> > see obstacles approaching on your leeward side.  (I use dock line
and
> > both aft cleats to lash my tiller -- easy to do -- everything right
at
> > hand -- the tiller won't move an inch once lashed in place.  The
boat
> > will slowly travel in the direction set until you are ready to
release
> > the jib, or come about and take off.
> >
> > I can do it with any amount of sail -- it's just a matter of
> > establishing a balance.  Most of the time I don't change the main
> sail,
> > and just set the sheets so as much wind spills off as I choose.
Since
> I
> > am usually going to the head, and I have a hatch, and I'm a stand-up
> > kind of guy, I reduce the jib so that it doesn't smack me in the
face
> at
> > a time when my hands are otherwise occupied.
> >
> > Under small craft advisory conditions I already have handkerchief
> sized
> > sails, and with that much wind, that's all you need.  I try not to
> reset
> > anything once I'm underway in these conditions.
> >
> > The great thing about heaving to is that everything gets so calm.
You
> > have all the time in the world to experiment, and you won't get
hurt.
> > Roll in the Jib, roll out the main, turn the rudder this way then
> that,
> > watch the water...at some point you realize you're doing it!  There
is
> > nothing to it, and there is the thrill of learning to sail in a very
> > different way.
> >
> > It's useful.  It's safe.  It's easy.  It works in every wind
> condition.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> >> Bill,
> >> What size jib when you heave to in those conditions. You have a 175
> >> right?
> >>
> >> We've never been successful getting the boat to heave to but we
> >> haven't practised much and we may not have tried it in enough wind.
> >> Do you find you can heave to in winds less than 10 knots?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Mary Lou
> >>
> >> At 12:33 AM 10/8/2008, you wrote:
> >>
> >>> Andrew,
> >>>
> >>> I've sailed in the same place under the same conditions.
> >>>
> >>> I find I can control the boat up into 20-25 mph wind conditions.
> >>>
> >>> I sail with far less than 50% of both sails, and can maintain
> sustained
> >>> over ground speeds between 7 and 11 kts--exceeding theoretical
hull
> >>> speed by planing on the waves.  I try not to heel at all, and roll
> up my
> >>> 175 to storm sail size--tiny just for balance.
> >>>
> >>> The main drives the boat, and I set it at any size that will not
> cause
> >>> heeling.
> >>> It is almost impossible to come about under these conditions
> factoring
> >>> in the waves.  I always jibe...carefully, with a very small main,
> and
> >>> just a small "pop" when I change tacks.  I generally sail with the
> boom
> >>> up so I don't have to worry about getting killed by a small
mistake.
> My
> >>> main is so small, the higher boom does not create heeling.
> >>>
> >>> Heaving to under these conditions is a kick, and definitely what I
> would
> >>> do if I found myself in a storm not on purpose. If you didn't try
it
> >>> when you were out there, you should next time.  You bob like a
cork
> in
> >>> complete calm.  I had lunch, then released the jib in such a way
> that I
> >>> headed on the opposite tack and came home.
> >>>
> >>> Bill Effros
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Andrew Collins wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Question for blue water and Great Lakes (maybe) sailors:
> >>>>
> >>>> The day before Hanna, the one before Ike, was due to roll in, I
> took a
> >>>> sail
> >>>> to try the boat out in unusual conditions. The wind was steady
out
> of
> >>>> the
> >>>> east at about 15-20 mph with rolling 5-6' swells 20' apart once
> >>>>
> >>> out of port.
> >>>
> >>>> On LI Sound waves are uncommon, as it is usually only choppy. So
> going
> >>>> out
> >>>> the tack was port on a reach and crossing the swells at less than
> 90
> >>>> deg.
> >>>> This was sailing into, up and over the swells, which was
> controllable,
> >>>> the
> >>>> sails reefed to 50% area. Boom down, life jacket on, pulse up.
The
> boat
> >>>> behaved well. Upon approaching Payee Reach which gets more air
> >>>>
> >>> and having to
> >>>
> >>>> cross a more shallow area the swells got larger as the bottom
> pushed
> >>>> them
> >>>> up. So this got a little too exciting sooo, it was time to tack
and
>
> >>>> turn
> >>>> back. The wind was too stiff and the the swells enough so she
> wouldn't
> >>>> come
> >>>> around, and I fell off to the former port tack.
> >>>>
> >>>> Keeping a weather eye on the swells a quick jibe got me on a
> starboard
> >>>> tack
> >>>> headed back towards port. So now we are sailing across and with
> 'down'
> >>>> the
> >>>> swells, where before we were sailing 'up'. The boat is heeling to
> port
> >>>> and
> >>>> when sailing down, the heeling is being accentuated by going
> downhill
> >>>> on an
> >>>> angle across the swell, a new experience. This I did not like, so
> >>>> whenever
> >>>> the boat started to head down a wave I fell off to brad reach and
> >>>> headed
> >>>> straighter down the wave (closer to the fall line) and headed up
> again,
> >>>> describing a zig-zag course. This I liked as there was a bit of
> surfing
> >>>> involved. Having had my fun I headed home, where the first mate
> >>>> observed
> >>>> that I looked a mite piqued.
> >>>>
> >>>> What have other R22 sailors done in these circumstances, besides
> >>>> avoiding
> >>>> them? In how much wind are you able to tack? My boat will tack up
> to
> >>>> about
> >>>> 20 mph, depending on the seas.
> >>>>
> >>>> Andrew
> >>>> s/v Carmen
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