[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert

Jb j.bulfer at jbtek.com
Fri Oct 10 00:05:59 EDT 2008 

Brad,
Probably would not have been re-elected if he had not been let off the hook.
I think quilt by association is legitiment. Obama is being hammerd for his 
associations & rightly so.
There should never have been that 2nd meeting. It took him way too long to 
figure out he was being used.
Jb

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert


> Jb,
>
> You are missing the point.  McCain and Glen were present at two
> meetings.  They did not try and influence regulators, they did not
> propose legislation - they were "present".  Three Senators received
> sanctions, two didn't.  McCain and Glen were re-elected, they didn't
> just "keep" their jobs.
>
> What Senators Glen and McCain were accused of is basically "guilt by
> association".  Obama's defense of his relationship with Ayers is the
> same, guilt by association.  The difference is that Barack and Bill
> served on boards together.  Ayers wrote the grant that won the initial
> 50 million dollars for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.  Did Ayers
> pick Obama as the chairman?  Well, he won the money, someone had to
> make the decision who was going to be the Chairman.  Obama as Chairman
> funded Ayers' projects, mostly race based "organizing" projects that
> had nothing to do with education.  Ayers eventually had to leave the
> board of CAC because of the conflicts of interest of receiving funding
> for his own projects from an entity he where he was on the board.
>
> If you want to step this relationship up to the next level, Barack
> Obama studied under Professor Said at Columbia University in the mid
> 80's.  Bill Ayers was working on his Masters degree at another
> University 1/4 mile away at the same time.  Dr. Said wrote the forward
> to Bill Ayers book "Fugitive Days".  Barack and Michelle were friends
> of Dr. Said and I'll be more than happy to post the photo of them
> dining together at a pro-Palestine rally in Chicago.
>
> How deep do you want to dig into this "guilt by association"?
>
> Brad
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Jb <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
>> Herb,
>> He took campain contributions to keep regulators off Keatings back.
>> You can call it bad judgement or whatever you want. The result was
>> devistating to alot of families.
>> He got to keep his job while many others lost everything.
>> Jb
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert
>>
>>
>>>I have only vague memories of it, and keep in mind, I'm no McCain fan.
>>>
>>> So, I'll ask again, what was his involvement?
>>>
>>> JbTek wrote:
>>>> Herb,
>>>> I remember that scandle well. McCain was involved up to his neck.
>>>> I remember shaking my head in disgust when he was re-elected again.
>>>> McCain is no better than Keating....he should have gone to jail also.
>>>> He just got away with it......again, our legal system at work.
>>>> Jb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Pete
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it your assertion that because Ayers wasn't convicted, that he 
>>>>> wasn't
>>>>> involved?
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, Keating was convicted. What exactly did McCain have to do 
>>>>> with
>>>>> what Keating did?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> more time has been spent looking into this than anything else because
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> would be a game changer. but they just can't find anything, so the
>>>>>>
>>>> tactic is
>>>>
>>>>>> to only conjecture about it and question obamas 'character' as
>>>>>>
>>>> un-american,
>>>>
>>>>>> rather than dealing with the very real crisis issues that we are
>>>>>> facing.
>>>>>> ayers was not convicted of anything. keating sure as hell was. mccain
>>>>>>
>>>> helped
>>>>
>>>>>> destroy thousands of peoples finances during the S&L crisis and we
>>>>>> paid.
>>>>>>
>>>> PS.
>>>>
>>>>>> I am very very sorry for your terrible family tragedy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So why isn't he on Fox telling his story? I'm sure very few people
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> these kind of details. I think it would have a big impact.
>>>>>>>  I know it would with anyone who has been a victim of violent crime.
>>>>>>> Jb
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:38 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jb,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's a would be victim in his own words.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can draw your own conclusions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM, JbTek <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bad or evil can be differentiated into degrees of badness.  Not 
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> bad
>>>>
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> evil is of the same level of wrong.  A thief is bad.  A murderer 
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bad.  An unrepentant terrorist is most bad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>>>> My brother was robbed, then shot in the back & left to die 3 days
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Christmas. He was 37 years old with 2 kids. His youngest son shot
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> himself in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the chest last Christmas & died.
>>>>>>>>> Are you telling me that this unrepentent terrorist, who killed no
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> one,
>>>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> more evil than the person that devistated our family?
>>>>>>>>>  I don't think so.
>>>>>>>>> Jb
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:40 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter and Robert:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ayers comments published on September 11, 2001, Ayers had this to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> say
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> his bombing past, "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> enough."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Obama keeps saying what Ayers did 40 years ago or 20 years ago is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> not
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> important.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would have fewer problems with Obama's association if in fact
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Ayers
>>>>
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> repentant and repudiated his actions when he was in his 20's. 
>>>>>>>>>> Some
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> do make mistakes and grow up.  However, Obama associates with an
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> unrepentant
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> terrorist, Bill Ayers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The above were reported public comments made just seven years 
>>>>>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> after a terrorist attack on USA.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Obama said he would sit down with foreign terrorist groups to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> resolve
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> grievances.  He would sit down with Akmenijad.  Obviously he 
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> sit
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with them because he still sits down with an American Terrorist,
>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> board member, Bill Ayers.  He does not see any problem with
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> terrorists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The issue here is Ayers is an unrepentant and unchanged American
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> terrorist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How can you justify supporting evil?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Evil or the difference between good and bad is not defined by
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> choice.  Moral clarity is not necessarily a religious issue.  "A
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> lack
>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> moral clarity is why people living in free societies can come to
>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> fellow citizens as their enemies and foreign dictators as their
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> friends."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Natan Sharansky
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Evil or the difference between good and bad is not necessarily a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> topic.  Different societies have by various paths come to similar
>>>>>>>>>> definitions of good and evil.  By acceptable definitions,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> unrepentant
>>>>
>>>>>>> evil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is bad.  Freely associating with a person who by most standards 
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> evil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrong.  Supporting an evil person, for whatever reasons, is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> assisting
>>>>
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> conspiracy of evil.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bad or evil can be differentiated into degrees of badness.  Not 
>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> evil is of the same level of wrong.  A thief is bad.  A murderer 
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bad.  An unrepentant terrorist is most bad.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>>>>> [no addendum for Andrew]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/POLITICAL---Peter-and-Robert-tp19896352p19896352.html
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>
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