[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 1647, Issue 1
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Tue Oct 14 13:57:06 EDT 2008
Elle,
Wonderful pictures!? Thanks for sharing.
Esther Ann
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Today's Topics:
1. Fw: regatta photos (elle)
2. Re: Fw: regatta photos (ben)
3. Re: Fw: regatta photos (elle)
4. Tax Question for Brad (Tootle)
5. Re: W's Legacy (Lowe, Rob)
6. Political - McCain, Me First (Lowe, Rob)
7. Re: Political - McCain, Me First (Hank)
8. Re: Political - McCain, Me First (Lowe, Rob)
9. was winterizing - now Rhodes Bantam (Joe Babb)
10. Re: Fw: regatta photos (elle)
11. Re: Fw: regatta photos (elle)
12. Re: Political - McCain, Me First (Ben Cittadino)
13. Re: Tax Question for Brad (ben)
14. Re: Fw: regatta photos (ben)
15. Re: Political - McCain, Me First (Herb Parsons)
16. Re: Fw: regatta photos (elle)
17. Yawl for Ben (elle)
18. Fw: -Regatta Photoshopped (elle)
19. Re gatta Yawl (Tootle)
20. Tax Question reply for Ben S... (Tootle)
21. Herb, remember my previous discussion of [Political] (Tootle)
22. Re: W's Legacy (John Shulick)
23. Re: Political - McCain, Me First (Benjamin Cittadino)
24. Re: Herb, remember my previous discussion of [Political]
(Benjamin Cittadino)
25. Re: Yawl for Ben (Michael D. Weisner)
26. Can somebody ID this roller furler? (Jack Chirch)
27. Re: Re gatta Yawl (elle)
28. Re: W's Legacy (Herb Parsons)
29. Re: Political - McCain, Me First (Herb Parsons)
30. Re: Yawl for Ben (elle)
31. Re: Tax Question reply for Ben S... (Brad Haslett)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:03:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
S
ubject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Message-ID: <249652.19778.qm at web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hi, folks,
I see not much has changed over the past three days ...maybe a few more non-pol
posts have sneaked in...better get used to it...someone's going to lose....;^)
Anyhow, for the past three days I've been working the regatta & shooting
photos...thought you'd like to see a few...
All were taken on the lower Rappahannock River, mouth of the Corrotoman (that's
Kore-a TOE -man) River, just above the Norris Bridge.
All boats or designs are 25 yrs old or older....we had skipjacks,Cape Dorys, a
Hinckley, a Hylas, (those last two were REALLY fast....) a beautiful gaff rigged
boat...absolutely gorgeous weather...you can see from the heel on the boats that
winds were perfect....
I went out on the marina's Whaler (our fireboat "Squirt" ) with the owner & two
other newspaper photographers...one photog was shooting video for their
website...the other was shooting stills...Just a few minutes after leaving the
marina the still photog's camera died...totally...well, guess who was still
shooting still...;^) ...
So for this week I'm a stringer & will get paid the stringer's rate...a smile, a
handshake...and photo credits ;^)
It was very rough on the water...winds were @ 12-15.with gusts higher....the
Whaler is not the driest nor the most stable boat made...;^)...To get the best
shots w/o anything in the way (and to keep the lens somewhat dry) I had to stand
atop a storage container that was higher than the gunnels...I told the guy w/the
dead camera that if he wanted good shots he had to keep me in the boat by hook ,
by crook, or whatever he could get hold of (within reason, of course!) as it is
easier to frame by not leaning against the boat but by moving with the boat. I
now have a new best friend...;^)
Out of @ 250 photos I only had one each of the sky and water, and one of the
rail....
More to come later if y'all woul
d like.....more certainly of the unique older
boats.
elle
..
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:07:41 -0500
From: "ben" <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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Wow, that looks like a perfect day. Great photos.
Anyone know the make and model of that ketch in the 2nd photo? I really
like the look of that little boat.
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of elle
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:03 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
Hi, folks,
I see not much has changed over the past three days ...maybe a few more
non-pol posts have sneaked in...better get used to it...someone's going to
lose....;^)
Anyhow, for the past three days I've been working the regatta & shooting
photos...thought you'd like to see a few...
All were taken on
the lower Rappahannock River, mouth of the Corrotoman
(that's Kore-a TOE -man) River, just above the Norris Bridge.
All boats or designs are 25 yrs old or older....we had skipjacks,Cape Dorys,
a Hinckley, a Hylas, (those last two were REALLY fast....) a beautiful gaff
rigged boat...absolutely gorgeous weather...you can see from the heel on the
boats that winds were perfect....
I went out on the marina's Whaler (our fireboat "Squirt" ) with the owner &
two other newspaper photographers...one photog was shooting video for their
website...the other was shooting stills...Just a few minutes after leaving
the marina the still photog's camera died...totally...well, guess who was
still shooting still...;^) ...
So for this week I'm a stringer & will get paid the stringer's rate...a
smile, a handshake...and photo credits ;^)
It was very rough on the water...winds were @ 12-15.with gusts higher....the
Whaler is not the driest nor the most stable boat made...;^)...To get the
best shots w/o anything in the way (and to keep the lens somewhat dry) I had
to stand atop a storage container that was higher than the gunnels...I told
the guy w/the dead camera that if he wanted good shots he had to keep me in
the boat by hook , by crook, or whatever he could get hold of (within
reason, of course!) as it is easier to frame by not leaning against the boat
but by moving with the boat. I now have a new best friend...;^)
Out of @ 250 photos I only had one each of the sky and water, and one of the
rail....
More to come later if y'all would like.....more certainly of the unique
older boats.
elle
..
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:39:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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I can find out ...
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Mon, 10/13/08, ben <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com> wrote:
> From: ben <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 1:07 PM
> Wow, that looks like a perfect day. Great photos.
>
> Anyone know the make and model of that ketch in the 2nd
> photo? I really
> like the look of that little boat.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> elle
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:03 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
>
> Hi, folks,
>
> I see not much has changed over the past three days
> ...maybe a few more
> non-pol posts have sneaked in...better get used to
> it...s
omeone's going to
> lose....;^)
>
> Anyhow, for the past three days I've been working the
> regatta & shooting
> photos...thought you'd like to see a few...
>
> All were taken on the lower Rappahannock River, mouth of
> the Corrotoman
> (that's Kore-a TOE -man) River, just above the Norris
> Bridge.
>
> All boats or designs are 25 yrs old or older....we had
> skipjacks,Cape Dorys,
> a Hinckley, a Hylas, (those last two were REALLY fast....)
> a beautiful gaff
> rigged boat...absolutely gorgeous weather...you can see
> from the heel on the
> boats that winds were perfect....
>
> I went out on the marina's Whaler (our fireboat
> "Squirt" ) with the owner &
> two other newspaper photographers...one photog was shooting
> video for their
> website...the other was shooting stills...Just a few
> minutes after leaving
> the marina the still photog's camera
> died...totally...well, guess who was
> still shooting still...;^) ...
>
> So for this week I'm a stringer & will get paid the
> stringer's rate...a
> smile, a handshake...and photo credits ;^)
>
> It was very rough on the water...winds were @ 12-15.with
> gusts higher....the
> Whaler is not the driest nor the most stable boat
> made...;^)...To get the
> best shots w/o anything in the way (and to keep the lens
> somewhat dry) I had
> to stand atop a storage container that was higher than the
> gunnels...I told
> the guy w/the dead camera that if he wanted good shots he
> had to keep me in
> the boat by hook , by crook, or whatever he could get hold
> of (within
> reason, of course!) as it is easier to frame by not leaning
> against the boat
> but by moving with the boat. I now have a new best
> friend...;^)
>
> Out of @ 250 photos I only had one each of the sky and
> water, and one of the
> rail....
>
> More to come later if y'all would like.....more
> certainly of the unique
> older boats.
>
>
> elle
>
> ..
>
>
>
>
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can
> adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
> (Lady in Re
d)
>
>
> -
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:42:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tax Question for Brad
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Brad,
Obama is proposing reducing capital gains taxes on small businesses. Is
there any capital gains involved in your construction company? Inquiring
minds want to know about your capital gains.
Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
Andrew please note no attachment nor addendum for you this time.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:01:17 -0400
From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] W's Legacy
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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John,
You talking W. or Josh Brolin (who plays W. in the movie)?
I think Bonzo actually played Bonzo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bedtime_for_Bonzo_1951.jpg
- rob
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From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Shulick
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:13 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] W's Legacy
Rob
Didn't he play the chimp in Bedtime for Bonzo as well?
John Shulick
Rob Lowe wrote:
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:21:09 -0400
From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Political - McCain, Me First
To: "Rhodes List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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A rather long read if you are interested. What I found most interesting
is the Me First attitude this article attributes to McCain. - rob
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_re
al_john_mccain/page/1
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:26:13 -0400
From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political - McCain, Me First
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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OK, it's from rolling stone. Not the most unbiased news source out there.
They are putting their spin and views on it.
Hank
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> A rather long read if you are interested. Wh
at I found most interesting
> is the Me First attitude this article attributes to McCain. - rob
>
>
>
> http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_re
> al_john_mccain/page/1<http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:28:43 -0400
From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political - McCain, Me First
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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Oh, sure. Most organizations do. But it does give another side to the
story. - rob
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:26 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political - McCain, Me First
OK, it's from rolling stone. Not the most unbiased news source out
there.
They are putting their spin and views on it.
Hank
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> A rather long read if you are interested. What I found most
interesting
> is the Me First attitude this article attributes to McCain. - rob
>
>
>
>
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_re
>
al_john_mccain/page/1<http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_b
elieve_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:58:29 -0400
From: Joe Babb <joe.babb at comcast.net>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] was winterizing - now Rhodes Bantam
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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Wally,
I thought I was the only person around who had owned a Rhodes Bantam
previous to owning a Rhodes 22.
Small World.
My Rhodes Bantam sadly died of dry rot (it had dry rot when I bought it
used) after a few seasons. But it was
a good first boat for me to learn on and scare myself with. That seems
like a long time ago now. Probably
20 years +. If I had known more then about woodworking maybe I could've
save it.
I first learned to sail in the UT sailing club down at Concord.
Joe
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:22:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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Ben,
I was unable to see wither the name or their race number, but in checking
through the list of boats (there were 130!) it appears that it is the '84 Alberg
yawl ... .
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Mon, 10/13/08, ben <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com> wrote:
> From: ben <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 1:07 PM
> Wow, that looks like a perfect day. Great photos.
>
> Anyone know the make and model of that ketch in the 2nd
> photo? I really
> like the look of that little boat.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> elle
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:03 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
>
> Hi, folks,
>
> I see not much has changed over the past three days
> ...maybe a few more
> non-pol posts have sneaked in...better get used to
> it...someone's going to
> lose....;^)
>
> Anyhow, for the past three days I've been working the
> regatta & shooting
> photos...thought you'd like to see a few...
>
> All were taken on the lower Rappahannock River, mouth of
> the Corrotoman
> (that's Kore-a TOE -man) River, just above the Norris
> Bridge.
>
> All boats or designs are 25 yrs old or older....we had
> skipjacks,Cape Dorys,
> a Hinckley, a Hylas, (those last two were REALLY fast....)
> a beautiful gaff
> rigged boat...absolutely gorgeous weather...you can see
> from the heel on the
> boats that winds were perfect....
>
> I went out on the marina's Whaler (our fireboat
> "Squirt" ) with the owner &
> two other newspaper photographers...one photog was shooting
> video for their
> website...the other was shooting stills...Just a few
> minutes after leaving
> the marina the still photog's camera
> died...totally...well, guess who was
> still shooting still...;^) ...
>
> So for this week I'm a stringer & will get paid the
> stringer's rate...a
> smile, a handshake...and photo credits ;^)
>
> It was very rough on the water...winds were @ 12-15.with
> gusts higher....the
> Whaler is not the driest nor the most stable boat
> made...;^)...To get the
> best shots w/o anything in the way (and to keep the lens
> somewhat dry) I had
> to stand atop a storage container that was higher than the
> gunnels...I told
> the guy w/the dead camera that if he wanted good shots he
> had to keep me in
> the boat by hook , by crook, or whatever he could get hold
> of (within
> reason, of course!) as it is easier to frame by not leaning
> against the boat
> but by
moving with the boat. I now have a new best
> friend...;^)
>
> Out of @ 250 photos I only had one each of the sky and
> water, and one of the
> rail....
>
> More to come later if y'all would like.....more
> certainly of the unique
> older boats.
>
>
> elle
>
> ..
>
>
>
>
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can
> adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
> (Lady in Red)
>
>
> -
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:22:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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eBen,
I was unable to see either the name or their race number, but in checking
through the list of boats (there were 130!) it appears that it is the '84 Alberg
yawl ... .
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Mon, 10/13/08, ben <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com> wrote:
> From: ben <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 1:07 PM
> Wow, that looks like a perfect day. Great photos.
>
> Anyone know the make and model of that ketch in the 2nd
> photo? I really
> like the look of that little boat.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> elle
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:03 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
>
> Hi, folks,
>
> I see not much has changed over the past three days
> ...maybe a few more
> non-pol posts have sneaked in...better get used to
> it...someone's going to
> lose....;^)
>
> Anyhow, for the past three days I've been working the
> regatta & shooting
> photos...thought you'd like to see a few...
>
> All were taken on the lower Rappahannock River, mouth of
> the Corrotoman
> (that's Kore-a TOE -man) River, just above the Norris
> Bridge.
>
> All boats or designs are 25 yrs old or older....we had
> skipjacks,Cape Dorys,
> a Hinckley, a Hylas, (those last two were REALLY fast....)
> a beautiful gaff
> rigged boat...absolutely gorgeous weather...you can see
> from the heel on the
> boats that winds were perfect....
>
> I went out on the marina's Whaler (our fireboat
> "Squirt" ) with the owner &
> two other newspaper photographers...one photog was shooting
> video for their
> website...the other was shooting stills...Just a few
> minutes after leaving
> the marina the still photog's camera
> died...totally...well, guess who was
> still shooting still...;^) ...
>
> So for this week I'm a stringer & will get paid the
> stringer's rate...a
> smile, a handshake...and photo credits ;^)
>
> It was very rough on the water...winds were @ 12-15.with
> gusts higher....the
> Whaler is not the driest nor the most stable boat
> made...;^)...To get the
> best shots w/o anything in the way (and to keep the lens
> somewhat dry) I had
> to stand atop a storage container that was higher than the
> gunnels...I told
> the guy w/the dead camera that if he wanted good shots he
> had to keep me in
> the boat by hook , by crook, or whatever he could get hold
> of (within
> reason, of course!) as it is easier to frame by not leaning
> against the boat
> but by moving with the boat. I now have a new best
> friend...;^)
>
> Out of @ 250 photos I only had one each of the sky and
> water, and one of the
> rail....
>
> More to come later if y'all would like.....more
> certainly of the unique
> older boats.
>
>
> elle
>
> ..
>
>
>
>
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can
> adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
> (Lady in Red)
>
>
> -
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political - McCain, Me First
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html
Rob;
Rather than start a new thread I thought I would give you a link to my
favorite NYTimes Columnist which explains the shift of Republicans like me
to Sen. Obama. It's more than personalities, it's the entire GOP shift out
of the center. I also thought Frank Rich's column this past Sunday was just
exactly right. Check it out.
best,
Ben C.
Rob Lowe wrote:
>
> Oh, sure. Most organizations do. But it does give another side to the
> story. - rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:26 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political - McCain, Me First
>
> OK, it's from rolling stone. Not the most unbiased news source out
> there.
> They are putting their spin and views on it.
>
> Hank
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>
>> A rather long read if you are interested. What I found most
> interesting
>> is the Me First attitude this article attributes to McCain. - rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_re
>>
>
al_john_mccain/page/1<http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_b
> elieve_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:45:24 -0500
From: "ben" <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tax Question for Brad
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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Ed,
The only businesses who pay an income tax (including capital gains) are
C-corps. Very, very few "small businesses" are incorporated as C-corps.
Probably 95+% of us are LLCs, LLPs or S-Corps, which means a variety of
things, one of which is that we take the business's bottom line profit, and
add that number to our personal income tax. That's a really simplified
explanation, but it's basically how it works.
So all that blather about small business taxes is political bunk. It
affects almost no real small businesses. If they were going to change
employment taxes or property taxes or sales taxes, they could make a
difference to the small business owner, but income -- doesn't really matter
too much.
Speaking of finance, I caught w
ind that there was a bit of a market rebound
today. I might be able to retire some day after all.
Thanks,
Ben
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Tootle
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:43 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tax Question for Brad
Brad,
Obama is proposing reducing capital gains taxes on small businesses. Is
there any capital gains involved in your construction company? Inquiring
minds want to know about your capital gains.
Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
Andrew please note no attachment nor addendum for you this time.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:49:09 -0500
From: "ben" <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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Ahh, a yawl, not a ketch. Looks great for a 20 year old boat.
I don't guess the Rhodes 22 could be rigged as a yawl, with the rudder on
the transom, but do you guys think Stan could build me a ketch on a R22
hull?
If I win the Powerball, I'm going to send him a lot of money to give it a
try.
Ben S.
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of elle
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:22 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
Ben,
I was unable to see wither the name or their race number, but in checking
through the list of boats (there were 130!) it app
ears that it is the '84
Alberg yawl ... .
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Mon, 10/13/08, ben <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com> wrote:
> From: ben <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 1:07 PM
> Wow, that looks like a perfect day. Great photos.
>
> Anyone know the make and model of that ketch in the 2nd
> photo? I really
> like the look of that little boat.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> elle
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:03 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
>
> Hi, folks,
>
> I see not much has changed over the past three days
> ...maybe a few more
> non-pol posts have sneaked in...better get used to
> it...someone's going to
> lose....;^)
>
> Anyhow, for the past three days I've been working the
> regatta & shooting
> photos...thought you'd like to see a few...
>
> All were taken on the lower Rappahannock River, mouth of
> the Corrotoman
> (that's Kore-a TOE -man) River, just above the Norris
> Bridge.
>
> All boats or designs are 25 yrs old or older....we had
> skipjacks,Cape Dorys,
> a Hinckley, a Hylas, (those last two were REALLY fast....)
> a beautiful gaff
> rigged boat...absolutely gorgeous weather...you can see
> from the heel on the
> boats that winds were perfect....
>
> I went out on the marina's Whaler (our fireboat
> "Squirt" ) with the owner &
> two other newspaper photographers...one photog was shooting
> video for their
> website...the other was shooting stills...Just a few
> minutes after leaving
> the marina the still photog's camera
> died...totally...well, guess who was
> still shooting still...;^) ...
>
> So for this week I'm a stringer & will get paid the
> st
ringer's rate...a
> smile, a handshake...and photo credits ;^)
>
> It was very rough on the water...winds were @ 12-15.with
> gusts higher....the
> Whaler is not the driest nor the most stable boat
> made...;^)...To get the
> best shots w/o anything in the way (and to keep the lens
> somewhat dry) I had
> to stand atop a storage container that was higher than the
> gunnels...I told
> the guy w/the dead camera that if he wanted good shots he
> had to keep me in
> the boat by hook , by crook, or whatever he could get hold
> of (within
> reason, of course!) as it is easier to frame by not leaning
> against the boat
> but by moving with the boat. I now have a new best
> friend...;^)
>
> Out of @ 250 photos I only had one each of the sky and
> water, and one of the
> rail....
>
> More to come later if y'all would like.....more
> certainly of the unique
> older boats.
>
>
> elle
>
> ..
>
>
>
>
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can
> adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
> (Lady in Red)
>
>
> -
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:16:02 -0500
From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political - McCain, Me First
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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Ben,
Are you really asserting that the ENTIRE GOP center shifted to Obama?
I don't think so.
Maybe New York City, maybe even all of New York, but believe it or not,
there are parts of the United States west of you folks.
If as many Republicans "shifted" the way you claimed, Obama wouldn't
have to be spending all those $$$ that he collected from the folks EAST
of ya'll, and ACORN could be pushing their local candidates heavier...
Ben Cittadino wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html
>
> Rob;
>
> Rather than start a new thread I thought I would give you a link to my
> favorite NYTimes Columnist which explains the shift of Republicans like me
> to Sen. Obama. It's more than personalities, it's the entire GOP shift out
> of the center. I also thought Frank Rich's column this past Sunday was just
> exactly right. Check it out.
>
> best,
>
> Ben C.
>
>
>
>
> Rob Lowe wrote:
>
>> Oh, sure. Most organizations do. But it does give another side to the
>> story. - rob
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.
org] On Behalf Of Hank
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:26 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political - McCain, Me First
>>
>> OK, it's from rolling stone. Not the most unbiased news source out
>> there.
>> They are putting their spin and views on it.
>>
>> Hank
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> A rather long read if you are interested. What I found most
>>>
>> interesting
>>
>>> is the Me First attitude this article attributes to McCain. - rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_re
>>
>> al_john_mccain/page/1<http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_b
>> elieve_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:24:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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Yea...it's hard to see the rudder post unless the photo is enlarged.
I'm sending two other views of the boat; one from the side & one I Photoshopped
while trying to lighten the transom & read the flag number. A 'way coo
l
accident....coming up....
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Mon, 10/13/08, ben <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com> wrote:
> From: ben <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 5:49 PM
> Ahh, a yawl, not a ketch. Looks great for a 20 year old
> boat.
>
> I don't guess the Rhodes 22 could be rigged as a yawl,
> with the rudder on
> the transom, but do you guys think Stan could build me a
> ketch on a R22
> hull?
>
> If I win the Powerball, I'm going to send him a lot of
> money to give it a
> try.
>
> Ben S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> elle
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:22 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
>
> Ben,
>
> I was unable to see wither the name or their race number,
> but in checking
> through the list of boats (there were 130!) it appears that
> it is the '84
> Alberg yawl ... .
>
> elle
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can
> adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
> (Lady in Red)
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/13/08, ben
> <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com> wrote:
>
> > From: ben
> <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 1:07 PM
> > Wow, that looks like a perfect day. Great photos.
> >
> > Anyone know the make and model of that ketch in the
> 2nd
> > photo? I really
> > like the look of that little boat.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> > elle
> > Sent: Monday, Octob
er 13, 2008 11:03 AM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: regatta photos
> >
> > Hi, folks,
> >
> > I see not much has changed over the past three days
> > ...maybe a few more
> > non-pol posts have sneaked in...better get used to
> > it...someone's going to
> > lose....;^)
> >
> > Anyhow, for the past three days I've been working
> the
> > regatta & shooting
> > photos...thought you'd like to see a few...
> >
> > All were taken on the lower Rappahannock River, mouth
> of
> > the Corrotoman
> > (that's Kore-a TOE -man) River, just above the
> Norris
> > Bridge.
> >
> > All boats or designs are 25 yrs old or older....we had
> > skipjacks,Cape Dorys,
> > a Hinckley, a Hylas, (those last two were REALLY
> fast....)
> > a beautiful gaff
> > rigged boat...absolutely gorgeous weather...you can
> see
> > from the heel on the
> > boats that winds were perfect....
> >
> > I went out on the marina's Whaler (our fireboat
> > "Squirt" ) with the owner &
> > two other newspaper photographers...one photog was
> shooting
> > video for their
> > website...the other was shooting stills...Just a few
> > minutes after leaving
> > the marina the still photog's camera
> > died...totally...well, guess who was
> > still shooting still...;^) ...
> >
> > So for this week I'm a stringer & will get
> paid the
> > stringer's rate...a
> > smile, a handshake...and photo credits ;^)
> >
> > It was very rough on the water...winds were @
> 12-15.with
> > gusts higher....the
> > Whaler is not the driest nor the most stable boat
> > made...;^)...To get the
> > best shots w/o anything in the way (and to keep the
> lens
> > somewhat dry) I had
> > to stand atop a storage container that was higher than
> the
> > gunnels...I told
> > the guy w/the dead camera that if he wanted good shots
> he
> > had to keep me in
> > the boat by hook , by crook, or whatever he could get
> hold
> > of (within
> > reason, of course!) as it is easier to frame by not
> leaning
> > against the boat
> > but by moving with the boat. I
now have a new best
> > friend...;^)
> >
> > Out of @ 250 photos I only had one each of the sky and
> > water, and one of the
> > rail....
> >
> > More to come later if y'all would like.....more
> > certainly of the unique
> > older boats.
> >
> >
> > elle
> >
> > ..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
> can
> > adjust our sails.
> >
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:28:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Yawl for Ben
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Ben,
Here is another view of that yawl...had a bit of vignetting in the
corners...easy enuf to fix....then I played w/Photoshop try to get the name &
number...and came up with the second one..
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: -Regatta Photoshopped
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Ben,
Sorry I wasn't able to get them both in one email....
This is the Photoshopped one..
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:54:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Too
tle <ekroposki at charter.net>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re gatta Yawl
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Ben,
The general way to tell a yawl from ketch is location of wheel or tiller.
If the mizzen is in front of tiller or wheel it is most often a ketch. If
tiller or wheel is in front of mizzen then it is most often yawl. But that
is not a fixed rule. There are boats that defy the best to separate the
two.
Now if they were both IMF mast...
Elle, you lost detail in the photoshopped picture.
Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:10:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tax Question reply for Ben S...
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Ben,
All that you said sounds good, but Obama is saying that he will cut capital
gains taxes to small businesses. So if you in the 95 % how is he going do
that, Voodoo? (Wasn't that a term some time back?)
Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
Addendum for Andrew:
Negative advertising
By Thomas Sowell
One of the oldest phenomena of American elections? criticism of one's
opponent? has in recent times been stigmatized by much of the media as
"negative advertising."
Is this because the criticism has gotten more vicious or more personal? You
might think so, if you were totally ignorant of history, as so many of the
graduates of even our elite universities are.
Although Grover Cleveland was elected President twice, he had to overcome a
major scandal that he had fathered a child out of wedlock, which was
considered more of a disgrace then than today. Even giants like Lincoln and
Jefferson
were called names that neither McCain nor Obama has been called.
Why then is "negative advertising" such a big deal these days? The dirty
little secret is this: Liberal candidates have needed to escape their past
and pretend that they are not liberals, because so many voters have had it
with liberals.
In 1988, Governor Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts called himself a
"technocrat," a pragmatic solver of problems, despite a classic liberal
track record of big spending, big taxes, and policies that were
anti-business and pro-criminal.
When the truth about what he actually did as governor was brought out during
the Presidential election campaign, the media were duly shocked? not by
Dukakis' record, but by the Republicans' exposing his record.
John Kerry, with a very similar ultra-liberal record, topped off by
inflammatory and unsubstantiated attacks on American military men in
Vietnam, disdained the whole process of labeling as something unworthy. And
the mainstream media closed ranks around him as well, deploring those who
labeled Kerry a liberal.
Barack Obama is much smoother. Instead of issuing explicit denials, he gives
speeches that sound so moderate, so nuanced and so lofty that even some
conservative Republicans go for them. How could anyone believe that such a
man is the very opposite of what he claims to be? unless they check out the
record of what he has actually done?
In words, Obama is a uniter instead of a divider. In deeds, he has spent
years promoting polarization. That is what a "community organizer" does,
creating a sense of grievance, envy and resentment, in order to mobilize
political action to get more of the taxpayers' money or to force banks to
lend to people they don't consider good risks, as the community organizing
group ACORN did.
After Barack Obama moved beyond the role of a community organizer, he
promoted the same polarization in his other roles.
That is what he did when he spent the money of the Woods Fund bankrolling
programs to spread the politics of grievance and res
entment into the
schools. That is what he did when he spent the taxpayers' money bankrolling
the grievance and resentment ideology of Michael Pfleger.
When Barack Obama donated $20,000 to Jeremiah Wright, does anyone imagine
that he was unaware that Wright was the epitome of grievance, envy and
resentment hype? Or were Wright's sermons too subtle for Obama to pick up
that message?
How subtle is "G-d damn America!"?
Yet those in the media who deplore "negative advertising" regard it as
unseemly to dig up ugly facts instead of sticking to the beautiful rhetoric
of an election year. The oft-repeated mantra is that we should trick to the
"real issues."
What are called "the real issues" are election-year talking points, while
the actual track record of the candidates is treated as a distraction? and
somehow an unworthy distraction.
Does anyone in real life put more faith in what people say than in what they
do? A few gullible people do? and they often get deceived and defrauded big
time.
Barack Obama has carried election-year makeovers to a new high, presenting
himself a uniter of people, someone reaching across the partisan divide and
the racial divide? after decades of promoting polarization in each of his
successive roles and each of his choices of political allies.
Yet the media treat exposing a fraudulent election-year image as far worse
than letting someone acquire the powers of the highest office in the land
through sheer deception
benonvelvetelvis wrote:
>
> Ed,
>
> The only businesses who pay an income tax (including capital gains) are
> C-corps. Very, very few "small businesses" are incorporated as C-corps.
> Probably 95+% of us are LLCs, LLPs or S-Corps, which means a variety of
> things, one of which is that we take the business's bottom line profit,
> and
> add that number to our personal income tax. That's a really simplified
> explanation, but it's basically how it works.
>
> So all that blather about small business taxes is political bunk. It
> affects almost no real small busine
sses. If they were going to change
> employment taxes or property taxes or sales taxes, they could make a
> difference to the small business owner, but income -- doesn't really
> matter
> too much.
>
> Speaking of finance, I caught wind that there was a bit of a market
> rebound
> today. I might be able to retire some day after all.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Tootle
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:43 PM
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> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tax Question for Brad
>
>
> Brad,
>
> Obama is proposing reducing capital gains taxes on small businesses. Is
> there any capital gains involved in your construction company? Inquiring
> minds want to know about your capital gains.
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:00:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Herb, remember my previous discussion of
[Political]
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Herb,
He claime
d to be what call himself a, "Rockefeller Republican". Then he
described himself as 'center'. But his actions and words show him to very
far left. Remember the definition of 'Marxist'. It is not what you call
yourself, it is what you are. I am sorry but the Zebra has stripes.
Thomas Sowell said, "Barack Obama has carried election-year makeovers to a
new high, presenting himself a uniter of people, someone reaching across the
partisan divide and the racial divide? after decades of promoting
polarization in each of his successive roles and each of his choices of
political allies."
"Yet the media treat exposing a fraudulent election-year image as far worse
than letting someone acquire the powers of the highest office in the land
through sheer deception."
His deception is illustriative of what Sowell says about Obama.
Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:00:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] W's Legacy
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Rob,
Perhaps this will clarify my intent
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:53:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Benjamin Cittadino <bigben65 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political - McCain, Me First
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Herb;
I guess what I took from the
Brooks column was that he saw the GOP as moving
away from a party of "urbane values, sophistication, and the rigorous and
constant application of intellect" to an organization dedicated to a form of
class warfare, pitting "wholesome Joe Sixpacks in the heartland" against
"oversophisticated, overeducated, oversecularized denizens of the coasts".
The party, according to Brooks, is inviting many thoughtful lawyers,
doctors, technology executives, and investment bankers, to just leave."
My point in posting the column was to posit the theory that the shift to
Obama in my neighborhood has less to do with the perception of McCain as a
"me first" kind of guy than a perception of being "kicked out" of the GOP
calculation.
best wishes;
Ben
Ben,
Are you really asserting that the ENTIRE GOP center shifted to Obama?
I don't think so.
Maybe New York City, maybe even all of New York, but believe it or not,
there are parts of the United States west of you folks.
If as many Republicans "shifted" the way you claimed, Obama wouldn't
have to be spending all those $$$ that he collected from the folks EAST
of ya'll, and ACORN could be pushing their local candidates heavier...
Ben Cittadino wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html
>
> Rob;
>
> Rather than start a new thread I thought I would give you a link to my
> favorite NYTimes Columnist which explains the shift of Republicans like me
> to Sen. Obama. It's more than personalities, it's the entire GOP shift out
> of the center. I also thought Frank Rich's column this past Sunday was
> just
> exactly right. Check it out.
>
> best,
>
> Ben C.
>
>
>
>
> Rob Lowe wrote:
>
>> Oh, sure. Most organizations do. But it does give another side to the
>> story. - rob
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:26 PM
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>>
>> OK, it's from rolling stone. Not the most unbiased news source out
>> there.
>> They are putting their spin and views on it.
>>
>> Hank
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> A rather long read if you are interested. What I found most
>>>
>> interesting
>>
>>> is the Me First attitude this article attributes to McCain. - rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_re
>>
>> al_john_mccain/page/1<http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_b
>> elieve_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1>
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:09:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Benjamin Cittadino <bigben65 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Herb, remember my previous discussion of
[Political]
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Ed;
For what it's worth, I think Sowell is an interesting guy. Naturally I
think he misconstrues "social liberalism" and I have real problems with his
position that drugs should be decriminalized, but his ideas are worth the
trouble to read and think about. Do you think Rush Limbaugh has actually
read Sowell's stuff, or just pretends?
Ben C.
Tootle wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> He claimed to be what call himself a, "Rockefeller Republican". Then he
> described himself as 'center'. But his actions and words show him to very
> far left. Remember the definition of 'Marxist'. It is not what you call
> yourself, it is what you are. I am sorry but the Zebra has stripes.
>
> Thomas Sowell said, "Barack Obama has carried election-year makeovers to a
> new high, presenting himself a uniter of people, someone reaching across
> the partisan divide and the racial divide? after decades of promoting
> polarization in each of his successive roles and each of his choices of
> political allies."
>
> "Yet the media treat exposing a fraudulent election-year image as far
> worse than letting someone acquire the powers of the highest office in the
> land through sheer deception."
>
> His deception is illustriative of what Sowell says about Obama.
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> attachment:
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:30:38 -0400
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Yawl for Ben
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Elle,
Great shots of the regatta
. I knew that you must have been up to something
great - thing were too quiet.
Favorites, so far:
DSC_1189_2_2.jpg I loved the composition and sense of action
DSC_1384_2.jpg Dramatic lighting and use of color - a winner!
What caused the vignetting on DSC_1365.jpg? Are you using a tele extender
tube or simply a shade?
Are you going to post the shots to your site? Can't wait to see more ...
Mike
s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY
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> Ben,
>
> Here is another view of that yawl...had a bit of vignetting in the
> corners...easy enuf to fix....then I played w/Photoshop try to get the
> name & number...and came up with the second one..
>
> elle
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>
>
>
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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:41:38 -0400
From: "Jack Chirch" <jchirch at gmail.com>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Can somebody ID this roller furler?
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Photographed on an O'Day 25 on Lake Erie this weekend.
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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:12:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
Subj
ect: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re gatta Yawl
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> Elle, you lost detail in the photoshopped picture.
> Ed K
Of course I did, Ed. I was going for a more painterly effect.
Got what I was after.
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re gatta Yawl
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 6:54 PM
> Ben,
>
> The general way to tell a yawl from ketch is location of
> wheel or tiller.
> If the mizzen is in front of tiller or wheel it is most
> often a ketch. If
> tiller or wheel is in front of mizzen then it is most often
> yawl. But that
> is not a fixed rule. There are boats that defy the best to
> separate the
> two.
>
> Now if they were both IMF mast...
>
> > Elle, you lost detail in the photoshopped picture.
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:37:52 -0500
From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] W's Legacy
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John, you know what you should do? Go to the polls, and insist to
everyone that will
listen that you REFUSE to vote for that guy that
looks like a chimp.
John Shulick wrote:
> Rob,
>
> Perhaps this will clarify my intent
>
> <ahref="http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/1570/Bush_Monkey_Faces/"
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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:42:36 -0500
From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political - McCain, Me First
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And I don't doubt for a second that that is the case IN YOUR
NEIGHBORHOOD. Unfortunately, that's not what you said. I saw much of
what you saw in "my neighborhood" as well, except with a different
"solution."
You don't decry your party's shift left by supporting the opponent
that's even FURTHER left. You might just not vote this time around; but
most of the folks I know planned on doing what I planned on doing;
voting for the lesser of two evils.
Like it or not (and I suspect for the left, it's firmly in the "not"
column), Palin changed that view; at least for me, and many like me.
Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
> Herb;
>
> I guess what I took from the Brooks column was that he saw the GOP as moving
> away from a party of "urbane values, sophistication, and the rigorous and
> constant application of intellect" to an organization dedicated to a form of
> class warfare, pitting "wholesome Joe Sixpacks in the heartland" against
> "oversophisticated, overeducated, oversecularized denizens of the coasts".
>
> The party, according to Brooks, is inviting many thoughtful lawyers,
> doctors, technology executives, and investment bankers, to just leave."
>
> My point in posting the column was to posit the theory that the shift to
> Obama in my neighborhood has less to do with the perception of McCain as a
> "me first" kind of guy than a perception of being "kicked out" of the GOP
> calculation.
>
> best wishes;
>
> Ben
>
>
>
>
> Ben,
>
> Are you reall
y asserting that the ENTIRE GOP center shifted to Obama?
>
> I don't think so.
>
> Maybe New York City, maybe even all of New York, but believe it or not,
> there are parts of the United States west of you folks.
>
> If as many Republicans "shifted" the way you claimed, Obama wouldn't
> have to be spending all those $$$ that he collected from the folks EAST
> of ya'll, and ACORN could be pushing their local candidates heavier...
>
> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html
>>
>> Rob;
>>
>> Rather than start a new thread I thought I would give you a link to my
>> favorite NYTimes Columnist which explains the shift of Republicans like me
>> to Sen. Obama. It's more than personalities, it's the entire GOP shift out
>> of the center. I also thought Frank Rich's column this past Sunday was
>> just
>> exactly right. Check it out.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob Lowe wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Oh, sure. Most organizations do. But it does give another side to the
>>> story. - rob
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank
>>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:26 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political - McCain, Me First
>>>
>>> OK, it's from rolling stone. Not the most unbiased news source out
>>> there.
>>> They are putting their spin and views on it.
>>>
>>> Hank
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> A rather long read if you are interested. What I found most
>>>>
>>>>
>>> interesting
>>>
>>>
>>>> is the Me First attitude this article attributes to McCain. - rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_re
>>>
>>> al_john_mccain/page/1<http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/
make_b
>>> elieve_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 30
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:51:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Yawl for Ben
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Hi, Mike,
Thanks for your kind words...photographing the race ...130 boats!.....was really
a challenge with the boat pitching in the waves & wind & spray....loads of fun.
If you can't sail in a race, then being in the middle of it w/ a camera is the
next best thing....;^). I did chicken out, tho' and switch from A Priority back
& forth to Auto...the boats were really booking..the burst mode was a boon for
those photos as I could be sure at least one would be framed pleasingly.
Re the vignetting: I had neglected to remove the daylight filter from the lens
before putting the circular polarizer on...hence the vignetting. That will be
easy enuf to remove.
I'm really
undecided about using any filters at all...the sensor doesn't seem to
like them, even having just a daylight filter to protect the front of the lens
reduces sharpness...That's a trial for another day. If I'd thought to raise the
ISO from 100 I might have had different results.....
One sweet thing about this lens I'm using...(the Nikkor 18-200 VR)...it has two
VR settings...one to compensate for handheld camera shake, and a second setting
to use when the shooting platform is moving. It works!
I'll post some more here and after next week to my site. this weekend I'm doing
a nature photography workshop in Leesburg with a noted wildlife photographer.
Hope to have some nice stuff to post when I return.
Picture #2 (1211) is one of the classes at the start. The committee boat is on
the right.
More tomorrow...Gaff rigger coming up.
elle
> >
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Message: 31
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:13:38 -0500
From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tax Question reply for Ben S...
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Ed,
I've been out flying for the last few days. Judging by the number of
people partying on the Riverwalk in San Antonio, the economy's doing
fine.
Ben is mostly correct, most small business income flows directly
through the owners tax return. The Obama bullseye is on those makin
g
over $250,000 per year. That sounds like a lot of money to some
people but it really isn't. We've been down this road before with
Jimmy Carter and luxury taxes. It will be 10 times worse under Obama.
The proper description is INCOME REDISTRIBUTION! That's what the
whole guys career has been about when he wasn't directing public money
to his friends private businesses. I still can't believe people are
stupid enough to believe this crap, but then again, there are lots of
stupid people in the world. You can't give 95% of wage earners a tax
cut when the bottom 40% don't pay federal income taxes. What he
doesn't say in the fine print is that low income people will get a
check. In some parts of the country we have a name for that, it's
called WELFARE. In other parts it is called "fairness". Call it what
you want, it is income redistribution.
Raising the capital gains rate will be economic suicide. We could
eliminate our current "flight of capital" issues by suspending the
capital gains tax altogether for a few years. This whole candidacy of
Obama has been wishful thinking. Who really knows what the guy will
do? He's hung around Marxists his entire life, you can bet most
decisions will have a Marxist patina to them.
Frankly, I'm not too worried. One, his getting elected is not a sure
thing. Two, if elected, his Chicago shenanigans can't be kept hidden
forever. Remember this name - State Street Bank. I'm guessing that
will be the smoking gun. Three, even if he dodges impeachment, he'll
only serve one term. Four, I'll move much of my money overseas, so
will lots of others. That's not very patriotic but necessary.
I remember selling airplanes during the Carter administration with
high inflation, ultra-high interest rates, and high marginal tax
rates. You could put together some pretty creative (read stupid) tax
deals with a buyer that would make an airplane positive cash flow for
the first year. It was counter-productive in the long run for the
economy but you did what you had to do. Some people a
re too young to
remember those years, others are just dumb.
Brad
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> All that you said sounds good, but Obama is saying that he will cut capital
> gains taxes to small businesses. So if you in the 95 % how is he going do
> that, Voodoo? (Wasn't that a term some time back?)
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> Addendum for Andrew:
> Negative advertising
> By Thomas Sowell
>
> One of the oldest phenomena of American elections? criticism of one's
> opponent? has in recent times been stigmatized by much of the media as
> "negative advertising."
>
> Is this because the criticism has gotten more vicious or more personal? You
> might think so, if you were totally ignorant of history, as so many of the
> graduates of even our elite universities are.
>
> Although Grover Cleveland was elected President twice, he had to overcome a
> major scandal that he had fathered a child out of wedlock, which was
> considered more of a disgrace then than today. Even giants like Lincoln and
> Jefferson were called names that neither McCain nor Obama has been called.
>
> Why then is "negative advertising" such a big deal these days? The dirty
> little secret is this: Liberal candidates have needed to escape their past
> and pretend that they are not liberals, because so many voters have had it
> with liberals.
>
> In 1988, Governor Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts called himself a
> "technocrat," a pragmatic solver of problems, despite a classic liberal
> track record of big spending, big taxes, and policies that were
> anti-business and pro-criminal.
>
> When the truth about what he actually did as governor was brought out during
> the Presidential election campaign, the media were duly shocked? not by
> Dukakis' record, but by the Republicans' exposing his record.
>
> John Kerry, with a very similar ultra-liberal record, topped off by
> inflammatory and unsubstantiated attacks on American military men in
> Vietnam, disdained the whole process of labeling a
s something unworthy. And
> the mainstream media closed ranks around him as well, deploring those who
> labeled Kerry a liberal.
>
> Barack Obama is much smoother. Instead of issuing explicit denials, he gives
> speeches that sound so moderate, so nuanced and so lofty that even some
> conservative Republicans go for them. How could anyone believe that such a
> man is the very opposite of what he claims to be? unless they check out the
> record of what he has actually done?
>
> In words, Obama is a uniter instead of a divider. In deeds, he has spent
> years promoting polarization. That is what a "community organizer" does,
> creating a sense of grievance, envy and resentment, in order to mobilize
> political action to get more of the taxpayers' money or to force banks to
> lend to people they don't consider good risks, as the community organizing
> group ACORN did.
>
> After Barack Obama moved beyond the role of a community organizer, he
> promoted the same polarization in his other roles.
>
> That is what he did when he spent the money of the Woods Fund bankrolling
> programs to spread the politics of grievance and resentment into the
> schools. That is what he did when he spent the taxpayers' money bankrolling
> the grievance and resentment ideology of Michael Pfleger.
>
> When Barack Obama donated $20,000 to Jeremiah Wright, does anyone imagine
> that he was unaware that Wright was the epitome of grievance, envy and
> resentment hype? Or were Wright's sermons too subtle for Obama to pick up
> that message?
>
> How subtle is "G-d damn America!"?
>
> Yet those in the media who deplore "negative advertising" regard it as
> unseemly to dig up ugly facts instead of sticking to the beautiful rhetoric
> of an election year. The oft-repeated mantra is that we should trick to the
> "real issues."
>
> What are called "the real issues" are election-year talking points, while
> the actual track record of the candidates is treated as a distraction? and
> somehow an unworthy distraction.
>
> Does anyone in real life put mor
e faith in what people say than in what they
> do? A few gullible people do? and they often get deceived and defrauded big
> time.
>
> Barack Obama has carried election-year makeovers to a new high, presenting
> himself a uniter of people, someone reaching across the partisan divide and
> the racial divide? after decades of promoting polarization in each of his
> successive roles and each of his choices of political allies.
>
> Yet the media treat exposing a fraudulent election-year image as far worse
> than letting someone acquire the powers of the highest office in the land
> through sheer deception
>
>
> benonvelvetelvis wrote:
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> The only businesses who pay an income tax (including capital gains) are
>> C-corps. Very, very few "small businesses" are incorporated as C-corps.
>> Probably 95+% of us are LLCs, LLPs or S-Corps, which means a variety of
>> things, one of which is that we take the business's bottom line profit,
>> and
>> add that number to our personal income tax. That's a really simplified
>> explanation, but it's basically how it works.
>>
>> So all that blather about small business taxes is political bunk. It
>> affects almost no real small businesses. If they were going to change
>> employment taxes or property taxes or sales taxes, they could make a
>> difference to the small business owner, but income -- doesn't really
>> matter
>> too much.
>>
>> Speaking of finance, I caught wind that there was a bit of a market
>> rebound
>> today. I might be able to retire some day after all.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ben
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Tootle
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:43 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tax Question for Brad
>>
>>
>> Brad,
>>
>> Obama is proposing reducing capital gains taxes on small businesses. Is
>> there any capital gains involved in your construction company? Inquiring
>> minds want to know about your capital g
ains.
>>
>> Ed K
>> Greenville, SC, USA
>> Andrew please note no attachment nor addendum for you this time.
>> --
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