[Rhodes22-list] Now whisker pole recommendation and adjustments & victory.

Peter Thorn pthorn at nc.rr.com
Tue Oct 14 15:42:58 EDT 2008


Lee,

Two weeks ago in Oriental NC at the Solo Race we poled out downwind in no
air and also hit a blazing 1.5 knots with the 155 and IMF w&w.  A standard
main would have been nice then.  However this was fast enough to ghost past
an S2 9.2a and J80.  At 8 miles we reached leeward mark at Adams Creek, when
the seabreeze filled.   Then, the 10,000# S2 and sleek J80 left me in their
wake and took off like the upwind machines they are.  

PT  

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Leland
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:27 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now whisker pole recommendation and adjustments
& victory.


It's kind of like taking an umbrella with you so it won't rain.  I bought
the
pole for downwind runs in light wind and since then I've had nothing but
good wind.  Sunday evening my prayers were answered--the wind couldn't have
been crappier.

Wing-on-wing with the 175 Genoa I was flying downwind at about 1.8 knots.  I
caught up to and screamed pass a friend of mine on his 30' Freedom who
claimed he was doing 1.6 knots while I was passing him, but I think he might
have been exaggerating a little.  I furled away the main and he still never
gained on me.

Back at the marina he invited me on his boat for a drink.  When I asked what
he had (like I'm picky) he said nothing but Mt. Gay rum and regular Coke. 
How appropriate.  It never tasted so good.  Don't know if it was the lime
juice he added to it or the taste of victory.  Probably both.

Lee


R22RumRunner wrote:
> 
> Lee,
>  
> After using the whisker pole a couple of times you will find that there
> are  
> roughly three lengths on the extension that you will use. I took a
> permanent  
> marker and placed lines on the pole so I know how far to extend the pole
> for 
> the  angle I'm sailing at. You can also adjust the length of the pole by
> using  
> different attachment points. I've also found over the years that Mt. Gay
> rum 
> is  a wonderful lubricant. Hope this helps. 
>  
> Rummy
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:26:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> R22RumRunner at aol.com writes:
> 
> Lee,
> You have the right idea. Never try to do anything to difficult  on the  
> Rhodes 
> unless you have had sufficient lubricant to ease the  brain pain. What 
> works 
> well for one sailor  won't necessarily  work for another. Trial and  error
> my 
> friend.  
> 
> Rummy
> 
> 
> In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:12:26 A.M. Eastern  Daylight Time,  
> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
> 
> 
> Rummy, Mary Lou and  other whisker users:
> 
> I went out and  bought Rummy's recommended  pole.  If I break it I might
> consider a  better pole, but I'm  much more likely to lose it overboard. 
> I
> like  Rummy's idea of  hooking it to a shroud instead of the mast.  I'm  a
> little  concerned about damaging the shroud, but if Rummy's   extreme
> bury-the-bow sailing doesn't break anything, I doubt that my  light  wind
> runs
> will.
> 
> I'll probably figure this out through  trial and  error, but it's easier
> and
> safer to ask you experts.   If I'm  singlehandling in light winds on a run
> and
> want to attach the  whisker pole  to the 175% Genoa, do I lengthen the
> pole to
> the desired  size; then pull  the Genoa clew back to the cockpit; then
> insert
> the  pole into the clew;  then try to keep tension on the pole and sail 
> while
> I slowly release the  sheet while walking the clamp end of the  pole to
> the
> shroud?
> 
> Even in  light winds with the tiller  locked, this seems a little awkward
> in
> my  mind.  An alternative  would be to set the sail and try to hit the 
> hole
> with the pole from  12 feet away.  I don't think I could do that  sober.
> 
> Any  advice on anything related to my new toy would be  helpful.   Thanks!
> 
> Lee
> 
> 
> 
> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>  
>>  Lee,
>> Captain Keller and I both use the Forespar small twist  lock  pole that 
> goes 
> 
>> from 6 to 12 feet. It has a snap lock on  one  end (boat end) and a spike
>> on
>> the  
>> sail end. It is   relatively inexpensive so if you lose it overboard or
>> happen  
>>  to  break it the pain of replacing it won't be so great.  
>>  Forespar part # 406000
>> WM part # 111179
>> Back  when I bought  mine they were around $125.00. Now they are closer 
>> to 
>  
>> $150.00,  but it really is a worthwhile expenditure.  Everyone knows I
>> don't
>>  go  
>> for the gadgets because  they either break or are in the way,  but this
>> is
>> one   
>> piece of hardware I use a lot. It will  store nicely in the  storage
>> compartments  
>> on either side  of the V  berth.
>> I placed a hook on the front of the mast, but have  never  used it. I
>> usually  
>> attach it to a lower part of a   shroud which is more easily accessible
>> from
>> the 
>>   cockpit  when under sail. I find it to be fun to experiment with.  It
>>  really  
>> stretches out the 175 and makes it an  awesome sight  going wing on wing.
>> Try 
>> that  in 10  mile an hour winds  and you will understand what extreme
>> sailing  is 
>> all   about. I have actually buried the bow before I was  able to release

>>  everything  and turn upwind. Washed the  decks clean and even cleaned 
>> the
>> carpet in 
>> the   cabin. :) 
>>  
>>  Rummy
>>  
>>   
>> In a message dated 9/22/2008  1:39:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time,  
>> LKUHN at cnmc.org  writes:
>> 
>>  Rummy,
>> 
>> Last week I sent an email to  Stan for some  parts.  I  also asked him if

> he 
>> had a used  whisker  pole lying around.
>> 
>> Assuming he  doesn't have an   old one, do you have any recommendations
>> on
>> what 
>> pole   works  well with the  Rhodes?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>>   
>> Lee
>> 
>> ________________________________
>>   
>> From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com   [mailto:R22RumRunner at aol.com]
>> Sent: Mon 9/22/2008  11:33   AM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re:   [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing Problem
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>  Lee,
>> With a whisker pole you could have  left the  full 175 genny  out and 
> really 
>> had a ride going wing on   wing.
>> 
>>  Rummy
>> 
>> 
>> In a message  dated 9/22/2008 11:08:26  A.M.  Eastern Daylight Time, 
>>  LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>>  
>> Paul,
>> 
>>  Don't  know if this helps but on Saturday  I went out   single-handed
>> with 
>> the
>> winds very consistent  at about  10 to 10.5  knots.
>> 
>> Board  down, traveler   centered, full main, poptop up, sheets  between 
>>  inner
>>  and outer shrouds across the deck, Genoa furled just past  the    outer
>> shroud 
>> to
>> about 115%.   Tiller locked in  the center.   Heel  between 10 and  15
>> degrees. 
>>  Body weight mostly on windward   seat.   Chop was only a little  more
>> than 
> a 
>> foot.  
>> Speed was  consistent at just   above 4 knots.   Tacked and after
>> recovery  
>> there
>>  was a 90  degree  difference on the compass, which would be  exactly  
>> 45
>> degrees
>> into the  wind.  By that calculation  I  could  have been doing 40
>> degrees
>> on
>> one  tack  and  50 degrees on the other  but it's doubtful.   Heel was
>>  slightly 
>> more
>> on  the starboard  tack  due to the  weight of the motor.
>> 
>> I was a  little  surprised that  the  boat would do that well with  the
>> poptop
>> up, boom up,  and  without the   sheets being ran across the poptop
>> between
>>  the
>> mast and  inner   shroud.  I still believe that in  the right  conditions

> the 
>> boat
>> will  do  better than  40  degrees, although I don't know how much speed
>> would 
>>   be  
>> lost.
>> 
>> Decided to complete the triangle   and&  sail back to the  marina 
>> entrance 
> on
>> a
>>  run with the  wind and waves directly behind  me.  Furled  in  the Genoa

> and
>> released the boom so it was just   touching the shrouds.   The  
> loose-footed 
>> main  was
>> still pulled  flat tight  and the inner shroud  protruded  into the sail.

>> Not
>>  exactly  optimal sail shape for the  point-of-sail.  Pulled up    the 
>> centerboard. 
>> Speed was about 5 knots,  but I  think  the waves  helped a lot.  Sailing
>> with
>>  just the main  is  certainly an easy  means of sailing with the  wind. 
>>  Tiller
>> again was  locked to the  center  and my weight was  balanced in the
>> center
>> of 
>> the  
>> boat.
>> 
>>  Had  time to do another triangle so  I tried it with the exact  same   
>> conditions
>>  but with the centerboard  up.  Compass reading difference   was  98
>> degrees
>>  and
>> speed picked up about 0.3  knots.  Heeled  increased  but  less than 5
>>  degrees.
>> 
>> On a scale of 1 to 10,  I hate  to rate  anthing a  10, so I'll give the
>>  sailing
>> conditions  on Saturday  a   9.9.
>>  
>> Lee
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   ________________________________
>> 
>> From:   Alan   Robertson [mailto:bigal_61 at msn.com]
>> Sent: Sun 9/21/2008   10:11   PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject:  Re:  [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing  Problem
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> I realize that you sail a lot single  handed; we  don't.   The only time
>> we
>> can
>> point up closer is to  run the  jib  sheets inside of the  outmost
>> shrouds,
>>  sit
>> any "friendly"  guests  over 150 lbs. on the windward  side  with life 
>>  preservers
>> buckled and  get  THOR IV over on a nice 12-15 degree  heel.  Anything
>> more
>>  or
>> any  weight on the leeward  side means a mop-up job if  the  non-sailors
>> have  
>>  just
>> had  lunch!
>> Bigal_61 at msn.com
>> 
>> -----  Original   Message  -----
>> From: Paul     Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
>> To:     rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>   Sent:  Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
>> Subject:   [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing  Problem
>> 
>> 
>> I  love  the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all  points of  sail  except
>> when  
> it
>> is
>> close hauled.
>> In my   narrow harbor,  being  able to point close to the wind is the   
>>  difference
>> between returning  home in 30 minutes  versus 3   hours.
>> 
>> Now I'm not asking to be  able  to be 30 degrees  off the  wind like
>> those
>>  two
>> guys racing around in  a  catamaran with no   seating and two angled
>>  standing
>> platforms, and  like  members of the  Joffrey  Ballet, gracefully 
>> leaping
>> from
>> one side to  the  other,  making  smooth and instantaneous tacks and
>>  traveling
>> at 15   knots (no  exaggeration).
>> (P.S.  What is that  thing?)
>> 
>> But it  would  be nice to make  90  degree rather than 110 or 120 degree 
>> tacks.
>> 
>>  Stan  put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in  which  the

>> jib
>> sheets travel either inside one or two of  the  shrouds.  But the  sail
>> area
>> is
>> so much  smaller with  the new system that making  headway  is 
>> difficult.
>> 
>>  Furling the genoa jib 50% with the  sheets  on their  normal path 
>> outside
>> the
>>  shrouds seems to be the best  compromise,  but  I'm still 50-60  degrees

> off
>> the
>> wind.
>>  
>> I   tried  tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib  luff. The jib

>> looks
>> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the   wind.
>> 
>> And yes,  the  centerboard is  down.
>>  
>> What works for you?
>> 
>>  Paul   K
>>  "Clarity"
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