[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL: conservative talk show host endorses Obama

[petelargo]

thanks herb. thats what I thought. you made my point for me. I have
continuously been posting that the repub party has lost it's bearings. there
is a phenomena occurring. pay attention.


hparsons wrote:
> 
> What is the point Pete?
> 
> I don't base my choice on the choice of others. I answered your 
> question, you wont' answer mine. Hell, you can't even get your facts 
> correct.
> 
> 
> petelargo wrote:
>> ok herb. i'll lower the bar all the way down. find me couple of notable
>> and
>> known liberals voting for mccain. post the links of their endorsements.  
>>
>>
>> hparsons wrote:
>>   
>>> Let's look at your statement a bit. I say "your statement" because you 
>>> didn't read their article closely enough, and missed a few things.
>>>
>>> While it's true that the paper has been in existence for over 150 years, 
>>> their first endorsement for a Republican presidential nominee was in 
>>> 1860 for Abraham Lincoln. That was 148 years ago, not "over 150 years".
>>>
>>> While it's also true that they've never endorsed a Democrat for 
>>> President, it's NOT true that they've "consecutively and continuously" 
>>> endorsed Republicans.
>>>
>>> First of all, they've endorsed MANY Democratic candidates for other 
>>> offices, including Barak Obama for senator.
>>>
>>> Even in the presidential elections, they have not "consecutively and 
>>> continuously" endorsed Republicans.
>>>
>>> First of all, they endorsed Horace Greeley in 1872, who was a member of 
>>> the "Liberal Republican Party". That was NOT the Republican party, in 
>>> fact he ran against Republican Ulysses S Grant. He was nominated by the 
>>> new party, and subsequently endorsed by the Democratic party. That would 
>>> be pretty close to the paper endorsing a Democrat, but it's definitely 
>>> NOT the paper endorsing the Republican candidate, who was Grant.
>>>
>>> Greeley lost.
>>>
>>> In 1912, the paper endorsed Theodore Roosevelt who ran against 
>>> Republican William Taft and Democrat Woodrow Wilson.
>>>
>>> Roosevelt lost.
>>>
>>> Your facts are wrong. You probably ought to curb your excitement a bit, 
>>> ignore the tingle up your leg, and get a little more informed.
>>>
>>> But, there are other underlying facts as well...
>>>
>>> Last year the paper was part of a leveraged buyout, and is now under new 
>>> ownership. The new owner contributes to both parties heavily (and more 
>>> to Republicans than Democrats), but he is a businessman, and the 
>>> newspaper is a business that his having problems. Obama is a widely 
>>> popular candidate in Chicago, and will take his state without a doubt. I 
>>> suspect that the paper's motive might have a little to do with trying to 
>>> sell papers, but that's just a guess.
>>>
>>> To answer your question, I don't know of a paper that fits your 
>>> description, so don't bother waiting. However, I'm wondering how long 
>>> you're going to keep ME waiting for the question I've continued to ask.
>>>
>>> What's your point?
>>>
>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Here you go 'Last-Word-Herb'. The Chicago Tribune has just endorsed
>>>> obama
>>>> after over 150 years of consecutively and continuously endorsing
>>>> republicans. Find a newspaper that has endorsed a democratic nominee
>>>> for
>>>> president for 150 years in a row and is now endorsing McCain. Try not
>>>> to
>>>> keep me waiting as long as katie couric has been waiting for sister
>>>> sarah
>>>> to
>>>> get back to her on all those examples of mccains regulatory history. 
>>>>
>>>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-tribune-endorsementoct18,0,3250801.story
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>       
>>>>> Pete,
>>>>>
>>>>> I really don't understand your point on the constant harping on 
>>>>> "conservatives" that are voting for a far left wing liberal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is your point that some folks are crossing over? If so, trust me, we
>>>>> all 
>>>>> some are, both directions. LOTS of libs voting for McCain as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is your point that you suddenly respect the opinion of conservatives?
>>>>> If 
>>>>> so, you probably need to know, there are more conservatives that are 
>>>>> voting for McCain than Obama. I'll be happy to give you a list of some 
>>>>> of the better known names, if you're that easily swayed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect the REAL reason though, is that the only opinions that
>>>>> matter 
>>>>> are those that match yours, and then you suddenly believe that makes
>>>>> it 
>>>>> "noteworthy". Trust me, it's not.
>>>>> ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>> On his talk show on WPHT today, conservative Philadelphian Michael
>>>>>> Smerconish
>>>>>> endorsed Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. Smerconish did so by reading a
>>>>>> couple
>>>>>> paragraphs from his pending op-ed in the Philadelphia Inquirer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I've decided," he said. "My conclusion comes after reading the
>>>>>> candidates'
>>>>>> memoirs and campaign platforms, attending both party conventions,
>>>>>> interviewing both men multiple times, and watching all primary and
>>>>>> general
>>>>>>           
>>>>>> election debates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John McCain is an honorable man who has served his country well. But
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> will not get my vote. For the first time since registering as a
>>>>>> Republican
>>>>>> 28 years ago, I'm voting for a Democrat for president.
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>           
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